Match Resetting

[MooseEatsBear]

Why is it legal to reset a match when someone is definitely going to lose? No matter what, I think it should be a forfeit. Like here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMpYZlP_Ex0&videos=uK17acHTR3U at 3:33. It's more abundant in Melee matches, but I can't find the clip I'm thinking of.

I just have a major problem with it. Anyone else?

Edit: Found the Melee Match: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB93VvGTou0

 

[SDC]

These threads are always pointless.

Some people do it because they just like to save the two seconds.

Other people hate it because they either like seeing the character winning screen, or are fundamentally opposed to ending the match until it's really definitely over.

Nothin ever gets accomplished in this discussion, nobody ever changes their mind: some people don't care about it and some people hate it, and that's just the way it is.

/thread

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

I do it sometimes when i lose. Mostly its like saying "I saw that kill move coming but i had no way of getting around it". I always laugh and say gg after. Its just another way to end the match, keep and open mind.

 

[Vyzor]

These threads are always pointless.

Some people do it because they just like to save the two seconds.

Other people hate it because they either like seeing the character winning screen, or are fundamentally opposed to ending the match until it's really definitely over.

Nothin ever gets accomplished in this discussion, nobody ever changes their mind: some people don't care about it and some people hate it, and that's just the way it is.

/thread

this man speaks the truth. this is going to be a pointless debate thread. inb4 someone saying another persons opinion is dumb.

 

[Kason Birdman]

yeah lets just get it over with and turn it into some stupid debate about the europeans.

it will happen.

actually just get ICG in here and he can decide what we will debate about. his ideas are always fresh.

 

[Vyzor]

yeah lets just get it over with and turn it into some stupid debate about the europeans.

it will happen.

actually just get ICG in here and he can decide what we will debate about. his ideas are always fresh.

dayum, europeans r so gaey LOLOL nobody r bettar than teh americuh! ROFL /sarcasm. Both places and such are good amirite?

 

[Kason Birdman]

yeah but i think we can agree that canada poops on all


edit: jk

 

[Vyzor]

yeah but i think we can agree that canada poops on all


edit: canada wrecks *****es. no jokes

fixed

:3

 

[Melomaniacal]

This just in: Europe is a country.

 

[Vyzor]

This just in: Europe is a country.

oh I see you noticed my fail lol.

 

[Zatchiel]

I don't even pause the game outside of friendlies, but resetting doesn't find it's use in tourney matches, i'll say :V
Yes, in friendlies, it's always good for a laugh when you reset right before you die from a three stock, but that's about it :l

 

[mastermoo420]

Uhhh, IIRC, resetting the match, unless both parties agree, means it's your loss. So... it's a legal way of ending a match, lol. If you have a problem with it, then that's your fault. People might have a problem with NOT resetting. It's all preference.

 

[Quic]

Seriously, this comes up every month or so.
it's just a ragequit, they lose, you win, they were frustrated/wanted to save time.

 

[mastermoo420]

it's just a ragequit, they lose, you win, they were frustrated/wanted to save time.

Hold ALT and press Q twice!

 

[LLDL]

If you are about to lose, it is fine to reset the game if it is obvious you were flying out of bounds. But if you are flying away and your opponent resets, that is his forfeit because he has no idea if you could have returned to the stage with your beast di or not

 

[DRD]

I'm fine with match resetting if its obvious that one side will lose (i.e., they are flying out of bounds at high speed), but in other cases it's kind of disappointing cause stuff could have turned the match around.

I was watching a match between hbox and PP; hungry rested and missed, his last stock, pretty high percent, and then one of them reset the match. That was fine when I watched it cause it was obvious PP was going to fsmash for the kill, but Hugs had some nice points to make in the comments. If someone gets over-happy about their free kill, its possible they might mess up their smash and instead do a tilt. Maybe PP smashes with c-stick, maybe not. That's not the point. If there is any chance something could happen, it should be given the chance to happen. Here's the match: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dNLuwhoe7I&fmt=5

 

[JPOBS]

I'm fine with match resetting if its obvious that one side will lose (i.e., they are flying out of bounds at high speed), but in other cases it's kind of disappointing cause stuff could have turned the match around.

I was watching a match between hbox and PP; hungry rested and missed, his last stock, pretty high percent, and then one of them reset the match. That was fine when I watched it cause it was obvious PP was going to fsmash for the kill, but Hugs had some nice points to make in the comments. If someone gets over-happy about their free kill, its possible they might mess up their smash and instead do a tilt. Maybe PP smashes with c-stick, maybe not. That's not the point. If there is any chance something could happen, it should be given the chance to happen. Here's the match: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dNLuwhoe7I&fmt=5

in regards to this, its probable that hbox quit out because he has honor

sure it goes against the "playing to win" attitude and something might have happened (pp messing up) that might give hbox another chance to win
but some people dont care to win that way. Hbox knew that for all intents and purposes he had lost the match right there.

 

[cjugs]

It annoys me but then i turn pause off and laugh at them

 

[Radiowar]

for what it's worth, the examples the op listed were of the winner quitting, not the loser. i don't think he's saying that quitting should be illegal, but that it should count as forfeiting the match, ie. it should be the loser's decision.

 

[xbombr]

If you are about to lose, it is fine to reset the game if it is obvious you were flying out of bounds. But if you are flying away and your opponent resets, that is his forfeit because he has no idea if you could have returned to the stage with your beast di or not

I would sig this if it wasn't in size 64+ font and required MASSIVE SCROLLING to read.

 

[Eggm]

It should be a forfeit always. That way its like chain-ace said if the loser wants to do it when he knows he lost he can forfeit his chance of random amazingness happening and he lives. If the winner does it even if its clear the other guy "already lost" they should lose just for being disrespectful. To me thats the equivalent to saying "gg" before your opponent in SC.

 

[Zatchiel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq0mREueN_0&feature=related

You can find the same thing in this video, is just to save time when you're loss is immanent or for fun.

 

[S l o X]

lol only m2k rage quits for the opponent

and if someone did it to me in tourney i'd QQ

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

It should be a forfeit always. That way its like chain-ace said if the loser wants to do it when he knows he lost he can forfeit his chance of random amazingness happening and he lives. If the winner does it even if its clear the other guy "already lost" they should lose just for being disrespectful. To me thats the equivalent to saying "gg" before your opponent in SC.

Saying "gg" first is disrespectful, but isn't it also disrespectful to not say "gg"? Someone quitting for their opponent on the last frame or 2 before the game ended would be equivalent to saying "gg" just before you destroyed the last building in SC.

 

[Tamoo]

THIS is why people shouldn't match reset:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL1OMB4bPZU
Skip to about 3mins, pretty boring standard match
This was probably the most bs set of my life. The mario clearly thought my fair would kill him so went to match reset (it may look like I paused but it clearly says player 4 paused it on the screen). Realising that he may of survived, he unpaused it without notice and proceeded to recover, from a situation that all i needed to do was grab the edge but couldn't because i really wasn't set for the unpause. I still go on to win but it was marginal in the end, and a trade of hits at the end could have finished it.
Not only this, but the win put me 2-0 up, which should put me through right? Nope, everyone was insisting that it was a BO5 match even though it was losers quarters, so i went on to lose the set.
AND this was all in front of the TO, who was giving the player advice during the matches, not even in between but during.
If you're reading this fuzzy, this ****ing sucked!

/rant lol

tl;dr: If you're gonna match reset, bloody follow through with it, and TOs need to be stricter on enforcing this

 

[mastermoo420]

Just switch to Captain Falcon and do neutral-B to him IRL.

 

[phanna]

Ragequit plz n00b lol u died no johns

A lot of misguided answers, a lot of overly correct answers. To add to the latter:

1. Losers can reset a match as a forfeit, to save time if they're about to lose, or if it's something they just like to do, or if it's halfway through the match and they feel like getting some ice cream. It's their forfeit.
2. Winners can reset the match, which is fine, unless either their opponent is just a huge crybaby, or they clearly messed up and the other person wasn't 110% dead (I've never ever seen this happen with the good people I play with or around who will quit to save time on an obvious loss)

 

[Metal Reeper]

These threads are always pointless.

Some people do it because they just like to save the two seconds.

Other people hate it because they either like seeing the character winning screen, or are fundamentally opposed to ending the match until it's really definitely over.

Nothin ever gets accomplished in this discussion, nobody ever changes their mind: some people don't care about it and some people hate it, and that's just the way it is.

/thread

I agree, also the vid with chain ace vs m2k, m2k is so mean! sick ending.

 

[The Good Doctor]

Ragequit plz n00b lol u died no johns

A lot of misguided answers, a lot of overly correct answers. To add to the latter:

1. Losers can reset a match as a forfeit, to save time if they're about to lose, or if it's something they just like to do, or if it's halfway through the match and they feel like getting some ice cream. It's their forfeit.
2. Winners can reset the match, which is fine, unless either their opponent is just a huge crybaby, or they clearly messed up and the other person wasn't 110% dead (I've never ever seen this happen with the good people I play with or around who will quit to save time on an obvious loss)

100% in agreement

 

[Yung Mei]

why these two havent been mentioned yet, i dont even know. what the **** guys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Oga1I6Fro#t=5m20s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pTVhtIawbQ#t=2m33s


i think they should add a misconduct rule or something. I mean raeg quitting is one thing, but throwing your controller? i mean really.

 

[rhan]

Rage quitting makes a match a lot faster. If everyone just rage quitted on an obvious loss, tourney would end a lot sooner and be a lot more time consuming.

Edit: Also inb4lock

 

[BlueSamsara]

why these two havent been mentioned yet, i dont even know. what the **** guys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Oga1I6Fro#t=5m20s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pTVhtIawbQ#t=2m33s


i think they should add a misconduct rule or something. I mean raeg quitting is one thing, but throwing your controller? i mean really.

That was a while ago. Wobbles wrote on the boards and on his blog and on videos and on everything else you could imagine about how sorry he was and how bad a day he was having. Get off his back a bit. :/ I think that kind of stuff is too situational to rule out.

 

[Yung Mei]

That was a while ago. Wobbles wrote on the boards and on his blog and on videos and on everything else you could imagine about how sorry he was and how bad a day he was having. Get off his back a bit. :/ I think that kind of stuff is too situational to rule out.

goddammit, my eyes suck, i could barely read your text

at any rate, im not picking on him or anything, but thats still kind of dumb, throwing a controller because you lost

at a school tourney i went to once, this kid lost and threw his controller. almost hit a girl in the face. throwing a controller, although it sounds comical, is actually pretty dangerous, so why you would throw one in the first place is really ****ing stupid

 

[BlueSamsara]

goddammit, my eyes suck, i could barely read your text

at any rate, im not picking on him or anything, but thats still kind of dumb, throwing a controller because you lost

at a school tourney i went to once, this kid lost and threw his controller. almost hit a girl in the face. throwing a controller, although it sounds comical, is actually pretty dangerous, so why you would throw one in the first place is really ****ing stupid

Lolll
I'll stop using it for the sake of the community.
Wobbles threw it on the ground right below him. Still, a silly waste of money.
BUT YEAH

 

[MooseEatsBear]

1. Losers can reset a match as a forfeit, to save time if they're about to lose, or if it's something they just like to do, or if it's halfway through the match and they feel like getting some ice cream. It's their forfeit.
2. Winners can reset the match, which is fine, unless either their opponent is just a huge crybaby, or they clearly messed up and the other person wasn't 110% dead (I've never ever seen this happen with the good people I play with or around who will quit to save time on an obvious loss)

I think 2 should apply more to "If the winner's opponent agrees with it".

 

[Masmasher@]

i dont get why a winner would reset the match
dont you want to see your opponent go down in a shining white flash of oblivion
i had a friend who had the computer near him. when he lost he kicked it lmao
its a reaction he cant control
throwing your controller...they could treat it like crews lose a stock next match









am i trolling yet cause thats a obviously stupid idea

 

[THeDarKnesS]

in regards to this, its probable that hbox quit out because he has honor

sure it goes against the "playing to win" attitude and something might have happened (pp messing up) that might give hbox another chance to win
but some people dont care to win that way. Hbox knew that for all intents and purposes he had lost the match right there.

If you are about to lose, it is fine to reset the game if it is obvious you were flying out of bounds. But if you are flying away and your opponent resets, that is his forfeit because he has no idea if you could have returned to the stage with your beast di or not

Nope. You gotta win in order to win.

 

[KAOSTAR]

The way it actually works in most competitive games. When the other player/team can no longer win, the match is over. This excludes the possibility of a tie.

If there was a chance the other player could have lost by SDing or something then resetting is a definitive forfeit. That's why its usually done by the loser. The winner should never pause and reset a match because they knew they were going to win.

There is a time factor such as how long it takes to walk off the stage and die off the bottom and re-spawn multiplied by how many stocks you have remaining. Such as in football a team doesnt have to run final plays because they are legally allowed to wait x amount of seconds b4 starting the play. It it takes 3 seconds to re-spawn and you get 2-4 seconds of invincibility+it takes 3 seconds to die. You could technically say a match is over when the clock reaches a certain point because even if you unplugged your controller they would not be able to kill you fast enough. (depends on stock count, stage, characters, percent)

If you "win" and reset, the other player can easily call that a forfeit.

So in short, you guys are wrong.

 

[The Good Doctor]

The way it actually works in most competitive games. When the other player/team can no longer win, the match is over. This excludes the possibility of a tie.

If there was a chance the other player could have lost by SDing or something then resetting is a definitive forfeit. That's why its usually done by the loser. The winner should never pause and reset a match because they knew they were going to win.

There is a time factor such as how long it takes to walk off the stage and die off the bottom and re-spawn multiplied by how many stocks you have remaining. Such as in football a team doesnt have to run final plays because they are legally allowed to wait x amount of seconds b4 starting the play. It it takes 3 seconds to re-spawn and you get 2-4 seconds of invincibility+it takes 3 seconds to die. You could technically say a match is over when the clock reaches a certain point because even if you unplugged your controller they would not be able to kill you fast enough. (depends on stock count, stage, characters, percent)

If you "win" and reset, the other player can easily call that a forfeit.

So in short, you guys are wrong.

Nah, you're just over thinking things....

 

[mastermoo420]

Or you're just under-thinking things. >_> Your argument doesn't work here. You need two apples before you can tackle an orange.