Mass Effect series discussion

[Master Xanthan]

I just bought a set or two to get a trophy for buying sets lol.

Turns out, the whole game, I just ended up using the Mantis. The Viper wasn't what it used to be in ME2. The Widow was way too heavy along with the Javelin. Didn't buy the Black Widow. The other two had way too low of damage for my tactics.

There should be an option to choose in the skill tree that makes weapons lighter (depending on the class you chose). By choosing this using heavier sniper rifles such as the Widow or Black Widow will be worth using.

 

[theeboredone]

It was either the Mantis or the Viper for my playthrough.

Which one allowed multiple shots? It was one of those. I think the Viper.

That would be the Viper. Mantis gives you one shot, but I had upgraded it to the point that it did just as much damage as the Javelin. Viper's firing rate was too slow for me to make a difference.

And yeah, in the MP Demo, I loved the Widow, and had a handgun on the side. The weight in SP is too much, given I love using cloak + mantis shot for epic damage.

 

[Pluvia]

Well, I want to try it another way since I saved right before. However, it should be noted that

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that FREAKING Reaper fight is SO annoying since it takes like 10 minutes for the tracking thing to lock even though it'll do that confirmation beep, and then make you stop to avoid the laser and do 2 more. Died like...10 times in that thing because the aiming laser screwed me

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Just completed that bit,

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only died once and got peace between the Geth and Quarians.

 

[LivewiresXe]

You uh...only had that happen because of the comments made previously about it...yes....

And about the spoiler'd part

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I take it that means Legion died then? Because when I got peace between the 2 races that's what happened. And well...I can't imagine Tali killing herself unless EVERYBODY in the Migrant Fleet dies and she's like...the only Quarian left. That and, I don't think there's a way to get through it without one of the two dying...as much as I'd like there to be.

 

[Pluvia]

You uh...only had that happen because of the comments made previously about it...yes....

And about the spoiler'd part

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I take it that means Legion died then? Because when I got peace between the 2 races that's what happened. And well...I can't imagine Tali killing herself unless EVERYBODY in the Migrant Fleet dies and she's like...the only Quarian left. That and, I don't think there's a way to get through it without one of the two dying...as much as I'd like there to be.

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Legion sacrifices himself regardless. Tali kills herself because she is the only Quarian left.

Anyway moving onto a different subject, something new about the ending

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apparently it's not possible to get your teammates killed there? Huh? They removed it apparently, but seeing as though I don't think this is on youtube I just screenshotted the videos of them about to be lasered and then lying dead after they're lasered:

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They're supposed to die if you have a low EMS rating. Why would they remove that so late into the game?

 

[sakuraZaKi]

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Yeah, I'm starting to get pissed off with all this ending stuff, BW.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Here's a random question for people.

Which do you prefer? Black Widow, or Javelin? The Javelin sees through smoke with the infrared aimer and does a little more damage with it's shot, but it only has one in the clip, while the Black Widow has 3. And I think both can go through shields. Just curious.

 

[sakuraZaKi]

It's a question of vision vs. (maybe) speed of killing things before they get to you.

Are you usually blinded by smoke?

 

[LivewiresXe]

Not normally, nah. But, can't the Javelin shoot through cover that the Black Widow can't?

 

[sakuraZaKi]

Well, IMO, I don't think it's a problem if you aren't pressured to shoot.

I can wait for their head to come up.

If you're someone who sits in the back, I think the Javelin would be fine since you can shoot things behind cover while your mates take care of the things out of cover. Good teammates shouldn't let you be attacked.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Well, IMO, I don't think it's a problem if you aren't pressured to shoot.

I can wait for their head to come up.

If you're someone who sits in the back, I think the Javelin would be fine since you can shoot things behind cover while your mates take care of the things out of cover. Good teammates shouldn't let you be attacked.

Sounds like someone hasn't played online very much.

 

[sakuraZaKi]

I know, lol. Only touched the MP demo. I have friends who want to finish ME2 so we can all start MP together. As much as I don't want to sit back, I have no one else to play with (I'm on PC), so I'm obliged to wait.

I hate being compassionate, lol. I'm really tempted to play though. Really.

Since you said that, how are people the online then?

 

[LivewiresXe]

I know, lol. Only touched the MP demo. I have friends who want to finish ME2 so we can all start MP together. As much as I don't want to sit back, I have no one else to play with (I'm on PC), so I'm obliged to wait.

I hate being compassionate, lol. I'm really tempted to play though. Really.

Since you said that, how are people the online then?

If you're in a group of people with mics, or people who have actually beaten ME2 and/or ME3 (or at least played the game a good bit), you're fine. But with 3 randoms, often they'll all try to go Rambo on everything and then half will wind up dead, and the other one cornered while you have to run in and save him.

 

[O D I N]

Here's a random question for people.

Which do you prefer? Black Widow, or Javelin? The Javelin sees through smoke with the infrared aimer and does a little more damage with it's shot, but it only has one in the clip, while the Black Widow has 3. And I think both can go through shields. Just curious.

If they're highlighted by the Javelin scope (zoomed in), you can hit them (usually). My only gripe with the Javelin, and I'm sure it's for balance is the 'charging' to shoot.

The Black Widow seems to do the same amount of damage for me no matter if it's the Widow, Javelin, or Black Widow. All three shoot through light cover and Guardian shields; Piercing mod not needed.

 

[theeboredone]

If you are an infiltrator, you can use cloak and adjust your position if they use a smoke bomb.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Yeah, I know. I just wish the Valiant was available online if you got the Collector's Edition. I seriously LOVE that gun in single player. And the Heavy Pistol, and Shotgun aren't bad either. The SMG's good for squaddies if you put Accuracy on, but man do it's bullets go everywhere.

 

[theeboredone]

For lolz, has anyone tried playing infiltrator with a shot gun? I wonder how that would work with cloak. Either run in, shotgun, cloak and run, heal. Or cloak, run in, double damage shotgun, run. Or can infiltrators not use shotties? I forgot lol.

 

[sakuraZaKi]

Can't anyone use any weapon? Lol.

 

[theeboredone]

Well, I don't have MP so I forgot lol.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Well, it's the same as in Single Player. I just think different classes (say Soldier) have more weight available than others. Also, I've found an Assault Rifle (or at least Locust if nothing else) works better for a Vanguard than an Eviscerator Shottie.

 

[Archangel]

the weight is distributed based on class I believe. Soldiers can carry the heaviest weapons though if you choose certain paths.

 

[Pluvia]

A medium range weapon isn't good for a Vanguard. You're going to do a lot of close range fighting, and you can get upgrades that boost your weapon damage a few seconds after a charge and reduce the weight of your shotguns. There are much better classes that compliment an assault rifle.

 

[Archangel]

A medium range weapon isn't good for a Vanguard. You're going to do a lot of close range fighting, and you can get upgrades that boost your weapon damage a few seconds after a charge and reduce the weight of your shotguns. There are much better classes that compliment an assault rifle.

Agreed. I suggest getting the bonus power that steals shields from enemies and gives it to you. It makes nova alot more fun

 

[Pluvia]

If only you could get that for multiplayer eh.

I like it when you play tons of multiplayer then go into single player and get pinned down, and you're like "**** how am I gonna get out of this one? Oh crap I forgot it's single player I have like a quadrillion powers!" and you open up your power wheel and ruin everyone.

 

[Archangel]

I think they OP'd the powers in this game. Especially when they re-added the bonus power. I feel it takes away from stand alone classes when a Soldier can learn Stasis.

 

[Pluvia]

I do think that you shouldn't be able to use tech or biotics if your class is unable to. But anyway the higher difficulties should nullify most of this.

Anyway, Chris Priestly from Bioware released a statement:

We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game. In the meantime, we’d like to ask that you keep the non-spoiler areas of our forums and our social media channels spoiler free.

We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback.

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

 

[LivewiresXe]

A medium range weapon isn't good for a Vanguard. You're going to do a lot of close range fighting, and you can get upgrades that boost your weapon damage a few seconds after a charge and reduce the weight of your shotguns. There are much better classes that compliment an assault rifle.

I should point out, I was talking about multiplayer. And I always get killed on the reload in MP if I use a Shotty after Charge. With an Assault Rifle, I go in, put a couple rounds into the guy I knocked down, then take out the 2 people next to him with shots no problem in time for it to recharge and be able to do again.

 

[Master Xanthan]

I should point out, I was talking about multiplayer. And I always get killed on the reload in MP if I use a Shotty after Charge. With an Assault Rifle, I go in, put a couple rounds into the guy I knocked down, then take out the 2 people next to him with shots no problem in time for it to recharge and be able to do again.

It sounds like your recharge time might not be very high. Your vanguard should have a level up bonus where you can decrease the weight of weapons.

 

[O D I N]

Yeah, I know. I just wish the Valiant was available online if you got the Collector's Edition. I seriously LOVE that gun in single player. And the Heavy Pistol, and Shotgun aren't bad either. The SMG's good for squaddies if you put Accuracy on, but man do it's bullets go everywhere.

I LOVE the Valiant. I'm sure they'll release it for MP eventually. At least I hope so. that gun is too good.

For lolz, has anyone tried playing infiltrator with a shot gun? I wonder how that would work with cloak. Either run in, shotgun, cloak and run, heal. Or cloak, run in, double damage shotgun, run. Or can infiltrators not use shotties? I forgot lol.

There's actually a Salarian Infil build specifically for shotguns. I'll see if I can find it, and I'll post it.

I'd be curious to try it, but Salarian Infil is my favorite, so I'd rather have the Widow+Energy Drain for that.

Agreed. I suggest getting the bonus power that steals shields from enemies and gives it to you. It makes nova alot more fun

Energy Drain too good. I used it on my Soldier, and went for the Armor buff (since I was a Soldier, it made sense). It wasn't bad, but for MP I'd rather go damage. You NEED to drain those shields/barriers as quickly as possible.

I do think that you shouldn't be able to use tech or biotics if your class is unable to. But anyway the higher difficulties should nullify most of this.

Anyway, Chris Priestly from Bioware released a statement:

That's hardly a statement.

"Uhhh... Hey guys... Ummm... Give us some time... Please???"

But I read that yesterday.

To be fair, at least he's said something, and I do understand them wanting to hold off at least a month to get everyone to finish up the game... And then have more people get mad at them.

 

[LivewiresXe]

It sounds like your recharge time might not be very high. Your vanguard should have a level up bonus where you can decrease the weight of weapons.

Well, he's only I think...level 7-9 (I forget which) and I'm balancing up my upgrades, so I don't think I've gotten that far yet in it, because I know there's something that reduces weapon weight by 20% and Soldiers have something that gives them an extra 50 points of weight. I think my recharge time might be....+60...something% with him. I know my Infiltrator is +48% since he has a Mantis/Locust combo, and my Vanguard has an Avenger/Locust combo, which is the same as my Engineer has.

 

[Pluvia]

You can just upgrade your Charge so it hits 2 more people close to the target I think. Shotguns have better damage than rifles, so Charging and pretty much 1 shotting anything that didn't die then Charging again after 3 seconds is the way to go. Less awkward than a rifle.

 

[LivewiresXe]

You can just upgrade your Charge so it hits 2 more people close to the target I think. Shotguns have better damage than rifles, so Charging and pretty much 1 shotting anything that didn't die then Charging again after 3 seconds is the way to go. Less awkward than a rifle.

That may be true, but there's a little glitch with Full Auto ARs and SMGs where you can start shooting before you fully come out of charge so that you've killed off the person you injured with it with gunfire before you've recovered that I don't think works with a Shottie.

 

[O D I N]

Yeah, I know. I just wish the Valiant was available online if you got the Collector's Edition. I seriously LOVE that gun in single player. And the Heavy Pistol, and Shotgun aren't bad either. The SMG's good for squaddies if you put Accuracy on, but man do it's bullets go everywhere.

FUNNY YOU MENTION THIS.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mas...Operation-Goliath-This-weekend-9992705-1.html

GET HYPE.

Reaper.

Silver or higher.

GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO GO!

 

[LivewiresXe]

That's awesome. But...I've never done Silver before. Though, now's the time to get my group together to try it.

 

[Pluvia]

I can do that, but I know I'm going to get the SMG.

 

[LivewiresXe]

I can do that, but I know I'm going to get the SMG.

With my luck, I'd wind up with the Heavy Pistol or Shottie. And with my luck, it'd be after getting the Graal.

 

[O D I N]

Hoping for the Valiant, would be happy with the Crusader.

The pistol isn't too shabby either.

Semi-auto to holding the trigger into a full-auto is pretty sexy.

 

[Archangel]

**** THAT EVENT.....

 

[Pluvia]

Looking at Bioware's patient responses to most of the nonsense reactions to the ending has made me realise that it's pointless to make something for fans. I used to be slightly uncertain about DLC like the on disc Gears 3 maps or the Catwoman extension for Arkham City, but after seeing how fans react to Bioware, a company that cares about them, compared to CoD, a company that copies and pastes its games, has made me realise that CoD is the way to go.

Games companies have been becoming more greedy and I wholeheartedly welcome this. I really truely hope that games are divided into 3rds in the future with the other two 3rds made as DLC. If 5 minutes can ruin 5 years for people, yet crappy CoD's make billions, then I really hope that the future of games get less Portal 2 and more Modern Warfare.

 

[theeboredone]

That's not the way I look at it. First off, CoD is a very poor reference, because it is a MP FPS game first, then a SP game. A better comparison would be the AC series. So far, the story has its up and downs, but we haven't got to the ending, so we don't know how we will react. There has been a lot of hype put into it on what's to be coming, and there is that fear it may not pan out.

Like in a lot of things, the ending counts a lot towards points. In sports, people turn into the last 5 minutes to see the conclusion of an epic game. In movies, people look forward to the ending to see how the story will unfold. Bioware set itself with high standards by making a compelling story. It did everything right in ME1, ME2. However,

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it greatly failed in ME3, and the criticism is rightfully deserved. Look, I'm happy that I've got to experience about 90 hours of story and game, but if someone told me that the ending is a piece of ****, then where's my motivation? I am Shepard. I make these decisions that are supposed to impact the ending, and yet this ending does not give us squat.

I will say, I am a firm believer of this "indoctrination theory" where they will release the real ending via DLC. There is too much circumstantial evidence in the end for it not to be true. With this being the case, I am disappointed in EA/Bioware for holding off the REAL ending as DLC. Unless it's free, I have no reason to download it.

I guarantee you if they gave us an ending that represented the impact of the decisions we've made, didn't simply change the color of the explosion, and actually bothered showing what happened to everyone, it would be good. However, for the 3 minutes I witnessed, it was utter garbage, and to see Shepard "wake up" made me groan. Bioware is subject to every piece of criticism, whether it comes off as insulting or not. For as much praise you get, you also have to be prepared to take the criticism when it comes your way.