ZHMT
Smash Lord
Its slightly different on some characters, but it mostly follows the same guideline. In front and above Marth is good at tipped range.
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Marth's Zones
- Thread starter Steel
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AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
Pierce7d mentioned that going for shield grabs leaves you open and you can also get hit so it's not auto shield grab always unless they do a laggy attack. After the 1st strike of DB there is lag however it's not that and the grab can be applied when your opponent isn't expecting it according to junkinthetrunk. It seems as if there aren't really any set options that are 100% safe for Marth if we breakdown what everything has been stated so far and with that said it becomes even more important to be able to read your opponent so you will know how they respond to certain situations so that you will be at an advantage. I think that is the best option TBH.
KRiMz0N
Smash Journeyman
∫unk
Smash Master
up b the expected jab against zss
then they stop doing it
if they try to bait then u can escape anyway its an even game
probably other jabs too u just need fast reactions ive only seen me an mike consistently up b zss jab
but the point is jab isnt that bad throws are scarier put u in way worse positions
then they stop doing it
if they try to bait then u can escape anyway its an even game
probably other jabs too u just need fast reactions ive only seen me an mike consistently up b zss jab
but the point is jab isnt that bad throws are scarier put u in way worse positions
Proper positioning of yourself and sword placement is what controls your opponent and keeps yourself safe.
When you're in the red zone DS OoS is good if you KNOW they are going to attack. Characters such as Sheik may jab once or twice then put up their shield to bait the DS. Players may also just grab you. It takes ~5 frames to jump and then another 5 or 6 for fair to actually make contact with them, so retreating fair may not be the best option. Rolling away is probably the best option, though sometimes I may do a cross up dancing blade or pivot grab which I find are good options.
But note that the red zone is usually not a good spot for your opponent anyway. It's not their ideal spacing range, however their jab games more often than not will win out against Marth's due to their speed and safeness. You basically "failed" if you get hit by a move that is shorter than your sword. Your body was in a bad place and you got punished. So the inner yellow zone isn't that good since Marth can still get hit. But for balance's sake there are obviously ways for characters to get inside Marth's zoning. For example Sheik or Sonic have the speed to do so. Your job is to learn how to limit these options that they THINK they have.. thus ****** them.
this
Albert.
Smash Master
Does anyone else think that zoning with Marth is way easier offline?
this is totally off-topic but why is Dancing Blades so ****ty on WiFi? Has anyone found like a solid reason? no other moves seem affected.
this is totally off-topic but why is Dancing Blades so ****ty on WiFi? Has anyone found like a solid reason? no other moves seem affected.
ChaosKnight
Smash Master
hehe the green and yellow zone dont exist for me 
Bass it's wifi, marth is better in every way offline.
CK is all about red zone XD
CK is all about red zone XD
ZHMT
Smash Lord
What Steel said. Marth sucks on wifi period.
Dancing blade is worse on it because its slower and sometimes characters can spot dodge and avoid the entire combo, including downwards variation.
Also Wifi lag causes your punishing move (dancing blade) to stop randomly in the middle of it....its unsafe and you eat a fsmash or something. Wifi is pathetic.
no uhehe the green and yellow zone dont exist for me
Albert.
Smash Master
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
Why wi-fi, why? FML
OmegaXF
Smash Ace
Made my day!
Darxmarth23
Smash Champion
Nice read Steel. This thing got posts fast!
itsthebigfoot
Smash Lord
by the way, marth has a pretty nasty cg on shiek (buffered dthrows into step canceled sideb for a lot of %))
are you sure grab range is a bad zone?
are you sure grab range is a bad zone?
ye s
KRiMz0N
Smash Journeyman
marth's grab game is amazing, but you should only attempt a grab on the offensive
Vitamin_x
Smash Apprentice
Yeah okay, what about shield grabbing and pivot grabbing. Those aren't on the offensive.
∫unk
Smash Master
krimzon ur wrong u just grab whenever u know they're going to shield that might be defensive if they're baiting a ds. its better not to make broad concrete statements (ironyyyy)
i dont think the last picture with falco is that bad to me its like yellow
like ya he's hurting me for 2-4% average but w/e i can still move however i want i have options obviously u cant stay there. also u can hit him if u bait the phantasm
when falco is right next to me its like super red lol
i dont think the last picture with falco is that bad to me its like yellow
like ya he's hurting me for 2-4% average but w/e i can still move however i want i have options obviously u cant stay there. also u can hit him if u bait the phantasm
when falco is right next to me its like super red lol
KRiMz0N
Smash Journeyman
shield grabbing and pivot grabbing arent regular grabbing
but yeah it's situational really
but yeah it's situational really
∫unk
Smash Master
viet ur marth clip in ur sig the spacing is terrible
maybe ur trying to non-tipper on purpose though i dunno how brawl+ works
maybe ur trying to non-tipper on purpose though i dunno how brawl+ works
Vitamin_x
Smash Apprentice
Of course they aren't. They're extra special grabs.
If you're talking about going for grabs while on the offensive, it's a risky and unnecessary move.
KRiMz0N
Smash Journeyman
that's why i said it's situational
like if you're on the offensive and they shield and try to grab you, and you all out grab them, if they have port priority theyll grab you etc
like if you're on the offensive and they shield and try to grab you, and you all out grab them, if they have port priority theyll grab you etc
Vitamin_x
Smash Apprentice
Why grab when you can hit or chip away at their shield?
Going for grabs puts you in the "red zone" which is risky.
Yes, it is situational.
the only move that can be legitimately be untipped with *some* safety is uair. <_<
1st fair is badly spaced, low reaction time allowed me to shieldpoke with usmash. The rest until Falcon hits the edge is just hitstun doing ****. From there it was yet another fluke.
I'm a better CK than CK. Because CK places and stuff.
Junk I wish my pew pew laser was on autofire. Can you help? =(
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Anyway going out to get grabs is risky. It's better in almost all situations to just let your sword do the work for you. Grabs are more of a reaction sort of thing for Marth. You grab when someone is at frame disadvantage from an attack or if you're punishing someone for recovering high and want to refresh your moveset in the process.
Proactively 'getting the grab' isn't worth the trouble, especially since the part of the cast Marth is afraid of have better grabs that put you in worse situations than your grabs put them in.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
Thanks that was helpful.
Steel_Samurai
Smash Journeyman
Great thread, great street fighter example
BanjoKazooiePro
Smash Champion
Awesome thread. It's vital to know where Marth is strong and where he isn't, and this is explaining it all perfectly. This helps spacing and makes people aware of where he is weak, and all of the things said about his weak zones are definitely true. Nice work.
∫unk
Smash Master
just get lucky like me
then when u get better u get luckier lol im not even joking u get away with more dumb stuff
then when u get better u get luckier lol im not even joking u get away with more dumb stuff
Your words mean a lot to me Junk.
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KRiMz0N
Smash Journeyman
I agree with this guy. I can't see any flaws with this guide. However, it's just that some people including myself aren't as experienced at using Marth like you are so there were some things that I wanted clarified.
Well, least your guide turned out better than the one I put up recently.
Well...I can't beat myself up too much for it. It's my first attempt at doing one and it's not 100% complete yet. Hopefully I can make a better one later on though. illinialex24
Smash Hero
Good post thanks
Interesting read. Great job on pointing out the unfavorable zones for both situations, too close and too far.
Marth definitely has more difficulty maintaining "the zone" on versatile characters since you need to constantly watch both negative zones.
At least the characters that lack a solid range game must eventually approach, eliminating the distance zone, allowing Marth to contol the match at a much more comfortable pace.
Marth definitely has more difficulty maintaining "the zone" on versatile characters since you need to constantly watch both negative zones.
At least the characters that lack a solid range game must eventually approach, eliminating the distance zone, allowing Marth to contol the match at a much more comfortable pace.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Personally, I think we should make this thread against multiple characters, so we can have foavorable and unfavorable zones for each character.
Like against a Jigglypuff, far is favorable and so is mid. Close is harsh though because of her grabs.
Against a Yoshi however, mid and close are pretty favorable and far is bad.
Like against a Jigglypuff, far is favorable and so is mid. Close is harsh though because of her grabs.
Against a Yoshi however, mid and close are pretty favorable and far is bad.
Albert.
Smash Master
illinialex24
Smash Hero
I'm just saying, anything helps. Like against a Falco, its essentially the same, you wanna stay in mid range throughout, although if he's facing you in the air, I prefer being close. I'm likely gonna make one for ground and air of where you want and not want to be.