basvhout
Smash Apprentice
Im really having trouble against ROB and DDD. MK is one of my best matchups. cause you can grabrelease him to tipped Fair every time.
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~Marth's Match Ups~
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Red Arremer
Smash Legend
Hello Marth boards, Fox boards are re-discussing Marth:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=252458
If you would like to contribute, we'd be very grateful. Thanks!
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=252458
If you would like to contribute, we'd be very grateful. Thanks!
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
If your having a harder time against Marth's even match-ups, then it either:
a) You must be playing a bad MK.
b) You have no ROB or D3 experience, making you play the match-up wrong.
c) The slight chance your lying....
Stick around this thread though, your definitely in the right place!
feardragon64
Smash Champion
Neo, Rukk's trying to tell you something.
Darth Destro
Smash Cadet
321BOOM
Smash Journeyman
Hai Marth Boards 
The angels are discussing the Marth match-up:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=254261
Any input is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
The angels are discussing the Marth match-up:http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=254261
Any input is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Soulgem199
Smash Rookie
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I got a quastion (btw my engish is not as pro as you guysXD)
I want to punish a pretty good marth player with my own marth. I played with him but on flat stages like FD i got *****. He mindgames with Neatrul Special and stuff. He also plays around with Front Special, grab/FSpecail Dtilt. Its a little bit a Show off marth if you know what i mean butt still exstream good. Anyone got some tips and advice for me?
I want to punish a pretty good marth player with my own marth. I played with him but on flat stages like FD i got *****. He mindgames with Neatrul Special and stuff. He also plays around with Front Special, grab/FSpecail Dtilt. Its a little bit a Show off marth if you know what i mean butt still exstream good. Anyone got some tips and advice for me?
6Mizu
Smash Champion
I like this thread it's useful.
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=221578
Lucario boards are discussing Marth.
I'm kind of hoping more than the people that usually come visit and post some stuff, especially if they know the MU.
Lucario boards are discussing Marth.
I'm kind of hoping more than the people that usually come visit and post some stuff, especially if they know the MU.
Notra
Smash Ace
Ballin'
who be trollin'?
who be trollin'?
YOU are doing it wrong, I must teach you the ways of the troll.Ballin'
who be trollin'?
§leepy God
Smash Master
♪ I guess it's true that Midwest area is full of trolls. xD †
Brawler17
Smash Cadet
Thanks for this thread it really helps.
i'm tryin' ta get better wit marth and this helps alot.
thanks again
i'm tryin' ta get better wit marth and this helps alot.
thanks again
freddy2298
Smash Rookie
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ganon would get *****
Umby
Smash Master
Is it possible to get the OP updated with pertinent and updated information?
Alas young one, thar be a breeze blowing.
Blacknight99923
Smash Champion
I think MK marth is more like 60-40 or 55-45 this isn't 2008 we have releases to spikes and Db and counter on nado and other stuff we all know and i feel we should edit the first post
k its yours rukkiko
bye
bye
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
Oh... well, that was fast lol
Nice postbit you got there Steel!
Nice postbit you got there Steel!
Freezewish
Smash Ace
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Blacknight99923
Smash Champion
not entirely sure i desereved that. Counter Db does go through nado and we do have grab release tools on MK
we knew all of that in 2008. doesn't change the fact that metas tools are clearly superior
Rad
Smash Ace
Is there a Marth ditto match-up discussion, or was it overlooked/decided against?
(Or am I completely blind)
Blacknight99923
Smash Champion
superior yes but its not 65-35. While havoc might be overexagerating with 50-50 his reasoning wasn't completely off.
Rad
Smash Ace
If you think it's not 65-35, you should bring up some new points, and perhaps address things brought up in the original thread. Being out-zoned, edge-guarded to hell, and gimped quite easily is serious business.
We arent outzoned when we can cover a larger range than he can in a shorter space of time (as in he cannot dash and attack with something as well as we can when we have aerial mobility and dancing blade).
Edge-guarded to hell applies to both characters. MK struggles to back on stage against us.
Gimped quite easily? Its a major way for MK to kill us faster than we can kill him (in terms of odds of it happening... but technically with grab release to dair that kills MK at 40%... well...)
Edge-guarded to hell applies to both characters. MK struggles to back on stage against us.
Gimped quite easily? Its a major way for MK to kill us faster than we can kill him (in terms of odds of it happening... but technically with grab release to dair that kills MK at 40%... well...)
Rad
Smash Ace
I think it's debatable who is better at taking space... Even though both characters are definitely able to take and control space, MK's zoning is still more effective than ours. Marth is a character with zone-related weaknesses; being above an opponent, being off-stage against some opponents, and being on the ledge. MK doesn't share these weaknesses (at least to the extent we do), but can take advantage of them very well.
I think that constitutes out-zoned, but I don't know. It is true that Marth is capable of taking and controlling space, even against MK.
Struggles is a bit of a stretch don't you think? MK has more options than the entire cast on the ledge, can choose which ledge he wants to go to, and isn't strictly forced to grab the ledge anyway. Marth can bait and punish some of MKs options, but he definitely doesn't edge-guard MK to hell.
(If I'm wrong and Marth does, please teach me how :D)
Grab release to D-air is a bit of a stretch don't you think? Landing a grab near the edge and nailing the tiny D-air window is a good step more challenging than what the MK trying to gimp us has to do.
I dont know...
One of those things, no matter the window, is actually guaranteed from a grab which Marth isnt too shabby at compared to MK requiring you to badly DI or be heavily outread in terms of when you use your jump/db1/etc.
One of those things, no matter the window, is actually guaranteed from a grab which Marth isnt too shabby at compared to MK requiring you to badly DI or be heavily outread in terms of when you use your jump/db1/etc.
Blacknight99923
Smash Champion
shaya is the most inteligent person on this board
Rad
Smash Ace
I don't know much about the grab release to D-air, but isn't it like a three frame window or something tiny like that? The speed at which MK escapes has to do with his percentage and how fast he mashes right? If you can't know for sure when he'll break out, and the window is tiny, it can't be 100% guaranteed. Idk, I'm probably wrong.
Stop trolling lmao
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
It is 100% guaranteed. It's not 100% error prone too.
Blacknight99923
Smash Champion
i also garuntee it isn't 3 frames for grab release to dair timing
I find the limitation of the player in this regard is similar to Falcos phantasm cancelling to the precise levels that players like DEHF and SK92 can achieve.
They have a 3 frame window to cancel at all, and each frame has different results. They also have to do similar amount of inputs.
The difference is of course the timing/starting of the whole process when grab releasing a character. We have to anticipate/react to that, Falco can just muscle memory the entire thing.
They have a 3 frame window to cancel at all, and each frame has different results. They also have to do similar amount of inputs.
The difference is of course the timing/starting of the whole process when grab releasing a character. We have to anticipate/react to that, Falco can just muscle memory the entire thing.
Blacknight99923
Smash Champion
but we also have more visuals to help with timing
every decent marth should be able to grab release dair 75% of the time if not 100% of the time
every decent marth should be able to grab release dair 75% of the time if not 100% of the time
I ponder whether or not I get it even 10% of the time...
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