Marth vs shiek

[BrandonOwnageking]

So my friend is about to start maining shiek which my marth has no chance against what are some of the better stradigies to use against him or should i just stick with my fox?

he also shield grabs quit alot which i cant seem to get around with my marth help please

 

[Fade016]

Ok first of all Space very well so shiek can not grab you. If she grabs you its going to hurt bad because it will usually lead into some nasty combos or chain grabs. If you can get a grab on shiek use Upthrow always keep sheik above you as much as possible because no one wants to be above a marth expecially shiek because of her not so good dair. use a lot of up tilts to keep in the and rack up dmg and for a good setup for combos. Never let sheik get inside your range play defensvily and watch out for those gay needles. Tip a lot of Fairs to get shiek above you or end frames of your up tilt.

 

[FrostByte]

Sheik is gay. That is all.

 

[BrandonOwnageking]

thanks dude this will help alot

 

[Betrayed]

In Depth Guide to Fighting Sheik

Step 1 - Learn Falco

 

[Aryman]

In Depth Guide to Fighting Sheik

Step 1 - Learn Falco

Sheik grabs and combos the living hell out of space animals. Tech chasing is also quite easy for a good Sheik player.

As far as beating a Sheik player with Marth, spacing is KEY. Don't let her get close to you or she can rack up damage quick... also Marth's counter can save you if she starts chaining moves ... gotta predict well and not become too predictable yourself though.

 

[Cereal Rabbit]

Sheiks are very "gay." They will throw needles at you to force you to approach (Because if you don't you'll keep getting a chance of getting hit). When you come towards them, you are in the air, and probably going to SHFFL. Sheik will then shield grab and combo you to another planet in seconds.

What you need to do is stay in a space where you can be close enough to attack Sheik when she shoots her needles at you. The point is to be close enough to make Sheik's throwing of needles unsafe and also far away enough to not get hit right in front.

If Sheik can get you both on the ground, it's basically her game. If she gets you in the air then it's her game also. But what if you could get Sheik to fly like the sheeps in my dreams that other day? What if like to do is to fake SHFFLs. I'd short hop towards until the opponent yanks out a shield. Then I would double jump away and behind the opponent. B-airs are good. Don't get caught with that downsmash. I'm guessing you could do that a couple of times until Sheik can predict it where you would go for a grab. Because: Marth > Sheik as of aerial combos, you should throw Shiek upwards into a combo. If the damage is low enough, U-air SHFFLs are a possibility or possibly a Ken Combo.

And because all this information probably sucks, I'd just like to say that I too get pwned at VS Shiek >_>

 

[Vincent Vega]

Space your fairs perfectly. Fair out of you shield if Sheik ever hits it. Tech chase with your grab game. And dash dance A LOT. Basically DD until she messes up and you get a grab opportunity. It's tough but almost possible.

 

[Retroking2000]

i say you should wave dance instead of DD that way while wavedashing you are neutral in everything you do

 

[handsockpuppet]

Sheik is gay. That is all.

I find that funny coming from a MARTH player.

 

[ArcNatural]

i say you should wave dance instead of DD that way while wavedashing you are neutral in everything you do

You have 10 frames of lag during a wavedash with every character, dashdancing with quick reflexes and smart CC is usually better for trying to pressure Shiek. CC to JC grab is a godsend in early % in this matchup or any of them.

 

[undyinglight]

If you see her dash attack coming shield grab her. This is simple yet effective.

 

[Charlesz]

Spacing,
good aerials
techchase
grabs
and good predictions are the key.

Use your range as your advantage.

 

[Dark Sonic]

I find that funny coming from a MARTH player.

Just go away you freakin' troll.

 

[balladechina212]

Sheik gets eaten alive by utilts. Keep her above you with those and throw in some uairs too. Implement some shield mindgames too, such as SHFFL-->dash through-->pivot grab or SHFFL-->sidestep. These techniques will throw off shield grabbers.

 

[Vincent Vega]

Spacing,
good aerials
techchase
grabs
and good predictions are the key.

Use your range as your advantage.

Sounds simple but this guy has the right idea IMO.

 

[AznLanceLord]

I find that funny coming from a MARTH player.

I may be misunderstanding you, but Shiek is probably the worst possible matchup for Marth, otherwise it's Falcon.

 

[ArcNatural]

If you see her dash attack coming shield grab her. This is simple yet effective.

Your better off rolling or wavedashing back against better Sheik players. You will never know if they will dash attack or grab you, and rolling and wavedashing back avoid both is better than trying to shieldgrab a good Sheik. But if they are predictable, CC to JC grab or shield grabbing the dash attack will probably be decent.

 

[balladechina212]

I may be misunderstanding you, but Shiek is probably the worst possible matchup for Marth, otherwise it's Falcon.

Marth doesn't give Falcon a chance (except maybe on FD). Just watch what M2K did to Darkrain in the FC Diamond crew battle.

 

[soap]

darkrain was playing dumb and impatient and allowed himself to get grabbed near the edge

 

[Kel]

also, he had just woke up with little sleep and no warmup while M2K was playing cactuar and me a bunch.
of course, this is no excuseable John as Darkrain should.
Yes, Marth should kill Falcon off the edge, but ANY character should be able to kill falcon offf the edge. Falcon has a slight advantage over Marth on the stage because he's one of the few characters that can get inside of Marth's range or dash around him before he can turn around.

To learn how to beat sheik, just play against her until you learn when you're safe. Oh, and hit her off teh ledge.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Sheik grabs and combos the living hell out of space animals.

No.

They combo the living hell outta her. Shiek can really only tech chase to do anything to them at low percents.

Her moves don't combo for **** until like 60% vs space animals.

Meanwhile Falco just ****s all over her even when she is at 0%

Space animals vs Shiek = Space Animal advantage.

Falco vs Shiek is definitely in Falco's favor.

Fox vs Shiek is pretty close to even, but Fox has slight advantage.

 

[KirbyKaze]

learn Fox.

 

[Cactuar]

No.

They combo the living hell outta her. Shiek can really only tech chase to do anything to them at low percents.

Her moves don't combo for **** until like 60% vs space animals.

Meanwhile Falco just ****s all over her even when she is at 0%

Space animals vs Shiek = Space Animal advantage.

Falco vs Shiek is definitely in Falco's favor.

Fox vs Shiek is pretty close to even, but Fox has slight advantage.

ur dum

lolllz

Seriously though, you don't play spacies or sheik. Don't comment on matchups you don't know. >.>

<3<3

 

[Emblem Lord]

I know enough about the game to know the match-up.

And what I said was true.

Go away and flirt with my gf some more or something. She has been bugging me lately so go distract her, lol.

<3<3

 

[AznLanceLord]

ur dum

lolllz

Seriously though, you don't play spacies or sheik. Don't comment on matchups you don't know. >.>

<3<3

I would have to agree with Emblem Lord. If you watch falco vs shiek vids falco DOES combo shiek like crazy, almost as if Sheik was a fox. I dunno about fox and shiek though.

 

[_SSnakeKen]

Marth and Shiek is like a perfect match

marth vs Sheik is a ****ed up match but it is doable. That guy is very right. A lot of up throws into up tilts. If you can get her to lose her jump, you can really keep her up there. The sword dance works well on her too. If you grab most of the game then around 80 % come in on her, she most likly side step and thats when you do your sword dance and she will most likly get hit by the third swing which will send her flying. Try to follow your cancles with a down tilt. The sheik will try grab you after arrials but that down tilt will mess her up everytime

Grabs and juggling; yes. It's also helpful if you can edge-guard well. The key to edge-guarding a shiek, however oxymoronic that may sound, is to keep up the pressure off the platform. Always try to take the edge-hog opportunity, and take it early; trying too late could end in your doom through a well timed slap against the side of the level. If you're not into that, then the idea is to pressure her into using the vanish before she wants to. Those invincibility frames are what makes her so hard to nuke otherwise. If you can force her to miss a sweetspot, you've got it nailed. B-airs out of edge-hog work nicely for that; which is why I advise taking the ledge. Otherwise, you'll just have to rely on your range to deal the damage to Shiek; it's easier to send her out with a well placed f-tilt than an f-smash. Those shieks are always looking for an attack to punish, and Marth's f-smash is the one that makes their mouths water. F-airs are nice, as are u-tilts and d-tilts; d-tilts to push her out of grabbing range. And of course, as always, if your opponent gets predictable, make good use of the wavedash to f-smash. Mindgames > Technical skill =)

 

[Fade016]

No.

They combo the living hell outta her. Shiek can really only tech chase to do anything to them at low percents.

Her moves don't combo for **** until like 60% vs space animals.

Meanwhile Falco just ****s all over her even when she is at 0%

Space animals vs Shiek = Space Animal advantage.

Falco vs Shiek is definitely in Falco's favor.

Fox vs Shiek is pretty close to even, but Fox has slight advantage.

This is correct Falco does have a big advantage over shiek this is why i secondary falco to take out gay men i mean shiek with lasers.

shine combos own shiek so bad with falco its barely even funny. wait yes it is because i love seeing shiek being ***** by a bird.

 

[KirbyKaze]

falco/sheik is about even and even if falco has an advantage it's not very big.

same deal with fox.

the only reason people recommend marth players to use space animals to deal with sheik is because honestly marth sucks ridiculously hard vs sheik it's a **** matchup, marth works with extremely little whereas sheik's edgeguarding ***** him and she has no problems getting him off the stage (and tacking 40% on in the process).

at least with a space animal you get an even matchup or close to an even matchup.

 

[Emblem Lord]

wtf?

LOL!!

Falco vs Shiek is EVEN?!

If you said that about Fox fine, but Falco?

And Shiek vs Marth isn't ****.

**** implies he has no chance or that he will consistently get 3 stocked or more.

This is not the case.

Falco definitely has advantage over Shiek BTW. This is fact.

Yeah she can edgeguard the hell out of him , but who can't? Falco's recovery is *** juice. Everyone knows that. The main thing that gives him advanage is his ridiculous combos on her and the fact that she can't combo him for **** until mid percents. Tech chasing only gets her so far. And it's not like her grabs lead to anything garuanteed at low percents. How is the match-up even?

 

[undyinglight]

Sheik is a very difficult match for Marth, however it is possible. Sheik is difficult because she combos Marth very easily and because Marth has a hard time killing her. If she gets to high precentages I usually try to mindgame a f-smash on her.

 

[AznLanceLord]

Sheik is a very difficult match for Marth, however it is possible. Sheik is difficult because she combos Marth very easily and because Marth has a hard time killing her. If she gets to high precentages I usually try to mindgame a f-smash on her.

marth doesn't really have a hard time killing her, it's more that Sheik can get Marth before he gets her. But Shiek does have better combo ability against marth than vice versa.

 

[Fade016]

Marth does have a Hard time Keeping shiek from coming back. Marth has a very good edge guard game one of the best if not the best. Shiek has gay invicble frames and keeps it hard for marth to edge guard Shiek. other wise Marth can kill shiek pretty fair with combos but shiek proably has better combos on marth then vice versa just like Aznlancelord said.


And about Falco vs shiek They are Rated the same against shiek but IMO falco ownz shiek with a lot of combos and imo laser>needles. Falco has a lot of prioty campared to shiek. pretty much tho falco combos own shiek but it is deffiently not a even match

 

[FrostByte]

Falco can hardly approach sheik safely. Sheik's ftilt has more prioroty than any physical attack Falco has. The fact that Falco doesn't get combo'd at low % doesn't mean he will tech when he falls to the ground. Most Falcos won't tech after getting hit by certain attacks, leading to more setups. Sheik's uthrow ***** fast fallers.

As for needles, they can eat through lasers easily. A person's awareness will usually stem from left to right (or right to left) and will not process needles that are coming at an angle and are almost invisible faster than a big red laser. Sheik beats Falco at edgeguarding simple beacuase edgeguarding sheik is a chore.

Not saying that Falco doesn't combo sheik. But after having stock(s) taken, sheik can come back with an equailser (and not get gimped off the stage like Fastfallers would) more frequently than any other character in this game.

 

[Aesir]

Marth vs sheik is easy..

Ftilt, down tilt, grab, fair, down smash..

Easy.

 

[Howls]

One thing to note is that you really can't Dash dance or wave dash because of her needles, and her weak point is from below, so using platforms to your advantage is a good thing. Battlefield is a great counter pick as well.

FD is not your friend in this match up

 

[Fade016]

One thing to note is that you really can't Dash dance or wave dash because of her needles, and her weak point is from below, so using platforms to your advantage is a good thing. Battlefield is a great counter pick as well.

FD is not your friend in this match up

That is very true i never have any time to Dash dance against shiek therefore forces me to approach and does not give me enough time to think.


Falco has one of the best approaches and SHL on shiek will own ftilt. so SHL shine to combos = gg shiek.

 

[flaco]

well marth and sheik are a bad battle well if you main marth becarful sheik is a hard oppenent for marth you will only have a good advantage on the air agaisnt sheik lunch him and keep in the air and raise his level and then just get him off the stage but remember sheik moves faster and has some good poriti in some aspect so becarful and time your attack in good time

 

[Aesir]

One thing to note is that you really can't Dash dance or wave dash because of her needles, and her weak point is from below, so using platforms to your advantage is a good thing. Battlefield is a great counter pick as well.

FD is not your friend in this match up

THis is bad and good advice.

1. no dash dancing is still good against sheik and effective, wavedash whatever it's still useful. It's not like her needles are worse then falcos lasers they're no where near as bad.

2. Battlefield isn't so great imo, you want yoshi story defiantly yoshi story

3. FD Is defiantly not your friend.

Things that will work?

Grabs, lots of them.
Grab, Uthrow, utilt
or
Grab, uthrow, wait for DJ, uair
Sheiks will almost always try to DJ to avoid the utilt.

abuse your range if you can't space you lose simple as that.

almost all your kills will come from edge guards learn to mix them up.

little note, no one can sweet spot the ledge against marths fsmash, just thought I'd throw that out there.

 

[sakuraZaKi]

Like what everyone else said, Shiek vs. Marth is a really tough one...

Try to avoid being grabbed or else... your pretty much done for (if the shiek player isn't d-throw happy, then your fine, but eventually shiek'll learn).

also, try keeping shiek in the air, marths air combos DOMINATE shiek no matter how "gay" the shiek is because of his superior air game (f-airs and such). this also means that you should avoid being attacked on the ground. (that is if you know what you are doing)

in the hands of a really good shiek: shiek + ground combos = stock gone in 4 seconds

oh and another thing. you should DEFINITELY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SHIEK'S RECOVERY TECHNIQUE!!!
watch vids of ken or some other marth pro against a shiek and see how they take full advantage over shieks recovery, whether it be mindgames, edgehogging, whatever.