Shmooguy
Smash Champion
I think Sheik vs Marth is the most one-sided matchup out of all the top characters (meaning fox, falco, marth, sheik).
Aesir, I assume you're a Sheik main?
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Marth vs shiek
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Aesir, I assume you're a Sheik main?
Aesir
Smash Master
It is >_>I don't..lol
When marth doesn't knowhow to DI yes.
It isn't it isn't even close to being one sided. Granted sheik has an advantage but it's pretty close to even.
and no I main marth >_>
I play with a pretty campy and gay sheik too.
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Guest
marth vs sheik is only as hard for marth as it is to avoid dashattack grab and needles.
Vincent Vega
Smash Journeyman
Lol when I was a silly Sheik main I used to think the match up wasn't so bad. It's not so much that Sheik completely combos the crap out of Marth and can edge guard very easy but more so the main problem for me is it's **** hard to kill Sheik.. =/
Ryan-K
Smash Master
Well to be fair Aiser top tier matchups aren't very one sided in the first place so thats not really saying much
NeighborhoodP
Smash Hero
KDJ is KDJ and apparently retired. Dazwa yeah, but I didn't know about him until he broke out at VLS. And he doesn't have a lot of recent vids unless I'm missing some =/
I've never played him though while I've played Hayato.
Plank, Wobbles, S-Royal, Knivez... I'm pretty sure he's one of the better Falcos in the country ^^ (obv you know this, but people not in so cal don't)
lol @ Sheik not owning Marth hard
Aesir
Smash Master
Marth combos sheik well, and edgeguards her well too.
On FD sheik beats marth so bad it isn't even funny.
Yet take any stage with platforms and the match up becomes very close.
NeighborhoodP
Smash Hero
Aesir, you going to pound 3? Let's mm, sheik v marth, you can show me how close the matchup is.
edit: at least $5, tho i'm fine with any dollar amount up to $20
edit: at least $5, tho i'm fine with any dollar amount up to $20
Aesir
Smash Master
sure 5 sound good? >_>
FrostByte
Smash Lord
And actually attack sheik until a good enough percent to kill. Edgeguarding in this matchup is one of the most annoying things ever. If it's last stock and you're both at high %, sheik wins because of a super fast, low lag KO aerial that Marth doesn't have. Edgeguarding Marth as Sheik is a different story though. A nair will probably stop his recovery. Even when he's recovers on stage, Sheik can Ftilt/random combo starter - Fair if he DI-s toward Sheik or just Dsmash if he DI-s away.
Impact009
Smash Journeyman
Sheik vs. Marth isn't one-sided, though Sheik has a slight advantage. They both combo and edgeguard each other very well, though I'd have to say that Sheik's setups will give her an easier time controlling the match.
Aesir
Smash Master
^ thats more a less what I wanted to say..
Though I find the match up fun because theres lots of thinking involved the marth really does have to work his *** off.
Though I find the match up fun because theres lots of thinking involved the marth really does have to work his *** off.
NeighborhoodP
Smash Hero
It's pretty one-sided. Marth has to play it a lot more perfectly to have a chance, which should be the definition of advantages / disadvantages.
JesiahTEG
Smash Master
This seems like a very good explanation to me. I like hearing good explanations like this, even if it's not on topic cuz I always learn something.
JesiahTEG
Smash Master
This is how I fight Sheik using Marth.
It's hard for me to fight them straight up, one on one, in the middle of the stage, so I focus on putting them in bad positions, and making the most out of those opportunities. For example, Edgeguarding, Tech Chasing, Platforms etc. I just really practice being able to make the most out of those situations, so that I make up for how much I suck at just fighting vs Sheik. This is probably pretty obvious, but yeah, just my 2cents. I had to double post too, cuz my comp was being weird and not letting me edit. Sorry.
It's hard for me to fight them straight up, one on one, in the middle of the stage, so I focus on putting them in bad positions, and making the most out of those opportunities. For example, Edgeguarding, Tech Chasing, Platforms etc. I just really practice being able to make the most out of those situations, so that I make up for how much I suck at just fighting vs Sheik. This is probably pretty obvious, but yeah, just my 2cents. I had to double post too, cuz my comp was being weird and not letting me edit. Sorry.
Acro
Smash Ace
its an even matchup if the marth is smart and spaces. end of discussion.. yeah it blows for shiek if you can keep her in the air... nothing to do but try and spam needles to get back down
Retroking2000
Smash Master
Marth vs Sheik is a ****ed up match but it is doable. That guy is very right. A lot of up throws into up tilts. If you can get her to lose her jump, you can really keep her up there. The sword dance works well on her too. If you grab most of the game then around 80 % come in on her, she most likly side step and thats when you do your sword dance and she will most likly get hit by the third swing which will send her flying. Try to follow your cancles with a down tilt. The sheik will try grab you after arrials but that down tilt will mess her up everytime.
Marth vs sheik is all Grabs and juggling; yes. It's also helpful if you can edge-guard well. The key to edge-guarding a shiek, however oxymoronic that may sound, is to keep up the pressure off the platform. Always try to take the edge-hog opportunity, and take it early; trying too late could end in your doom through a well timed slap against the side of the level. If you're not into that, then the idea is to pressure her into using the vanish before she wants to. Those invincibility frames are what makes her so hard to nuke otherwise. If you can force her to miss a sweetspot, you've got it nailed. B-airs out of edge-hog work nicely for that; which is why I advise taking the ledge. Otherwise, you'll just have to rely on your range to deal the damage to Shiek; it's easier to send her out with a well placed f-tilt than an f-smash. Those shieks are always looking for an attack to punish, and Marth's f-smash is the one that makes their mouths water. F-airs are nice, as are u-tilts and d-tilts; d-tilts to push her out of grabbing range. And of course, as always, if your opponent gets predictable, make good use of the wavedash to f-smash. Mindgames > Technical skill =)
but in general as a lead in.
Sword dance can shread crouch cancelling if yu do it fast anough and finish correctly.In my experience fighting Sheik, Marth has 2 things that help him most in this match up. Forward aerial and grab. Those are easily my most successful moves against Sheik players, and not coincidentally are two of Marth's best moves. Just do what you can, and use plenty of grabs.
If you were willing to put the time in
practice using tipped and non-tipped forward aerial, and combos from up throw (don't know how well tech chasing from forward or down throw works, but you could practice that, especially because it could potentially lead to a tipper). also, you'll really want to avoid being grabbed by sheik, because that's her easiest way to combo you. keep her at the range of your tipped fair...
I SAY USE FOX AND **** THAT HOE ~
Marth vs sheik is all Grabs and juggling; yes. It's also helpful if you can edge-guard well. The key to edge-guarding a shiek, however oxymoronic that may sound, is to keep up the pressure off the platform. Always try to take the edge-hog opportunity, and take it early; trying too late could end in your doom through a well timed slap against the side of the level. If you're not into that, then the idea is to pressure her into using the vanish before she wants to. Those invincibility frames are what makes her so hard to nuke otherwise. If you can force her to miss a sweetspot, you've got it nailed. B-airs out of edge-hog work nicely for that; which is why I advise taking the ledge. Otherwise, you'll just have to rely on your range to deal the damage to Shiek; it's easier to send her out with a well placed f-tilt than an f-smash. Those shieks are always looking for an attack to punish, and Marth's f-smash is the one that makes their mouths water. F-airs are nice, as are u-tilts and d-tilts; d-tilts to push her out of grabbing range. And of course, as always, if your opponent gets predictable, make good use of the wavedash to f-smash. Mindgames > Technical skill =)
but in general as a lead in.
Sword dance can shread crouch cancelling if yu do it fast anough and finish correctly.In my experience fighting Sheik, Marth has 2 things that help him most in this match up. Forward aerial and grab. Those are easily my most successful moves against Sheik players, and not coincidentally are two of Marth's best moves. Just do what you can, and use plenty of grabs.
If you were willing to put the time in
practice using tipped and non-tipped forward aerial, and combos from up throw (don't know how well tech chasing from forward or down throw works, but you could practice that, especially because it could potentially lead to a tipper). also, you'll really want to avoid being grabbed by sheik, because that's her easiest way to combo you. keep her at the range of your tipped fair...
I SAY USE FOX AND **** THAT HOE ~
Impact009
Smash Journeyman
Marth vs. Sheik and Marth vs. Fox are my two favoriate match-ups. I main a Fox, but those matches usually bore me if I'm not playing. There's just something about gracefulness going against speed.
Edit: What happened to the OP? Were you able to finally defeat his Sheik?
Edit: What happened to the OP? Were you able to finally defeat his Sheik?
FrostByte
Smash Lord
This is basically saying"it's an even matchup if the Marth plays better than the Sheik." So what if the Sheik plays smart and spaces themselves correctly?
Impact009
Smash Journeyman
Then you'd have a very interesting match. 
Aesir
Smash Master
Then it's fun, theres no more boring then a sheik that has no idea what it's doing.
Retroking2000
Smash Master
lol dggvcvdsdf
JesiahTEG
Smash Master
Heh, tears I see those letters, the black ones. They can't hide from me. ^_^
FrostByte
Smash Lord
M2 vs Sheik is also "fun" then.
Ever notice how you may do a **** combo on sheik only to be tiltslapped to death? At high %, all sheik needs is a grab. Sheik can also needle the crap out of Marth's recovery.
Maybe it's something a little birdie told me about eurosheiks being smarter...
Aesir
Smash Master
lolwut?
Thats not even close to the same, mewtwo has no chance LOL.
Link vs Sheik is closer to Marth vs Sheik.
Fair beats everything she has. and sheik only needles his recovery if marth is in the way of the needle, she can only shoot them diagonally down, and straight across. that leaves with a lot of room. Unless of course they're going out of their way to hit you with a needle then I could see that being a major problem.
They very well might be. lol
Retroking2000
Smash Master
My Comments In Red
hey aesir have you got any matches on youtube ?
**** it you are too smart
not smarter just displaced mental aspect . its hard for europeans to learn moves of a US site because of PAL differences, the US sheiks have that easy dthrow to set up almost any of their combos , where as PAL sheiks have different forces to work with .
ROFL
hey aesir have you got any matches on youtube ?
Aesir
Smash Master
^ I have nothing but old matches, like 3 months? is the latest one.
They were during my whole "LOL AGGRESSIVE MARTH" stage.
They were during my whole "LOL AGGRESSIVE MARTH" stage.
FrostByte
Smash Lord
What type of fair? Rising shfairs don't hit if Sheik is ccing, single fairs can be outranged (or outprioritised, whichever way you look at it) by Sheik's ftilt. Approaching fairs can get you tilt/jabslapped, retreating fairs are good, but they aren't as effective as needles. Full jump fairs will get you *****. Keep in mind this isn't a reality, though you'd imagine a sheik who would "capitalise on your every mistake" with this kind of mindset.
Marth will always, at a certain point be vunerable to needle fire.
Aesir
Smash Master
Again lolwut?
Unless the sheik just sits there throwing needles at you then retreating fairs will always work. This is where playing smart comes in, I'm not saying fairs are an end all solution, but when you do it right it gives sheik less options.
Unless it's FD.
retreating fairs can not be out prioritized by sheik. Unless she hits you with needles. in which case the sheik is an idiot for just sitting there charging and throwing needles.
There are points where sheik can't hit with needle fire. >_> they lack versatility. It's not like y.links bow that can hit on every angle.
NeighborhoodP
Smash Hero
retreating fairs = sheik dash attack. it's easy to catch marth without his jump then and slap for the kill.
Aesir
Smash Master
^ How often does that happen though? from personal experience thats happen to me, once a set a tops. >_>
Unless I'm just not thinking then it happens a lot more. Both Marth and sheik never use their DJ in this match up the first one who does lost the stock >_>
Unless I'm just not thinking then it happens a lot more. Both Marth and sheik never use their DJ in this match up the first one who does lost the stock >_>
FrostByte
Smash Lord
Marth doesn't have a standard aerial KO attack.
Aesir
Smash Master
Edge guarding...
why are you and I even having this discussion? Lol we play two completely different versions LOL.
why are you and I even having this discussion? Lol we play two completely different versions LOL.
FrostByte
Smash Lord
I'm bored. And there aren't any other interesting topics in the Marth section.
Aesir
Smash Master
Ohh I see LOL.
More a less against marth vs sheik I find fair camping and grabbing usually gets the job done. aka azen style. >_>
More a less against marth vs sheik I find fair camping and grabbing usually gets the job done. aka azen style. >_>
The Last Dragon
Smash Apprentice
The sheik I play against thinks he is INVINCIBLE. He keeps dash attacking me until he get an opening, but he aint getting no openings cos I grab his FACE. And every time he jumps I fair him DEAD!!!
Aesir
Smash Master
Right try an intelligent sheik >_>
JesiahTEG
Smash Master
Dang dude, you must be mad good. I never thought of that. Grab Sheik, and when they jump Fair them. I should try that...Grab, and Fair when they jump. Sweet, thanks man.
Are you serious?