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Smash Lord
oya i guess that works too lol
i'm not too good with falco's grab game, gotta work on that
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Mangos Falco Advice
- Thread starter MaNg0
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i'm not too good with falco's grab game, gotta work on that
Life After Death
Smash Champion
up throw is good if their under nontech % cuz u can up throw jump shine thne and start the waveshine combo. dont try to f throw much if they aint at teching %. f throw is useful when they can tech out of it. if they dont tech out of it for for a spike if they tech f smash tech chase. if they tech too far from u run up and spike em then it popos em up 4 a f smash and u get the kill. this mostly applies to spacies.
Life After Death
Smash Champion
if u really wanna learn how to fight fox. watch shiz vs fox. him vs fox is like beautiful art. double jump lasers ***** fox watch shiz do it.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=204336
Spaceman_Spiff
Smash Cadet
- Joined
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What is a good idea against a Doc that uses more pills than Michael Jackson? Too soon?
But seriously, Doc's lame. I need help.
But seriously, Doc's lame. I need help.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
your lasers > pills.
camp him back
camp him back
PB&J
Smash Hero
there are vidsof lambchops vs dogysamich, watch that
fixed
also, why did my post make that guy sad
also, if people want complicated advice, there's always my thread
TresChikon
Smash Lord
Get close enough so that you're a threat and if he keeps pillaging just hit him out of it.
x After Dawn x
Smash Master
Just **** him.
Spaceman_Spiff
Smash Cadet
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Thanks everyone who replied, the Doc in question is obviously a better player than I am, so I'm sure that the easy answer is "get better".
The bairs seem like a good idea, I seemed to have the most luck platform camping and spacing bairs. I will watch those vids for sure PB&J, thanks.
What about stages? I banned FD and took him to Battlefield when I fought him in tourney, I was considering Yoshi's but I was afraid of suicides, I was SDing a lot that day.
The bairs seem like a good idea, I seemed to have the most luck platform camping and spacing bairs. I will watch those vids for sure PB&J, thanks.
What about stages? I banned FD and took him to Battlefield when I fought him in tourney, I was considering Yoshi's but I was afraid of suicides, I was SDing a lot that day.
Yoshi's also sucks because the entire stage is an edge and so it's easy for Doc to get you off stage. Battlefield's a wise choice unless you wanna be a real ******* and take him to Pokefloats.
x After Dawn x
Smash Master
Anything to win, son!
I agree.
I didn't Pokefloats Mikey Lenitia after he Mute Citied me at SNES and I'm convinced that that decision cost me the match. do what you gotta do I guess...
I didn't Pokefloats Mikey Lenitia after he Mute Citied me at SNES and I'm convinced that that decision cost me the match. do what you gotta do I guess...
Mikey Lenetia
Smash Champion
It's Lenetia, by the way.
I forget what we banned... and for some reason forgot that Pokefloats was even legal at SNES. Ah well. You almost beat me at Mute with Marth, if I remember right... But I could be wrong.
blast_ssbb
Smash Ace
so im like in love wit jungle japes now, im debating using it as a counterpick opinions? i like all the different ledges for recovering to and the river when im too far lets me firebird to just the right angle, also when ppl have too good DI, nairs lead into dairs right over the water, and if all else fails aweseom room for camping.
opinions?
opinions?
choknater
Smash Obsessed
who is chops on the boards
mango if im gonna fight samus (since i cant really beat her with ic's all the time) with falco, and i wanna approach
is there a safe way to get on her shield? or should i just not attack her shield? like in case of up-B. i know samus doesnt ALWAYS up B but i just know that she has the option, and i wanna know how to avoid it so i can continue pressuring her. like are dairs or nairs on her shield ever safe? maybe if u space them right?
mango if im gonna fight samus (since i cant really beat her with ic's all the time) with falco, and i wanna approach
is there a safe way to get on her shield? or should i just not attack her shield? like in case of up-B. i know samus doesnt ALWAYS up B but i just know that she has the option, and i wanna know how to avoid it so i can continue pressuring her. like are dairs or nairs on her shield ever safe? maybe if u space them right?
stingers
Smash Obsessed
on samus...just approach with lasers. if you hit the shield with a laser...don't go any further @.@
ihavespaceblondes
Smash Master
Run up, turn around, and space bairs in her face. Seriously it's so ****ing broken.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
hm lasers and bairs
ahah ok
so i basically shouldnt go on top of her shield then
thats what i was asking, thanks
ftilt would probably be good too then huh
stingers
Smash Obsessed
her ftilt beats yours...be careful
choknater
Smash Obsessed
oh D: does it?
well i was thinking like, laser to ftilt, which is a generic safe falco approach against a lot of characters
it would seem hard for samus to respond to that
but yea i getcha (since i have been ftilted by peaches after a laser before i could jab or ftilt myself)
well i was thinking like, laser to ftilt, which is a generic safe falco approach against a lot of characters
it would seem hard for samus to respond to that
but yea i getcha (since i have been ftilted by peaches after a laser before i could jab or ftilt myself)
stingers
Smash Obsessed
well...if a samus sees you approaching with a laser...they're either gonna wait in shield to see if you approach more or retreat because samus can't compete with falco like that...
if you ftilt their shield you'll usually be fine (unless you're playing hugs or something and he'll prolly up-b your ftilt cuz he's hugs), if they wd back oos and you ftilt the air thats when they can start bein aggressive...ftilt is fast but samus has some pretty fast stuff too
just be careful
if you ftilt their shield you'll usually be fine (unless you're playing hugs or something and he'll prolly up-b your ftilt cuz he's hugs), if they wd back oos and you ftilt the air thats when they can start bein aggressive...ftilt is fast but samus has some pretty fast stuff too
just be careful
JPOBS
Smash Hero
lol i love how on smashboards, people ALWAYS show up in the right place at the right time. IHSB, in this thread, right as we start talking bout samus. too good.
ihavespaceblondes
Smash Master
Laser -> ftilt tends to work if you space right. Some Samus (me for instance) will be wding out of shield the instant the laser hits, and so you'll land and get hit by the wd back -> *whatever*
So make sure you react to what your opponent is doing. But if you've conditioned them to wait in their shield after the laser, or if they just do it b/c that's how they play, expecting a shffl'd aerial (aka free upB oos), it's a great way to **** with them.
Also you can dair through and past their shield and be safe from the upB. Just don't try your usual pillar ****, it doesn't work.
Also I'm subscribed to this thread because Falco's fun as **** to play and I could always use Mango advice to make mine better.
So make sure you react to what your opponent is doing. But if you've conditioned them to wait in their shield after the laser, or if they just do it b/c that's how they play, expecting a shffl'd aerial (aka free upB oos), it's a great way to **** with them.
Also you can dair through and past their shield and be safe from the upB. Just don't try your usual pillar ****, it doesn't work.
Also I'm subscribed to this thread because Falco's fun as **** to play and I could always use Mango advice to make mine better.
KILLA.FOR.CASH.
Smash Champion
if u want to beat a samus with falco 100% of the time
dont approach lol just spam lasers. but if u want to be cool and not be gay then its not hard to space aerials on their shield away from their upb range.
dont approach lol just spam lasers. but if u want to be cool and not be gay then its not hard to space aerials on their shield away from their upb range.
x After Dawn x
Smash Master
Jungle Japes is like Falco's best stage lol
If you can use it well (like Forward used to), then by all means use it. But make sure you don't get ***** / gimped on it, cause Falco can get gimped really easily on it. Also, practice your techs on it if you do use it, I guarantee you it will save your life at some point.
no it's not, it's not even a good stage for him.
I never once saw Foward CP someone to JJ, I can only think of 1 match where Darkrain took him there and went Fox and got his **** packed in.
Cute Illusion tricks =/= good.
TheKneeOfJustice
Smash Lord
Thank you lol. It's not even close to an option for him when you could go to a stage like Corneria.
^this
Marth and Sheik can gimpyou so easily because you can't really mix your recovery up (if you drop into the water you usualy die) + Sheik can camp on the side platforms pretty well (avoid lasers by going onto the ledge
Fox has Shine
Peach/Jiggs are hard to gimp if they aren't stupid + jiggs can stay invincible if she wants to be gay
yeah that's it
I usually pick Marth there and try to get grabs near the ledges of the big central platform.
This way i won a friendly against Falco in 0:32 xP
dthrow --> water edgeguard
dthrow --> klaptrap edgeguard
SD from Falco
dthrow --> fsmash
=D
Marth and Sheik can gimpyou so easily because you can't really mix your recovery up (if you drop into the water you usualy die) + Sheik can camp on the side platforms pretty well (avoid lasers by going onto the ledge
Fox has Shine
Peach/Jiggs are hard to gimp if they aren't stupid + jiggs can stay invincible if she wants to be gay
yeah that's it
I usually pick Marth there and try to get grabs near the ledges of the big central platform.
This way i won a friendly against Falco in 0:32 xP
dthrow --> water edgeguard
dthrow --> klaptrap edgeguard
SD from Falco
dthrow --> fsmash
=D
soap
Smash Hero
use those lil baby jump advancing lasershm lasers and bairs
ahah ok
so i basically shouldnt go on top of her shield then
thats what i was asking, thanks
ftilt would probably be good too then huh
then after a laser at the right distance, shine turn sh backwards and space falling bair.
dont do rising bair asap unless u read a jump. delay the bair for pressure
AS far as japes. I think its pretty good for falco. he can laser camp and wall bairs to make it hard to approach over the pits. then illusion tricksy runaway tactics.
i took cosmo to japes once and he went falco. i needled his illusion tricks for gimps a couple times lmao.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
oooo japes against samus sounds like a really good idea
Japes for falco is ridiculous, he can move so fast around that stage.
Dear Mango or any other Falco player who knows their ****,
I'm just learning falco and am going to try to use him as my main. however, I have some issues that i really need help with. First off, **** peach and marth. What do I do with a marth who simply camps the ledge? I always seem to fall into a trap and get ***** in that situation. And my issue with peach is my approach. I'm not as consistent with my L-canceling as I want to be, and because of that, her Dsmash is quite scary. Is there any way to deal with her until i become more proficient with my l-canceling?
Sincerely,
Sox
I'm just learning falco and am going to try to use him as my main. however, I have some issues that i really need help with. First off, **** peach and marth. What do I do with a marth who simply camps the ledge? I always seem to fall into a trap and get ***** in that situation. And my issue with peach is my approach. I'm not as consistent with my L-canceling as I want to be, and because of that, her Dsmash is quite scary. Is there any way to deal with her until i become more proficient with my l-canceling?
Sincerely,
Sox
blast_ssbb
Smash Ace
well mogwai is just gonna tell u to camp moar wit lasers and mangos gonna tell u to get better :D which is prob the best advice any of us can give u.
if anything dont go for the shine after u approach wit dair or nair so if u miss the l cancel u dont eat 6 hits from her downsmash and honestly just tell ur friend whos camping the ledge to stop camping or ur gonna camp him and hes gonna get the short end of the deal if u play on a big stage like dreamland, ps, or corneria.
falco is actually prob one of the easier chars to commit to finger memory so just practice practice practice!
on the subject of jungle japes:
mogwai - i gave many reasons why i liked it, i guess i shouldve asked for counter thoughts instead of opinions cuz just "its a bad stage for him" doesnt really help me understand where ur coming from
falcinho - everything u mentioned about the high tiers they have on every other stage except that other stages dont give u 6 ledges to recover to so ur much moar limited in ur options. any char isnt gonna camp a ledge without some kind of cool trick like shieks up b stalling cuz unless they maintain perma invincibility (which makes them predictable) then the klaptrap will screw them up. plus that example u gave of marth vs falco makes it seem like that falco is either a lvl 1 cp or doesnt know how to fight marth if he keeps running into grabs on the edge. i mean regardless of the stage u do that on ur dead.
I am in no way trying to flame anyone im just giving counter arguments cuz im really curious about jungle japes as ive had quite a bit of success on it vs c.falcon, jiggs, and marth. meh watever ill be the only falco that likes that stage :D
quick edit: idk how all of u can agree that pokefloats is good but jungle japes gets u gimped >.> i think all the high tiers except peach have much easier time vs u on pokefloats :D
CAMP MOAR!
seriously though, there's no solution for not being able to consistently l-cancel. if you try to adjust your game around your inability to l-cancel, it'll hurt you in the long run once you get it down as you'll now have terrible habits that you developed to deal with your temporary problem. Just play play play and use dair -> shine and dair -> dtilt vs. CCing peaches until you get it down. Trust me, eating 60% for every failed l-cancel will just be a good incentive to learn how to do it.
Marth cannot camp you. you have a gun, you shoot him and then look at him while he sits by the ledge. you look at him all dai, all 7 minutes if you have to, but there is no reason for the guy with the gun to let the other guy pick his spots. the whole reason you have your neutral B is to pick the spots where you are inevitably going to 0-death your opponent, so it should never be by the edge because Falco is not comfortable there. You can be civil and just tell the guy to stop camping you, but I'm a big advocate of the "**** that, I'm gonna shoot the **** out of you in friendlies" approach to dealing with other forms of camping.
because Pokefloats is infinitely huge and you never have to stop running away. you can also camp sections of pokefloats such that your opponent can only approach you vertically where Falco is the best (dair + utilt = get *****). peach won't gimp me on Pokefloats, I know the stage and how to be a huge campy dickbag, the stages are so different in how you play them that they aren't even comparable.
Japes is just random and silly. Illusion tricks are cute, but they're not really useful vs. people who know what they're doing, and that's the only thing that's unique to Japes. ultimately, it doesn't provide any truly useful advantages that you wouldn't get from say Dreamland or Kongo Jungle, and in the meantime, you have to deal with the fact that you're stuck in a game of Russian Roulette with your opponent in who's gonna get ****ed by Klap Trap first.
Mogwai, thanks for the advice. Also, it's not that I can't Lcancel, it's just that i really don't like taking that 60% if i mess it up, so i was looking for ways around it. And for the marth, what I ment was that if the marth gets a stock lead, he just camps the ledge making me approach. Is there any way around that? If not, what can I do to bring them up to the middle of the stage?
x After Dawn x
Smash Master
lmao, too good. think I might siggy that