[MAJOR] Reloaded VIII - July 16th 2011 (Adelaide) 1ST PLACE NOW $1000

[Corpsecreate]

Calculator.

15,000 dollars.

You'd need a personal loan for that.

Massive fail if u cant do 125x120 without a calculator...

 

[luke_atyeo]

massive fail if you call people out on maths skills (unless they are jewish)

 

[Redact]

Massive fail that corpse and the other guys can't get obvious sarcasim the second maths is involved

 

[Remastered]

Can I just confirm now that there is no LGL for any character? That's what the ruleset says, and if it's for a $k, plenty of people, (including my MK) are going to be hanging off that ledge.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Meta Knight will have a ledge-grab limit of 35. No other character will have a ledge-grab limit.

As far as I know, infinites aren't banned either.

 

[Remastered]

Prob needs to be updated in the rules then?

If no other char has an LGL, I'm gonna play DK. Reloaded just got winnable for a scrub like me .

No infinite ban either? Snakes are gonna cry if I get that grab with D3 then.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

First: Good luck with that DK planking. There is a reason it isn't banned here, it's quite easily beatable.

Second: There is no way in hell you can pull-off the Snake/D3 infinite chain-grab. It is humanly impossible.

 

[Leisha]

Nova isn't changing the rules. It's like 35 mk and that's all. I wouldn't be concerned anyway because me and grim are probably the only people who will abuse it. Plus my planking sucks I've only timed out ice climbers because grabs suck balls.

 

[Remastered]

First: Regardless of whether it can be beaten with a few chars, no LGL promotes so much sadness in a tourney that has huge hype and prize money. Let's all watch these matches unfold before our sleeping eyes.

Second: It definitely isn't impossible. D3 loves the infinites, so I won't say anything more about that.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

It can be beaten by EVERY character. Meta Knight is the only character who has broken planking, so he is the only character who gets a ledge-grab limit. The point of these rules isn't to make the game more interesting, otherwise we'd have rules like Meta Knight isn't allowed to use Mach Tornado against DK, for example.

Just so we are on the same page here, I'm talking about this infinite. Are you referring to the same one?

Because that one is 100% impossible for humans to do.

 

[dean.]

I don't know about 'impossible', considering there's anecdotal evidence in the Dedede boards thread about a select few managing to do it semi-consistently.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Anecdotal evidence?

Frame 1: Back on Control Stick
Frame 2: Neutral on Control Stick
Frame 3: Down on Control Stick
Frame 4: Neutral on Control Stick
Frame 5: Back on Control Stick
Frame 6: Neutral on Control Stick
Frame 7: Grab + Right on Control Stick

Yeah... no.

 

[Remastered]

I can do it, although only while D3 is facing right. My hand can't do the pattern properly facing the other way. I can usually do it quite well, and other days my hand just decides to be slow. There is also another QLDer who has managed to do it quite well too.

I probably won't use it in a tourney (because of the inconsistancy), but your missing my underhanded joke. Besides I'm more worried about no LGL.

 

[dean.]

It can be simplified.

Input 1: Diagonally down+back on control stick
Input 2: Down on control stick
Input 3: Diagonally down+back on control stick
Input 4: Down on control stick
Input 5: Diagonally down + forwards on control stick + grab

Less inputs and eliminates the need to move the stick back to neutral, as you can just roll the stick.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Besides I'm more worried about no LGL.

Non-MK planking is no more powerful than any defensive options other characters have such as Snake hiding behind grenades, Diddy behing bananas and Olimar behind his pivot grab. You have nothing to worry about.

It can be simplified.

Input 1: Diagonally down+back on control stick
Input 2: Down on control stick
Input 3: Diagonally down+back on control stick
Input 4: Down on control stick
Input 5: Diagonally down + forwards on control stick + grab

Less inputs and eliminates the need to move the stick back to neutral, as you can just roll the stick.

That's really cool, thanks for telling me

I take back what I said about it being impossible (well, I still believe the method that I thought you had to use is impossible, but what you said seems legit).

 

[Remastered]

Love how the $100 bet has just mysteriously disappeared lol.

Just voicing my thoughts on LGL that's all. When I saw that MK didn't even have one on the front page I was like :O !

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Got rid of the $100 thing cause I didn't realize there was an easier method

 

[Remastered]

Damn, was going to make some flight money back hehe. I can show you when I come down Grim if you like

 

[Grim Tuesday]

That'd be cool, thanks

 

[Leisha]

Im sure the chain grab is possible, but impossible to do consistently.

 

[Attila_]

im gonna say its impossible.

because it is.

seven inputs in 7 frames? then repeat 100 times?

yeah no.

as if d3 needs any extra help in that mu anyway.

kinda like this infinite, which is already declared impossible:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGGaGfJl72A

 

[Remastered]

Not to mention the 3 frame window to begin the inputs, and total 10 frame space to do them in at the end of the sit on your face animation, and then buffer a pummel to make it a true infinite. It is very hard to do over and over. You can do it to other chars though, however those chars (apart from squirtle) all have other options that are just better in almost all situations.

No Infinite ban is amazing.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Is Snake's single banana infinite much harder than Diddy's infinite, Attila?

Cause I know Ghostbone can do it as Diddy... Not consistently, but still

 

[Splice]

Can't Donkey Kong infinite D3 with something similair to the D3 CG mentioned above? idk

Anyway about LGL
It's good not to have a general one because it
allows characters like Pit and Jiggs to compete but still be lower than the A tiers in viability
And it doesn't boost any characters that are high tier exceptionally because theres normally better options, really...

If you can't deal with or enjoy the fun of beating someones planking, well that's something you need to work on, not the TO.

It also buffs GaW heaps to not have a LGL, but I'm not gonna use it because there are better things to do.

Except against Diddy.

Hi Tibs

 

[Attila_]

Is Snake's single banana infinite much harder than Diddy's infinite, Attila?

Cause I know Ghostbone can do it as Diddy... Not consistently, but still

Yes.

Theyre actually completely different.

Like, not even close.

Snakes is near frame perfect, and is continous once you start (i.e. Be frame perfect for about 30 second to net a kill), whereas Diddy has 5-6 frames to mess up his inputs.

In the video, the opponent isn't set to walk; the actual infinite has to be done much faster than that.

Not to mention with snake's infinite, the spacing is incredibly tight to get Diddy to roll the correct way. Like, upon landing, the banana must hit diddy's leg, cause the foot puts him out of reach and the torso makes him hit away. Stupid.

Iirc snake can't do his under platforms, but Diddy can (and I'm not playing Diddy on Fd).

AND finally, Diddy can start the infinite from a nana throw, snake must mindgame into a footstool somehow.

 

[zApollo]

Will update the OP.

I think ZSS has the easiest infinite using the bananas, and racks damage quickly as she can chuck in a d-smash or two before the footstool.

 

[Dekar289]

redact like myself hates wobbling more than tak
defs banned

 

[Dekar289]

jetstar ftw <3 nova

 

[Shaya]

I had a jetstar flight there and a tiger flight baclk,....

where the hell is this whole tiger grounded thing? I have not had one email or anything about it...

If i'm getting a full refund on the flight back that's fine, Tibs/attila can i stay at your place sunday night?

 

[Shaya]

Where does it say this? How do I work out a refund? ><

Okay... I read it.

Well I guess I'll be getting a refund.

Wow... all other air line fight prices are about to explode.
I think I'll just train to melbourne and fly back.

Maybe I was destined to win after all? LOL.

 

[Shaya]

Yeah guys... the jet star offer only applies to flights up until the 9th of july.

In other words, unless they change their offer, you can't get a jetstar flight as an alternative with that deal. (Unless you were flying a week early or something)

 

[Remastered]

With Jetstar & Virgin. Reloaded still agogo!

 

[CAOTIC]

i hope tiger dies along with their crappy terminals

 

[Shaya]

well.. for me... worst case scenario is I train to melbourne then train to sydney.
I have a flight there, at least.

Attila, house me in melbourne on sundayz.

 

[zApollo]

i hope tiger dies along with their crappy terminals

I agree, they should go back to Singapore.

 

[Ghostbone]

Snake's infinite on Diddy isn't impossible, it's the same one a bunch of other characters like Ness and D3 can do, and I've seen a japanese player do it in a match....

And Diddy's infinite is like impossible to set up anyway, you need to be spaced perfectly >.> From what I've seen of nagahari, he goes from the footstool infinite (the same one a bunch of other characters can do, including Snake) to the regular infinite.

 

[luke_atyeo]

you kids and your infintes, like you'll ever get them setup on a good player anyways.


but ted?
ohohoho he is going to go to ****ing town on you guys with the chaingrabs he discovered.

 

[Attila_]

Snake's infinite on Diddy isn't impossible, it's the same one a bunch of other characters like Ness and D3 can do, and I've seen a japanese player do it in a match....

And Diddy's infinite is like impossible to set up anyway, you need to be spaced perfectly >.> From what I've seen of nagahari, he goes from the footstool infinite (the same one a bunch of other characters can do, including Snake) to the regular infinite.

Wrong wrong wrong.

Snake has the slowest jump in the game. He also has incredibly poor aerial mobility. He also has a relatively high footstool height. He also has a slow item throw. He also has poor item grab range. He also has a wide stance when throws items down.

This changes everything.

Dont say something is easy until you've at least tried it. Especially when not a single player in the world has managed to do it.

And Diddy starts his infinite from a regular banana trip. It's also been used a fair bit at a number of top level tournaments.

You wrong.

 

[Ghostbone]

Wrong wrong wrong.

Snake has the slowest jump in the game. He also has incredibly poor aerial mobility. He also has a relatively high footstool height. He also has a slow item throw. He also has poor item grab range. He also has a wide stance when throws items down.

Fair enough, but I've seen a D3 do it, which would have to be close to the difficulty of doing it with Snake.

This changes everything.

Not really, just makes it harder.

Dont say something is easy until you've at least tried it. Especially when not a single player in the world has managed to do it.

lol when did I say it's easy? It's really ****ing hard, but I wouldn't say it's as hard as say, D3's infinite on Snake. Imo it's not impossible, just takes a lot of work (which could admittedly be spent practising things that actually matter lol, but still).

And Diddy starts his infinite from a regular banana trip. It's also been used a fair bit at a number of top level tournaments.

You wrong.

A banana trip in a really specific position, which is basically impossible to land unless you're specifically aiming to start it.... the most I've seen it used is in Japanese matches, and they pull an infinite off against Diddy as much as he pulls it off against them lol.

The only reliable set-up I know is when MK dash attacks your shield, and why would he rush up to you while holding a banana I'll never know. (or I guess if he tornadoes and lands right behind you...but again, that's the opponent being stupid).

 

[luke_atyeo]

do you guys really have so little to do that you would put in the countless hours to learn how to do these things anyways?