He must get through Mango/PP...I'd hope m2k can start taking sets off of Hbox/make their sets more interesting.(He beat hbox at Rom 3, which was a damn good while ago)
I hope what I heard about Hbox retiring is a rumor though.
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I hope what I heard about Hbox retiring is a rumor though.
Bones0
Smash Legend
Hbox did really well against Mango from what I could tell watching live. Hadn't had a chance to rewatch it yet, but I remember seeing a lot of good stuff.
And it's completely unrelated, but he clutched out that teams match with the Puff ditto.
And it's completely unrelated, but he clutched out that teams match with the Puff ditto.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
You need to get used to how many frames it takes to move certain significant increments of space when airborne.
Be aware that attacks override the momentum decay in Puff and Kirby's DJs. But each attack removes a different amount.
Get used to chaining aerials at low percents by cutting important paths or following a safe poke with another one.
Get good at hitting the end of your fair when you FF into it on opponents recovering low so you can combo into more fair.
Be good at FFing into low aerial spontaneously during the air. And with forward / back drifts and such.
Voltz
Smash Journeyman
Anyone have general Puff tips? (mostly how to combo into a rest on Peach).
Voltz
Smash Journeyman
Peach is probably the easiest character to drillrest in the game, assuming you can land the drill.Anyone have general Puff tips? (mostly how to combo into a rest on Peach).
Voltz
Smash Journeyman
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Puffs have no creativity
Obviously they should be able to, but Puff has great mobility so we can follow it up. What I actually mean't was that Peach is super easy to force into flipping and her flipping animation is long and her hurtbox becomes so huge you practically cannot miss the rest.I have noticed, but can Peach SDI it?
Tekk
Smash Lord
You've obviously never played me
Small local this week-end, I'll make sure I finally get something recorded
I wish I could participate more here, but I feel that everytime someone asks something it's either basic stuff we've gone over 300 times already, or really situational and accessory gimmicks. No offense meant, and I'm to blame as well if these boards aren't more active.
Uh... What do you guys think about straight rests (inb4 "as opposed to gay rests") ? That is to say rests that weren't set up by a combo-starting move like upair or uptilt. It's a part of puff's gameplay that I find both very efficient and risky, and I've worked quite a lot on it. Should resting at anytime possible be a priority for puffs ? Or do you think being the safest you can, and thus only going for 100% sure rests with minimum backfire is a better option ?
why don't you guys just make a FAQ in the OP or something then
Mahone
Smash Champion
i think u should always take the rest, ive seen u do some of that stuff and its always blown me away, i think it has a lot of potential
crush
Smash Master
sup b00m havent seen u in a minute lil n!gga
KrIsP!
Smash Champion
I just realized the reason for rest percent amount.
@tekk I still remember you resting that samus player while Go was still in the screen. Random rests too good, those are the ones people don't expect and Di like ****. However, i would be worried about going for them against grounded opponents in case they shield it.
@tekk I still remember you resting that samus player while Go was still in the screen. Random rests too good, those are the ones people don't expect and Di like ****. However, i would be worried about going for them against grounded opponents in case they shield it.
Tekk
Smash Lord
If your timing is right (like predicting a roll or something), they won't have time to shield, you only need 1 frame to rest someone.
KrIsP!
Smash Champion
Well is calling a roll really a random rest?
I will admit, good reaction timing is great for puff.
I will admit, good reaction timing is great for puff.
Mahone
Smash Champion
ya against peach ive tried to like predict a spotdodge or jump oos and then quickly confirm im right and rest...
its really hard, but i think its worth it
its really hard, but i think its worth it
Tekk
Smash Lord
Exactly ! That's why i think practicing fast characters like fox or falcon can really boost your puff.
She has a lot of potential for immediate counterstriking (English is so funny sometimes), like doing a quick dash pivot grab on a fox nairplaning, or PSing falco's dair into a rest (which is pretty situational though, you have to PS the first few frames of the move).
KrIsP!
Smash Champion
I've been practicing pikachu and definitely got my fingers moving faster but on the subject of fast secondaries, **** switching back to puff on a whim though. I can't do anything without like...ten seconds of shuffling
Yeah, the best thing about rest is the fear. I love it when someone over extends then says oh **** and runs away cause they forgot I had down b.
Yeah, the best thing about rest is the fear. I love it when someone over extends then says oh **** and runs away cause they forgot I had down b.
Bieber
Smash Apprentice
straight rests are pretty cool but they seem kinda gimmicky to me so i never really think to go for them in singles, but in teams it's a different story
there's a puff out here in the midwest named andale who's famous for the most wtf random rests...dude uses rest more than bair
can i get some help re: puff's combo game vs sheik? i've been playing with darkatma recently and i feel like i can outspace his sheik most of the time and get a lot of 1st hits in but he still usually beats me just because when he hits me he gets a nice little 2-3 piece combo out of it whereas i'm usually just poking at him with aerials. like i know once i get an up air or utilt i can combo the crap out of her but atma's good so he doesn't let me get those too much. most of my combos end up coming from d-throw --> platform shenanigans OR poke until she gets to 80% then nair --> fsmash --> edgeguard. what combo starters do you guys look for vs sheiks who won't give you the free u-air/u-tilt?
there's a puff out here in the midwest named andale who's famous for the most wtf random rests...dude uses rest more than bair
can i get some help re: puff's combo game vs sheik? i've been playing with darkatma recently and i feel like i can outspace his sheik most of the time and get a lot of 1st hits in but he still usually beats me just because when he hits me he gets a nice little 2-3 piece combo out of it whereas i'm usually just poking at him with aerials. like i know once i get an up air or utilt i can combo the crap out of her but atma's good so he doesn't let me get those too much. most of my combos end up coming from d-throw --> platform shenanigans OR poke until she gets to 80% then nair --> fsmash --> edgeguard. what combo starters do you guys look for vs sheiks who won't give you the free u-air/u-tilt?
Bones0
Smash Legend
I like to rest OoS the same as shining OoS. They have to be super deep on your shield obviously, but as a Falco I always try to go super deep to avoid grabs and bairs OoS, and to make sure I can chase WD OoS as best as possible. Puff's such a small target that it's pretty hard to pressure her without being inside rest OoS range. The whole concept of free-ballin' rests just seems really risky though. If matches started with 20 stocks, it'd be awesome to spam it all game as long as you can maintain > 50% consistency, but obviously it's much more make or break when you only have 4 stocks.
Mahone
Smash Champion
this isn't incredibly good advice but id rather say it than something you already know, but if you catch the sheik slippin, u can pound her in the air and get really good rests/combos off of that... obv not a spammable thing, but something that comes up
idk, in general i don't see why u feel the need to combo her so badly, it sounds like ur just spacing her out, then getting some dthrows when she sheilds and getting kill setups, so you should be winning, maybe you need to focus on the defense
just taking space should be good enough since u are really good when shes forced to the edge and eventually off stage, and if she is needing to get back to center stage a lot you should get more opportunities for upairs even if they are good
Prince_Abu
Smash Lord
this character sux im switching mains to fox
Bones0
Smash Legend
You'll be back.
Voltz
Smash Journeyman
Yeah, Puff is easier to be consistent with.
Krynxe
I can't pronounce it either
Good luck beating vanz with fox 
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^Pretty much this.
Keblerelf
Smash Ace
Tekk
Smash Lord
Lmao no you ain't
I got stuff recorded finally, some rests I wanted to share with these boards as well as my horrible horrible unexperienced fox
Kaizer
Smash Journeyman
<3
I think about changing to Fox every two-three months, and really never play that much puff unless there's a tourney incoming the next week or so. Somehow I think it helps my puff in some ways, because when I start training really hard with her again it's kind of like you got a blank sheet of paper, like looking at your character with new eyes. Things aren't that cluttered with regards to bad habits and stagnant playstyle. It feels more fresh to play her.
I think about changing to Fox every two-three months, and really never play that much puff unless there's a tourney incoming the next week or so. Somehow I think it helps my puff in some ways, because when I start training really hard with her again it's kind of like you got a blank sheet of paper, like looking at your character with new eyes. Things aren't that cluttered with regards to bad habits and stagnant playstyle. It feels more fresh to play her.
Voltz
Smash Journeyman
I use certain characters for certain MUs. I use Puff for consistency, Fox against Puff, Puff vs Peach (sometimes), Falco vs Fox, Shiek vs Ganon, etc.
KrIsP!
Smash Champion
Yoooooo....that's no way to improve. Unless it's working, then whatever.
Tekk
Smash Lord
Welp, matches are up on LeFrenchMelee, chic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-iMKNLJQyI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfQAq6Q_MRI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-iMKNLJQyI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfQAq6Q_MRI
Kaizer
Smash Journeyman
your puff is so funny
edit: i so called that shielddrop - uair rest
edit: i so called that shielddrop - uair rest
Bones0
Smash Legend
0:45 - I think you should go at Falco harder when he's lasering, especially by the ledge. He will pretty much have to shield since he has no good hitboxes to throw out in front of him when he's facing you, and even weak trades (like fair) are so scary for him.
5:15 - Yessssssss (u jelly Mahone?)
5:40 - He kept doing DJDLs onto side plats, and it seemed to hit you cause you kept going high. You probably could have stayed below side plat height and baired his feet as he lands, but maybe it would have just let him jump off the side plat and dair you at center stage, so idk. At least stop jumping into free laser damage every time.
5:48 - That's broken.
6:28 - I love when Puffs do that **** (except when it's done to me...).
7:20 - Bair dat jump OoS by the ledge, homie.
7:40 - Yessssss, I still love it. lol
I'll watch game 3 later. You make me sad I can't move properly with Puff. lol
idea
Smash Master
lol i saw the second one already from my youtube subscriptions, pretty fun to watch. making someone roll onto you then resting them is the best.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Puff is really hard to play. Fox's ease of play is half true, half myth. His freedom is tempting but the lack of structure can make decision-based misplays easy. His fragility is also something you're going to come to hate, especially vs hyper-punishment oriented players. Said fragility will be even more excruciating when they pick the one play that countered yours (seemingly by accident) and you lose a whole stock for it.
Good luck either way, though. You know I'm rooting for you! ^_^
Starting a combo on Sheik is mostly about hitting her out of the air with a move that possesses some form of combo potential. Mostly because she's going to generally be holding down on the ground (or shielding) for obvious reasons. This actually opens up a few pseudo combo starters (space an attack, wait for the counterattack, then go for the combo starter [uair, pound]) and drill > grab / other stuff but that kind of thing is less consistent. That said, more d-throw in the platform situation vs Sheik. And go for more than the rest.
That said, SH uair to out-time her fair is strong. It also conveniently works well vs her nair and bair in a lot of positions so there's that too because of how the former winds up being timed to maximize hitbox effectiveness, and because of how the hitboxes are arranged on the former.
If you can hit a relatively low, strong fair on her at low percent that's spaced to avoid her crouch options then you can usually 50/50 between baiting the crouch punish with a big play (jump away, react, pound if she does anything suspicious or go around her with the intention to uair) or grabbing her for shielding / remaining passive. She can counter this with movement-based defenses like jumping away, WDing away, or even rolling if space permits (Sheik's back roll is amazing) but few Sheiks do those.
If she's playing mostly ground, just try to control her so she winds up in the d-throw trap position or at the edge. Either will facilitate comboing, or you'll kill her outright with the gimp. Her air mobility is bad and her weight is perfect for offstage combos at any percent. And if you suck at those, doesn't matter anyway because her up+B lag screams for a rest and she doesn't even have a good punish on you so death isn't a worry until like 80%+
@ Tekk - I was referring more to people asking for ways to rest Peach. People list the obvious combo moves into rest that the initial inquirer more than likely already knows. Why not talk about some of the situational and creative ways to land rest on Peach? Gives you a little less transparency with your intention. And way more threat. With a character who's all about keeping the opponent on their toes. Keeping the possibility of death constantly hanging overhead is a good way to do that.