This post is where Ronike hops onto the Circus wagon. This puts Circus at 6 votes. The nearest person to him (in votes) is at 2 (tie beween Ronike himself and Cello).
6 votes? You're getting upset over 6 votes? That's only 2/3 the requirement for a lynch. It'd be one thing if I had put him at L-1, but my vote didn't even put him at L-2. There are plenty of reasons why Circus is at 5 votes. I dunno, maybe its because he's scummy.
Then,
here, Ronike calls out Circus for his reactions,
his breadcrumbing*, and for his
desire to end D1 early. This is somewhat (and by "somewhat," I mean "entirely") contradictory to his
very next post, wherein
Ronike admits that he wanted to end the day early. Apparently, it's good enough to lynch Circus for, but there's a completely town reason for wanting to do it, so Ronike isn't equally suspicious for it. He also nudges against me again in this post, without backing it up.
I already covered this, in fact Circus himself clarified it, and me saying "Yes I want to end the day early" was not a seperate point, but instead telling Circus that "Yes, that point was not directed at him". Not really that hard to miss man...
As to why I nudged you, just pointing out something scummy, just like how you then pointed out how in doing that I am a bit scummy myself. It was never supposed to be a full fledged attack.
*Ronike's
next post in the topic, the one following the one above wherein he used Circus' "breadcrumbing" as a reason to vote for him, says that
We need to stop trying to break this game... That's how people lost disney.... So breadcrumbing is a reason to vote for someone, but we shouldn't look for it?
Two things to this:
1) This was immediately after reading through the majority of Disney, so I think my mindset is understandable. If you don't know what happened in Disney, basically people were allowed to post pictures of their mod pms, so they tried to break the game by posting the pm. Then when that failed as Tom had given the mafia safe claims, they tried to check the time stamp. Mafia just photoshopped it. Then they tried to post their pm boxes, but not everyone could do it, so mafia just opted out with the rest. All in all, they focused so heavily on it that there was no scum hunting done by the end of that day, and nothing to really go on, so mafia coasted to an easy victory. I just don't want that to happen here.
2) Searching for breadcrumbs is fine, but what Kataefi did was too far. She tried to attack Circus for using common forum phrases saying "Oh, thats something a zombie might think/say". I realize she has said she just missed where it said scum know each other, but it still was hardcore reaching and an attempt to further push a far along wagon. I didn't want to encourage that, but I thought that making that point would be enough, but you decided to attack me for it...
Next, he
calls out Kat for his post about breadcrumbing, saying that even though Circus is still the play, Kat is dumb for noticing a possible breadcrumb.
1) It WASN'T a possible breadcrumb. Again, until you provide reason as to WHY it is a possible breadcrumb, it isn't as it is also common internet lingo.
2) How did I call her dumb? I asked for clarification, and showed why she was wrong barring me missing something. Way to try to make me look like an ******* though.
The interesting point here (to me) is that even if MOST of what Kat had to say was reaching, I still think that a "Quick Hits" followed by a list of names COULD be some kind of breadcrumb (and I disagree with frozen that there's only one possible way it could be a breadcrumb).
1) Did you read the post Circus linked to? It shows him using the phrase "quick hits" a week before this game even started in a different game.
2) Regardless, yes it could be a breadcrumb, and I did say that in my post.
Now, I don't think a scum-Circus WOULD breadcrumb if he's been caught doing it before, but who knows?
Seriously bad WIFOMing attempt here. If he's got people defending the breadcrumbing, why would he stop?
I would very much like to see any evidence of this.
K
4 zombies.
At any rate, I think what are strategy, at least today, should be is just get through it as fast as we can. Tomorrow the zombies start incaping people and we know who's clear and who's not and we can start judging from there. The lack of communication helps us a ton, as even if the zombies try to communicate their hit plans, its just as visible to survivors as it is to zombies.
Thoughts?
One of my first posts, it actually gave people something to think about rather than just randomly voting around.
Good point McFox. But I'm still more willing than usual to end this day fast.
Oh and the what I thought was obvious, but apparently not, is that who is not incapped is just as important, if not MORE important, than who is incapped, which is why I would rather just get this day over with. At least 2 clears + good leads.
To all that would be impaired by the survivor rule: Ignore it. Just think that if you are a major contributor to the town win, you've won. That's what Im doing.
More food for thought and a call for more activity and thought. A call you did not heed as you continued to go after people that didn't post their apocalypse plans.
No, think about it. I don't want to give scum more ideas than they can get on their own.
So... why the random vote? Trying to convey something? Unvote Vote Gheb
And showing that RVS stage wouldn't be tolerated, at least from me.
So yeah. Unlike you, I actually tried to give people things to think about, instead of just bugging people to spend a long time posting a zombie apocalypse plan when they could be using that time to think about mafia.
Nothing that reading the rules of the game wouldn't have yielded.
Just because people read the rules doesn't mean they think deeply about it. Proof of that is BI mafia. I was the only one to realize that the mafia win condition was essentially killing all Vig townies and that cops and bombs were cannon fodder. I've given people food for thought about the mechanics, pointing them in the right direction without directly revealing what I mean so as to not give the mafia too much information. Again, more than what YOU have done.
So are you saying you suspicious of anyone else other than Circus?
Yes, but I just finished saying why I'm not going to tell people, so why are you trying to get me to do so? If you're worried that you're on that list, rest assured that you are.
More calling out looking for breadcrumbs as being terrible, even though it's one of his reasons for voting Circus. He even specifically calls mentos' breadcrumb theory outrageous, even though, as I've said, it's one of his reasons for voting for Circus.
Um, no... Not at all in fact. That whole thing was a response to the previous post in which Katae said this:
Also @ronike... out of curiosity what makes my breadcrumbing theory more outrageous than mentos'? You agreed with that one which put you on the circus wagon in the first place. Both are just as coincidental - I'm keen on your answer.
She called it outrageous, so I used the same words to make sure everyone understood who and what I was responding to. So yeah, just calling the mistaken and outrageous breadcrumbs unviable and outrageous. Nothing more. Pretty simple to me.
So either you are skimming, or you are just picking and choosing to make me seem scummy... Interesting.
So here's my question. You give Kat two possibilities here, either
- 1) that he is scum trying to push a lynch on a TOWNIE, or
- 2) that he is scum trying to bus his partner.
You have laid out two separate scenarios here that you believe. In one of them, both Circus and Kat are scum: Circus for reasons stated above by you, and Kat for trying to bus his partner. But in the other scenario, Circus is innocently being pushed on, while Kat is still guilty. So, putting the two options together, there's a 50% chance that Circus is scum, while there's a 100% chance that Kat is. Why haven't you switched your vote?
Its called pressure mate. And I don't want to say anymore. So I won't
Like I said, I don't think a scum-Circus would be dumb enough to continue to try and breadcrumb, assuming that he was actually caught doing it once already.
Stupidly bad WIFOMing. Scum needs to breadcrumb, therefore scum will bread crumb. End of discusion.
Scum-Circus would've just kept his mouth shut and acted alone, because he knows that since he had been caught once doing it, people were going to be scrutinizing his posts more than others'. But it's still possible, since he's using terminology that's common in mafia, to breadcrumb while playing it off as common terminology that means nothing.
You're thinking too hard. But at any rate, the "breadcrumbing" that used the common terminology still isn't breadcrumbing. Did it say anywhere who to kill? Only quick hits, and are you telling me Circus knew he was going to be mafia in an unnanounced game about zombies where he would be a mafia member unable to communicate and therefore used the words quick hits so that he could later name off 6-7 different people for the hits? Yeah, that's what I thought.
I'm not entirely sure where I stand on Circus right now, although Ronike's flip would tell me a lot. I'm still completely sold on Ronike being scum. Ronike has been encouraging people not to scumhunt others like we have Circus, despite the fact that Ronike is still a part of his lynch. I find that very interesting.
Completely wrong. I have encouraged people to scumhunt, just to do it quickly so we can move on to a day where we have loads more information. I have been encouraging people not to take breadcrumbing too far like Katae. Regular breadcrumb searching? Awesome. Which is why Circus deserves a lynch... maybe.
In all honesty, after seeing him using the quick hits thing in another game and how heavily you are attacking me while still trying to push for a Circus lynch from the shadows, my resolve is shaken. I think a McFox lynch would be better, if only to get rid of people who aren't even trying to be helpful.
Unvote Vote: McFox
