KirbyKaze's Sheik MU Guide - POSTPONED INDEFINITELY

[Wake]

KirbyKaze how dare you!

 

[Kaffei]

Do you just L-Cancel on the ledge?

No you just land on a specific part of the edge and it does that
It works with many aerials and special moves

 

[joejoe22802]

Wow this **** is hard

 

[soap]

I gotta try that

 

[joejoe22802]

Soap. you have the plank have the sexiest moving sheiks ever.

 

[silentSWAG]

short hop bair ***** fox

 

[Plairnkk]

guys u wanna get better?

short hop bair on their shields or fair when they get up from the ledge over and over

to bait roll to the center of the stage

then dair their roll


profit

 

[KirbyKaze]

I usually grab but dair is good too.

 

[silentSWAG]

grab works beeter because you can get more out of it, and it covers the foxes wavedash out of shield if they do so

 

[Teczer0]

guys u wanna get better?

short hop bair on their shields or fair when they get up from the ledge over and over

to bait roll to the center of the stage

then dair their roll


profit

Sometimes I Dsmash and they DI all of it in.

Then fall onto the edge again anyway.

Its hilarious.

 

[Plairnkk]

really it depends on %... if they are at the % where dair will knock them up to combo % then i will dair.. if they are below i grab to get the %. i dont find a point in grabbing when they are already at combo % because then you have to rely on the tech chase when dair will already get them in the air for the combos



of course this is all assuming our aerial barrage doesnt beat them off the stage anyway ;-)


@swag i do the dair on reaction to their roll, another situation=another response but oftentimes you can bait the roll for sure

 

[silentSWAG]

i just really like grabbing fox

edit= why do you use brawl peach.... scrub

 

[Teczer0]

I find myself doing better not looking for grabs.

Because its very easy to get overzealous with it.

 

[silentSWAG]

u got to con-troll the grabs

 

[Teczer0]

Dash attack is more amusing =3

 

[silentSWAG]

oh yeah.... i love that move too

 

[Teczer0]

This one time I caught hax with 4 dash attacks to a fair across FD.

He was the most mad.

 

[Plairnkk]

i just really like grabbing fox

edit= why do you use brawl peach.... scrub

i dont use brawl peach

**** that noise

i wish i was better out of grabs against fast fallers, im working on it. definitely my weakest point

LOL good **** hayley

hax is so free

 

[Teczer0]

LOL ok, dude like no homo and all that ****, but I miss you dude.

I was pretty mad when you couldn't go to Rom .

I wanna steal tricks and ****.

 

[Plairnkk]

hahahaha i know right

well rest assured i play a ton

and whatever big tourney it is im allowed to go to next

im going to **** so much ****ing face

<3

 

[Teczer0]

Ape x?

 

[silentSWAG]

do you mean out of foxes grab or grabing fox. cause ive been geting away with d.i.ing foxes u throw behind as much as possible and throw out a bair before i land. and its been working.....

 

[Teczer0]

That doesn't typically work, it works if the fox is slightly late.

Also, try nair. I think its slightly faster, and the closer they are the harder it hits lol

 

[silentSWAG]

i di the throw as back as possible, so the bair is good because it has that range. i think its been working because the foxes ive played are not prepared for the di so they folow up late and get hit by it........

wihch, i just realized ... is what you just siad =3

and i have alot of time to get my bair out so speed dosent matter

 

[Plairnkk]

i was referring to out of my own grabs... i dont have a problem with fox grabbing me, but realistically there is no way to get out of a uthrow-->bair combo if done correctly by fox

@hayley no tristate is the region that doesnt allow me to go to their **** because of hax/m2ks nonstop bull**** lol

 

[bubbaking]

Dang, that Demo Kirby DI stuff is hard... >.<

 

[KirbyKaze]

Fox u-throw bair works 100% of the time on sheik until about 170% give or take. If they suck at basic 2-step combos though then yeah you can get out of it and nair/bair/dj are your best options. But if they don't suck then there's nothing you can do about it except hope they try to do risky stuff rather than guaranteed combos.

I like dash attacking stuff so if they're at combo percent I'd probably do that instead of dair but dair is clearly a good option because it gives you stuff that dash attack cannot. It's also less laggy. Being less laggy is a good thing. If you can read a roll (or preemptively cover it) then you can do whatever though and it'll work. I've up smashed them before (numerous times) just because.

Man, there's nothing to talk about regarding Sheik. I wish we had an extra 80 moveslots like Fox.

 

[Kaffei]

Fox u-throw bair works 100% of the time on sheik until about 170% give or take. If they suck at basic 2-step combos though then yeah you can get out of it and nair/bair/dj are your best options. But if they don't suck then there's nothing you can do about it except hope they try to do risky stuff rather than guaranteed combos.

I like dash attacking stuff so if they're at combo percent I'd probably do that instead of dair but dair is clearly a good option because it gives you stuff that dash attack cannot. It's also less laggy. Being less laggy is a good thing. If you can read a roll (or preemptively cover it) then you can do whatever though and it'll work. I've up smashed them before (numerous times) just because.

Man, there's nothing to talk about regarding Sheik. I wish we had an extra 80 moveslots like Fox.

How do I fight Fox
He's so fast fk
and ftilt sux at low %s
idk how to grab

 

[KirbyKaze]

Okay so get him out of low percent with grab, aerials, a full set of needles, d-smash (if you can make it multi-hit), or up tilt (if he's directly above you). Then at like 30% you can f-tilt and knock him over and do grab or dash attack or whatever combos until he dies. Dash attack is also good at 30%.

By doing not grab moves you'll get him to block so then you mix up grab.

Dash dance grab is also effective, as is aerial > grab, and needles > grab. Up tilt > grab is amazing at low percents if they jump above you a lot. Comboing into grab is really good.

 

[Kaffei]

ahh ok. sounds like a plan. Thank you KK =)

 

[Kaffei]

KK, you're going to update this, right?

 

[KirbyKaze]

That's the plan!

 

[Kaffei]

Hurray =D
10Sheiks

 

[BSeeD]

Hehe never noticed that topic, now I can't wait for you to write the rest

 

[bubbaking]

Updates here yet? ;-|

 

[KirbyKaze]

I recorded myself talking about the nuances of the Falco MU (wound up being like 40 mins, although there were a lot of pauses) and wrote probably 1/3 of it.

 

[Falcoty]

Why you gotta be suck a c*cktease KK? I've been waiting for you to finish this thread forever! You're one of the few top players I've EVER seen on the boards to post quality in-depth discussion.

AZ loves you <3

 

[bubbaking]

Indeed, a lot of my colleagues disagree w/ me, but I believe that KK has been quite a pioneer in Sheik's development. Anyway, that Falco MU is probably the most looked-forward to post comin' up.

 

[Kaffei]

Who the **** would disagree with that

 

[bubbaking]

Ppl on LI who think that KK's really good, but not a pioneer.