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Canada [Jul 26, 2014] B.C. Brawl Monthlies - Back in business, now featuring Smash 64! (Burnaby, BC)
- Thread starter ~Firefly~
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Drake12
Smash Ace
You trollin my homie? Lol, vanilla brawl. Normal brawl xD
Arcansi
Smash Champion
1. You should point it out more often. Not because your right, but I would appreciate it anyway.
2. It's more directly like me saying 'you don't know that FOR SURE' after every. single. thing. you say.
And guess what? I'm 100% correct, and I could technically refute every single thing that exists this way.
We understand this, so we assume it in every. single. thing. we do.
It's like how it's dumb to bring up the possibilty that jumps in brawl send you downward, or that back air is actually forward, or something.
I was actually refering to the philisophical train of thought of how do you know you know something.
I don't know if that simplifies down into what your saying or not (they seem close but not the same).
I don't think your analogy fits, but it might.
Assuming you understand what was said in my previous post, it has gone where it was supposed to go.
I don't understand the true nature of this post, but I know it's not what you have written.
I also advocated brawl-. P:M, and Brawl+ at different times.IMO it definitely feels like melee with some brawl aspects, like pivot grabbing and reverse aerial rushing.
You were advocating Bbrawl
Nobody liked bbrawl.
Arcansi
Smash Champion
:fluttershy:
Also, I really don't think I'm going to go to Toronto or Japan.
My inability to legitmately join a different group of people is crushing.
Also, I really don't think I'm going to go to Toronto or Japan.
My inability to legitmately join a different group of people is crushing.
I honestly didn't know >__>
Blue Yoshi
Smash Master
I had a really long post going, but I'll summarize it, since I feel like I'm about to fall asleep, and don't feel like re-fixing it 5 times...
Arcansi, that mindset (your side is correct, the opponent's side is incorrect, you must prove to them why your side is right, and refute or counter all the opponent's arguments, thereby making your side correct) is very good to have in certain situations. However, for the most part, in most debates we have here, nobody is that concerned about winning the debate/argument. So when you come in with that mindset, nobody cares enough to argue with you, and will ignore all your posts on that subject.
I forget who said it first, but you should try to enter some debates and such with an open mind instead of your current mindset. Whenever I enter a debate here, I usually have a good idea of what I am talking about, and usually I am at the time in favour of one of the possible outcomes (e.g. I am pro-ban in the MK legality debate, and anti-japan ruleset in the tuleset debate). However, whenever I enter a debate for one or the other, I never out-right say my way is correct, or that the other ways are wrong. I listen to everyone's opinions, and try to come to an agreeable solution. I give reasons for my side being right, and I give reasons for my side being wrong (or the other side being right). Example: MK legality. If he is banned, Ben might not come. If he is legal, I might not come. For the stage list, I have listened to everything people have said that they disagree with as far as stage lists goes, and have made several suggestions to fix this (e.g. old BC ruleset with an additional option to ban both Rainbow Cruise and Brinstar as one ban selection. Another suggestion was two stage bans). Other times, I go in to debates with a certain belief, however everyone else says otherwise, and even though I believe I am correct, I will concede my side, even still believing that I am right, thereby preventing an unnecessary argument that nobody would care about (if it's something not important, there's no point making a big deal out of it). Basically, I enter debates believing that I am correct, but never do I completely tunnel vision my beliefs and completely attempt to shoot down all of my opponent's views. I will even give points that counter or refute my own side. I generally enter and try to, alongside the other people, try to come to a happy middle that everyone can agree to, or come to an agreement on which side we believe to be right.
The thing you do differently than me here is you consistently promote your beliefs and constantly throw away all of everyone else's statements, even if they are more true or more proven than yours. When you start doing that, nobody cares about debating or arguing with you, because they know that you won't concede unless they give way too much effort than is necessary. Depending on the topic and importance of the debate, if it's an unimportant debate, people will say "fine Arcansi, whatever you say", and stop arguing, basically in an attempt to end the argument, even though you are still the only one who believes what you say. If it's an important debate and you are getting ignored, everyone puts their points in, while your points are basically left to float in the air.
I know this is completely against what you usually do or believe in, but if you think a topic is not important enough or not worth the argument, either concede your side if you are in the argument (thereby ending the argument, even if you still believe you are right), or don't enter the argument at all. It will die in about 10 posts anyways. This will not only save everyone from reading 50 posts of arguments over absolutely nothing (or at the very least, nothing important), but may also help in making people not get annoyed of your posts.
Just a little advice. None of it is meant to be attacks at you, just helpful advice. As usual, what you do with this advice is up to you.
edit: wow, this was the short version? I'm happy I didn't continue and make a long version haha
Arcansi, that mindset (your side is correct, the opponent's side is incorrect, you must prove to them why your side is right, and refute or counter all the opponent's arguments, thereby making your side correct) is very good to have in certain situations. However, for the most part, in most debates we have here, nobody is that concerned about winning the debate/argument. So when you come in with that mindset, nobody cares enough to argue with you, and will ignore all your posts on that subject.
I forget who said it first, but you should try to enter some debates and such with an open mind instead of your current mindset. Whenever I enter a debate here, I usually have a good idea of what I am talking about, and usually I am at the time in favour of one of the possible outcomes (e.g. I am pro-ban in the MK legality debate, and anti-japan ruleset in the tuleset debate). However, whenever I enter a debate for one or the other, I never out-right say my way is correct, or that the other ways are wrong. I listen to everyone's opinions, and try to come to an agreeable solution. I give reasons for my side being right, and I give reasons for my side being wrong (or the other side being right). Example: MK legality. If he is banned, Ben might not come. If he is legal, I might not come. For the stage list, I have listened to everything people have said that they disagree with as far as stage lists goes, and have made several suggestions to fix this (e.g. old BC ruleset with an additional option to ban both Rainbow Cruise and Brinstar as one ban selection. Another suggestion was two stage bans). Other times, I go in to debates with a certain belief, however everyone else says otherwise, and even though I believe I am correct, I will concede my side, even still believing that I am right, thereby preventing an unnecessary argument that nobody would care about (if it's something not important, there's no point making a big deal out of it). Basically, I enter debates believing that I am correct, but never do I completely tunnel vision my beliefs and completely attempt to shoot down all of my opponent's views. I will even give points that counter or refute my own side. I generally enter and try to, alongside the other people, try to come to a happy middle that everyone can agree to, or come to an agreement on which side we believe to be right.
The thing you do differently than me here is you consistently promote your beliefs and constantly throw away all of everyone else's statements, even if they are more true or more proven than yours. When you start doing that, nobody cares about debating or arguing with you, because they know that you won't concede unless they give way too much effort than is necessary. Depending on the topic and importance of the debate, if it's an unimportant debate, people will say "fine Arcansi, whatever you say", and stop arguing, basically in an attempt to end the argument, even though you are still the only one who believes what you say. If it's an important debate and you are getting ignored, everyone puts their points in, while your points are basically left to float in the air.
I know this is completely against what you usually do or believe in, but if you think a topic is not important enough or not worth the argument, either concede your side if you are in the argument (thereby ending the argument, even if you still believe you are right), or don't enter the argument at all. It will die in about 10 posts anyways. This will not only save everyone from reading 50 posts of arguments over absolutely nothing (or at the very least, nothing important), but may also help in making people not get annoyed of your posts.
Just a little advice. None of it is meant to be attacks at you, just helpful advice. As usual, what you do with this advice is up to you.
edit: wow, this was the short version? I'm happy I didn't continue and make a long version haha
tl;dr: Stop arguing here. Do it somewhere else because nobody wants to do it here.
Irisz
The Wanderer
Made me raff xD I just mean that money might be an issue...I'd be sooo happy to come but pulling $60 a month from my $60/m paper route will get to me something...and I use that paper route money for my lunches n stuff too :/
And I totally agree with that ^ As important as these debates are, it's hard to talk about SSBB stuff when we see these xD
Arcansi
Smash Champion
Except...many months ago I was told this thread is just used for talking. Not SSBB stuff as a main topic all the time, if even most of the time.
And as such, I find this fine, although I don't like that you guys don't like it, I am not so moved that I would stop.
No Offence.
[inb4noresponsetothis]
So what are they interested in, if they would start such a thing?
Also, you have my mindset completely wrong. I'm just interested in finding a clear 'winner'. If I don't argue with all that I have, then the 'winner' isn't clear.
I enter with the belief that I am right only if I know I am. In arguments like picto//MK stuff, I enter knowing what I want and go for it.
I am ready to accept that I am wrong, and will if it comes to this. But I'm not going to accept it until it's proven.
If I can shoot your points down, they deserve to be shot down. It's not like I'm talking illogically.
Outright saying 'I'm right your wrong' is just so I can get responses. In an argument with my friend I would never need to say this, but online I will.
Conceding while believing I am right will never happen for me. I don't see the argument as needless or bad at all.
I feel that not completely shooting down your opponent if you can is a horrible thing to do, and would be malicious in my eyes. You are purposefully preventing the gain of knowledge for a theoretical gain of happiness that I cannot confirm exists.
I do the same thing, based on the situation. I just look at it that neither side is right until proven right.
1. What do you mean by consistently promote my beliefs?
2. When have I ever thrown away a statement that was more proven//truer than mine? I would never intend or like to do this, if I have ever done it.
3. I understand just ditching when you don't think the argument is important enough or w/e. I don't like it but it's completely ok.
4. Why is it acceptable to just leave my points to float in the air? Especially if it's an important debate?
The eventual conclusion to getting ignored like that is me just leaving, although I would not like to do that. Not trying to be passive-aggressive, but I do not see any big reason to stay in an environment where I have no voice, and it is completely ok to ignore me. And that's a big reason to leave.
1. I'll never do that. It goes against my feelings too much. I am ok if you guys do it, though. (although I'd prefer you just not state something if you can't back it up, nobody will likely agree with me or care to do so.)
2. I am sorry you guys are annoyed by my posts, but I cannot knowingly not promote the gain of knowledge simply to convenience others. I am sorry.
As in the past, it seems you have made the wrong assumptions on your advice, and I would prefer you ask me these things without assuming them.
If you could perhaps use the right ones, I might be able to take it in.
No Offence.
There is some that's legit, however.
Basil
Smash Apprentice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7RT4-NwahE#t=28s dolan n gooby gut a roket ;3
Arcansi
Smash Champion
It has gone somewhere, however.
Nowhere is a destination.
Basil
Smash Apprentice
Yes, nowhere is somewhere.
Arcansi
Smash Champion
Assuming you define it as somewhere, it is.
I was saying it didn't go nowhere, however.
I was saying it didn't go nowhere, however.
StarWaffle
Smash Lord
What just happened. Also what was DK wearing /srs
Basil
Smash Apprentice
So you're saying our conversation went nowhere?
This post was posted at the request of Captain Falcon.
| Big D |
Smash Master
| Big D |
Smash Master
Mr. L is obvs King Dedede.
Hi. 
No offense has absolutely no meaning at all.
Aero posts here because we're awesome :D
Aero posts here because we're awesome :D
StarWaffle
Smash Lord
why is there only 10 episodes in season 1 =<
There's 12 isn't there?
One next week, and two the week after.
One next week, and two the week after.
StarWaffle
Smash Lord
Still seems too short.
irisz bby you better come to the tourney, i need mah teddy bair
It's called a pikmin rocket ; hit the pikmin with a move that can beat the atk while it's in it's animation and it'll go soaring.
LOL godlike where are you finding these things?No offense has absolutely no meaning at all.
Aero posts here because we're awesome :D
I just clicked random links on Tumblr and came across that 
12 episodes is too short!
Official season finale trailer (spoilers, obviously):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmMjBdBuHSI
12 episodes is too short!
Official season finale trailer (spoilers, obviously):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmMjBdBuHSI
Arcansi
Smash Champion
Then what should I say in place of it?
You don't say anything to offend the person if that's what you're trying to avoid. (Ie. Just don't talk)
No offense is like a cliche these days. It means you want to say something offensive but don't want to the person to feel bad. Two words won't do anything and mean nothing.
No offense is like a cliche these days. It means you want to say something offensive but don't want to the person to feel bad. Two words won't do anything and mean nothing.
Blue Yoshi
Smash Master
People who watch My Little Pony are [insert negative description here].
... no offense...
Quite clearly, that is mocking/attacking bronies. Saying no offense doesn't make it any better. That is what Kev is getting at. I used ponies as an example since it's something that would affect you (and obviously since I also like ponies, I don't really think this at all).
As I suggested to you months ago, if something you are saying has a chance of being taken offensively, either don't say it at all, or reword it so that it is not offensive. Saying something offensive and trying to cover it up by saying "no offense" or anything like that, if anything, just makes it worse.
... no offense...
Quite clearly, that is mocking/attacking bronies. Saying no offense doesn't make it any better. That is what Kev is getting at. I used ponies as an example since it's something that would affect you (and obviously since I also like ponies, I don't really think this at all).
As I suggested to you months ago, if something you are saying has a chance of being taken offensively, either don't say it at all, or reword it so that it is not offensive. Saying something offensive and trying to cover it up by saying "no offense" or anything like that, if anything, just makes it worse.
~Firefly~
Smash Hero
That should definitely be a thing. Great idea, SKidd! No compliment.
Arcansi
Smash Champion
Ok, ok.
But what about stuff like "Yes, I understand that you do not like what I am doing, but I do not value you over me, and as such I shall not stop."
Or something similar. It's quite obvious from a logical standpoint that no harm is meant here, and none of these things are said to hurt anyone.
And yet, people can and will take offense to it.
You don't understand. I can't know if it's something that could or could not be taken offensively by you guys, because I don't think like you guys.
I basically just rate everything on a scale of 1-10 how many people would probably agree with someone if they were to take offense to this. If it scores higher then a 5, I put no offence after it, or don't type it because it has needless words in it.
I have no idea if this scale is good or correct, and no way to test it.
I also can't choose different words because I don't know how you guys think beyond basics, and as such have no idea if you'll take offense or not.
Also, what is the nice way to say... (just putting the statements down quickly, so it may sound more harsh then I would actually say it, fyi.)
'I'm sorry, but I'm not going to listen to what you want here.'
'You keep making the same mistake over and over. Please stop, so that I don't have to ignore you.'
'Hey, you don't seem to be acting like you have the ability to logically think and act, and you would probably be a lot less stressed if you did.'
etc.
This is not useful advice, mostly because you know it isn't.
I'm going to assume you mean those two words.
Also, for me it just means I want to constructively criticize someone but want them to take it as what it is, and not as an insult.
Is there a different way to go about this?
I love you Skidd.
Also, you guys have no idea how much I expect myself to like, get a notification saying I've been banned for trolling or something sometimes.
EDIT: Also, seems my inb4 was correct.
That sucks.
Tarrlok is amazing. Not really happy he's been "equalized".
Not sure what Amon's deal is...
