Is This What You Call Entertainment And Fair Play?

[BleachigoZX]

I'm actually looking forward to the Final Version of Brawl +

It will take forever though, I prolly won't play by the time it comes out.

 

[Atomsk_92]

Uhhhhhhhhhh.....

Hmmmmmm.

hahah.

i quit melee at the time because i was 14 and got grounded for like 8 month dude...honestly I'm not like spam who'd sit there and just practice against Cpus and ****.

 

[boss8]

regular brawl may be obsolete O_O

lol jp

i play brawl.....or brawl plus.....

brawl is just campier and gayer...

brawl plus is straight forword...

 

[Skip2MaLoo]

i prefer melee more than brawlcrawl/brawl+...then i like brawl+...then i like brawl

 

[Emblem Lord]

How can you "help" a game be more competitive or better competitively?

This right here...is the problem with the smash community.

Always has been. Trying to "make" things competitive and not being able to accept that maybe certain things shouldn't be competitive.

lol@ giving Brawl a chance.

What chances are there to give. Either a game lends itself well to competitive play or it doesn't. It doesn't take a **** rocket scientist to look at a fighting game engine and see whether or not certain strats will dominate others.

Pretty much anyone with a brain could look at brawl a year ago and tell you that the game was gonna be super slow and very campy due to lack of combos, punishment and really good offensive options.


The only way you could make Brawl competitive would be to completely..re...write the...code..and

then


hack...the ......


hack the game.

MY...MY GOD

 

[DaiAndOh]

How can you "help" a game be more competitive or better competitively?

This right here...is the problem with the smash community.

Always has been. Trying to "make" things competitive and not being able to accept that maybe certain things shouldn't be competitive.

lol@ giving Brawl a chance.

What chances are there to give. Either a game lends itself well to competitive play or it doesn't. It doesn't take a **** rocket scientist to look at a fighting game engine and see whether or not certain strats will dominate others.

Pretty much anyone with a brain could look at brawl a year ago and tell you that the game was gonna be super slow and very campy due to lack of combos, punishment and really good offensive options.


The only way you could make Brawl competitive would be to completely..re...write the...code..and

then


hack...the ......


hack the game.

MY...MY GOD

WHAT A TWIST!

Wait you play B+ EL?

 

[Emblem Lord]

Nah. Just thought this thread could use a nice healthy dose of logic.

 

[Turbo Ether]

How can you "help" a game be more competitive or better competitively?

This right here...is the problem with the smash community.

Always has been. Trying to "make" things competitive and not being able to accept that maybe certain things shouldn't be competitive.

lol@ giving Brawl a chance.

What chances are there to give. Either a game lends itself well to competitive play or it doesn't. It doesn't take a **** rocket scientist to look at a fighting game engine and see whether or not certain strats will dominate others.

Pretty much anyone with a brain could look at brawl a year ago and tell you that the game was gonna be super slow and very campy due to lack of combos, punishment and really good offensive options.


The only way you could make Brawl competitive would be to completely..re...write the...code..and

then


hack...the ......


hack the game.

MY...MY GOD

Yes, Brawl has zero competitive value. That Apex tournament that occured not too long ago? It was doo-doo. The game is so shallow that literally no extremely high level play occured, and everyone was miserable the entire time. People should actually be ashamed of themselves for attending Brawl tournaments.

 

[ELI-mination]

Since when are competitive value and fun factor the same thing?

 

[Turbo Ether]

Since when are competitive value and fun factor the same thing?

Who said they were?

 

[GameStation aka C4?!]

Since when are competitive value and fun factor the same thing?

when people not "good" enough consider winning; a way the game is "meant" to be played rather than how it's supposed to be played.

 

[_Yes!_]

Yes, Brawl has zero competitive value. That Apex tournament that occured not too long ago? It was doo-doo. The game is so shallow that literally no extremely high level play occured, and everyone was miserable the entire time. People should actually be ashamed of themselves for attending Brawl tournaments.

honestly ether, I had fun during brawl+, melee, and our friendlies (because you're too awesome), but other than that apex was boring :-/

 

[teh_spamerer]

The game is so shallow that literally no extremely high level play occured

High level Brawl play is low compared to anything. Mario Kart world record Time Trials showcase vastly more skill.

 

[Turbo Ether]

High level Brawl play is low compared to anything. Mario Kart world record Time Trials showcase vastly more skill.

What's your point? Mario Kart takes more skill, so everyone should quit Brawl and play Mario Kart? If skill cap and depth are truly the primary motivating factors for playing a game competitively, I don't see why everyone that's complaining in this thread isn't playing Starcraft.

 

[ELI-mination]

Well you have to consider that the smash community is based on the smash series, so when brawl came out, a lot of the same people who were playing melee became a part of the brawl community. And there are friendships/whatever among the community. Thats one reason why a lot of people would still play brawl.

There's also money. A lot of people see brawl as incredibly easy to learn so they think 'easy money'. You can even see it in matches, like that match with plank camping with MK. If there wasn't money on the line, why would he even do that? The only 'fun' that I think someone would get out of that is to metaphorically **** all over the game for all to see, pretty successively I might add.

So there are plenty of reasons people would play brawl competitively even if they don't find it competitive. Eventually they'll run out though, I know I don't play anymore really (who knows if I'd show up to a tourney if I lose my job) and many other people who don't play anymore cuz "brawl ruined it for them"

 

[_Yes!_]

What's your point? Mario Kart takes more skill, so everyone should quit Brawl and play Mario Kart? If skill cap and depth are truly the primary motivating factors for playing a game competitively, I don't see why everyone that's complaining in this thread isn't playing Starcraft.

I'll play you in Starcraft 8D

 

[Emblem Lord]

Yes, Brawl has zero competitive value. That Apex tournament that occured not too long ago? It was doo-doo. The game is so shallow that literally no extremely high level play occured, and everyone was miserable the entire time. People should actually be ashamed of themselves for attending Brawl tournaments.

lol. Ok, I can forgive brawl heads, but you actually know wtf a good game looks like.

What are you on and where can I get some?

 

[boss8]

yo dogg i heard you like to camp in brawl so we put a tent in your tent and a fire in your fire and a planking metaknight in your planking metaknight so u can camp while camping a planking metaknight while firing your fire while metaknight planks in your tent....

ya digg??

 

[_Yes!_]

yo dogg i heard you like to camp in brawl so we put a tent in your tent and a fire in your fire and a planking metaknight in your planking metaknight so u can camp while camping a planking metaknight while firing your fire while metaknight planks in your tent....

ya digg??

I think this is the most accurate description of Brawl I've ever seen .

 

[teh_spamerer]

What's your point? Mario Kart takes more skill, so everyone should quit Brawl and play Mario Kart?

Mario Kart was an arbitrary example. The point was that people shouldn't play games where the highest level of play is still extremely low compared to most games that can be competitive. The other thing is that if you're going to play a mediocre game like that, don't try to shove it down people's throats that it's actually good.

If skill cap and depth are truly the primary motivating factors for playing a game competitively, I don't see why everyone that's complaining in this thread isn't playing Starcraft.

There are other games that satisfy that criteria besides Starcraft, which happens to be a pretty amazing game.

 

[Ryan-K]

the funniest thing about that attitude is when brawlheads try to be all competitive-like and quote sirlin like that **** matters as if to hide away the shame from playing such a ****ty game.

melee isn't that great in the grand scale of things compared to sf and **** but come on man brawl is a total ****ing joke

 

[BlueTerrorist]

When a game has to be hacked in a matter like this, you know when you have to put it out of it's misery.

I dunno, KOFXII is pulling me in like a crack addiction .

 

[Eazy23]

Edit- wow at all the crying about what plank did when he barely even won! LMFAO!


I realistically can agree that camping is a broken tactic in brawl, but within the past couple months, how many people have been timed out? How many people have walked away from a set, losing to someone much worse than them because they got camped? I really don't feel as though its worth the argument anymore.

Spam you make the mistake of saying " people shouldn't play" which I totally disagree with. It makes the assumption that the game of choice is too be chosen based off of some factor besides desire. Many times in life, decisions are made for other reasons besides the obvious, you know this, so don't make hitler statements telling people what they should or should not do.

There were gay players in melee, players that no one gave props, bashed, and hated to play against. I've watched Inui want to die after losing to Puffster. I've watched copycat want to die after losing 2 DJ. I've watched people want to die after losing to Spam lmao. My point is that, realistically, why is it that every F@G match in brawl is blown up to be the prime example of what the game is about, but melee's camping stories are completely ignored.

I don't like getting camped crazy in either game, but as I got better, I haven't been camped nearly as hard. Most players have increased in skill, and honestly, found ways to gain benefit from being aggressive( or something in the middle of aggro and campy lol).

There WAS INDEED a time where a brawl tournament was filled with people crying about how they just got planked or timed out or camped crazy, but those days are much less frequent now. If you haven't gone to any tournaments and witnessed any of these playstyle changes...then stop speaking as if your word is accurate.

Brawl tournaments are nowhere near as boring, and crappy as they used to be. People have been practicing their cheeks off to get better at the game, and generalizing the game as camp is a slap in the face to them. I doubt the primary mode of training is 1 vs 3 lvl 9s on 8 min timer, with the goal being to run and not get hit as much as possible. People are learning matchups , learning their characters, and getting more comfortable with the game, so assuming that everything is CAMP CAMP CAMP, is wrong and in many ways disrespectful.

If anyone disagrees with these changes, say so, and I will name players who are amazing, are becoming amazing, or who have simply improved, in a non gay way.

In short,
Camping in brawl can be gay but it is happening on much less of an extreme level much less often, and people should stop ignoring these progressive happenings. People got camped in melee ALOT, especially if you player certain characters, but no one seems to mention it. The brawl scene has become a nice amount more enjoyable and everyone has gotten more skilled,( not just more campy).

 

[Turbo Ether]

lol. Ok, I can forgive brawl heads, but you actually know wtf a good game looks like.

What are you on and where can I get some?

I'm not saying Brawl is some masterpiece. I'm saying that, one, it's apparently balanced enough that the people that play the best, place the best, and two, evidently, people enjoy playing it competitively and traveling for it. With these two criterias satisfied I have to come to the conclusion that the game is good enough for the community.

Mario Kart was an arbitrary example. The point was that people shouldn't play games where the highest level of play is still extremely low compared to most games that can be competitive. The other thing is that if you're going to play a mediocre game like that, don't try to shove it down people's throats that it's actually good.

Um, no one really has the right to tell someone what they should or shouldn't be playing. If people are satisfied with what they're playing, I don't see what the problem is. Who's shoving Brawl down peoples throats, praising its greatness? It's obvious at this point that many people are satisfied with the game despite its flaws and you know what? That's fine.

There are other games that satisfy that criteria besides Starcraft, which happens to be a pretty amazing game.

Perhaps people should just play those games and keep it moving? I couldn't care less if someone decides to devote time to playing a game I don't like.

 

[Jigglymaster]

High level Brawl play is low compared to anything. Mario Kart world record Time Trials showcase vastly more skill.

Actually I got onto the top 10 in the world for DK Mountain time trail on MKW.

Yes I play MKW competivly too.

 

[Skip2MaLoo]

im 100% sure that the people who defend brawl and say its better wouldn't last long in melee so they defend the game they can actually play well lol

 

[DaiAndOh]

im 100% sure that the people who defend brawl and say its better wouldn't last long in melee so they defend the game they can actually play well lol

I know some that cite that as their reason for saying it's better

 

[Eazy23]

If you're at all referring to me, 10$ mm if we ever meet in, melee plz.
If not, then w/e.

Your post is nonsense not only because you claimed to be 100% sure about anything but because you assumed that people who are defending brawl in THIS situation are claiming that it is a better game. I for one, know melee is a much better game than brawl, but flawed logic is flawed logic. This is probably the first time I've made arguements in brawl's defense, but the things people are complaining about are old, and understood.

 

[Skip2MaLoo]

If you're at all referring to me, 10$ mm if we ever meet in, melee plz.
If not, then w/e.

Your post is nonsense not only because you claimed to be 100% sure about anything but because you assumed that people who are defending brawl in THIS situation are claiming that it is a better game. I for one, know melee is a much better game than brawl, but flawed logic is flawed logic. This is probably the first time I've made arguements in brawl's defense, but the things people are complaining about are old, and understood.

right now you are defending brawl but not admitting it's better. therefor you prove my 100% stereotype right and don't fall under it.. lol
also i must laugh at you for taking anything having to do with two games LIKABILITY (which is opinionated) seriously

 

[BleachigoZX]

Guys, guys...it's a Video Game.

Who Cares!

 

[blackanese]

as D1 would say















ROUGH RIDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS

 

[_Yes!_]

Eazy: I'd like to believe you, but as you may know, I got eliminated from apex due to my opponent air planking me with metaknight. Whenever he approached or I caught up to him, he'd take some damage, but some characters just can't catch mk in the air without getting *****. I didn't want the frustration of being timed out so I just played stupidly since the match was determined once I was a stock behind. Brawl can be fun, but people who want to win just camp since it's the most viable strategy. People who do otherwise aren't playing to the best of their ability.

 

[teh_spamerer]

I realistically can agree that camping is a broken tactic in brawl, but within the past couple months, how many people have been timed out? How many people have walked away from a set, losing to someone much worse than them because they got camped? I really don't feel as though its worth the argument anymore.

lolol, why does it have to be someone "much worse than" their opponent for it to matter that they lost for timeout?

Spam you make the mistake of saying " people shouldn't play" which I totally disagree with. It makes the assumption that the game of choice is too be chosen based off of some factor besides desire. Many times in life, decisions are made for other reasons besides the obvious, you know this, so don't make hitler statements telling people what they should or should not do.

Brawl heads will be sent to work camps. Work will set you free!



But seriously, I left out "if you want to play a good competitive game" at the end of the sentence.

Um, no one really has the right to tell someone what they should or shouldn't be playing. If people are satisfied with what they're playing, I don't see what the problem is.

See above.

Who's shoving Brawl down peoples throats, praising its greatness? It's obvious at this point that many people are satisfied with the game despite its flaws and you know what? That's fine.

if u trip, it just means you suk, so get over it, teh_spamerer is dumb, brawl is a good competative game, how isn't it?

Want more?

There were gay players in melee, players that no one gave props, bashed, and hated to play against. I've watched copycat want to die after losing 2 DJ. I've watched people want to die after losing to Spam lmao.

Maybe copy didn't get DJ props but DJ definetely gets props from almost everyone and so do I. I can't remember the last time someone I played in Melee gave me none. Vidjo was smiling and wanted Poke Floats friendlies after being timed out .

My point is that, realistically, why is it that every F@G match in brawl is blown up to be the prime example of what the game is about, but melee's camping stories are completely ignored.

Because you can't camp the entire time in Melee in neutral except against bad characters and win if the person you're playing is good. Not the case in Brawl.

If you haven't gone to any tournaments and witnessed any of these playstyle changes...then stop speaking as if your word is accurate. Brawl tournaments are nowhere near as boring, and crappy as they used to be. People have been practicing their cheeks off to get better at the game, and generalizing the game as camp is a slap in the face to them. I doubt the primary mode of training is 1 vs 3 lvl 9s on 8 min timer, with the goal being to run and not get hit as much as possible. People are learning matchups , learning their characters, and getting more comfortable with the game, so assuming that everything is CAMP CAMP CAMP, is wrong and in many ways disrespectful.

If anyone disagrees with these changes, say so, and I will name players who are amazing, are becoming amazing, or who have simply improved, in a non gay way.

None of this proves anything. If a tournament has 16 entrants and they all decide to "have fun" and "play aggressive" of course the winner of the tournament is going to be someone who had fun and played aggressive. That doesn't change the fact that the winner would have lost to someone of a comparable skill level who decided to camp the entire time in an even matchup. That's what it comes down to. If the most effective strategy is to camp then that's what matters. Not people winning against other people who are handicapping themselves.

People got camped in melee ALOT, especially if you player certain characters, but no one seems to mention it.

You've used this argument a hundred thousand times with me over AIM for months. It's undeniable that you can deal with camping easier in Melee.

EDIT: This is what I call entertainment

(216): Where the **** is Rob at, he hasnt answered his phone in like 2 weeks.
(440): Dude Rob died 2 weeks ago wtf?
(216): Holy **** r u serious? How?
(440): Just kidding, but im pretty sure he boned your gf and doesnt want to talk to you.

http://textsfromlastnight.com/

 

[ANTi_]

If you like brawl play brawl

If you like melee play melee

 

[Eazy23]

But Chris, you can't just call CAMPING when someone doesn't let you camp them like you usually do. You are kinda one of the PLAYERS who based their success in brawl off of camping. You are known to have a very campy style, so people are going to be ready to camp you right back. Maybe you should practice a more aggressive character in order to have fun.
Remember, you went from ****** most mks, to usually losing to them, and you have never ever tried to find a way around, or even understand why you've been losing. You had alot of fun with brawl, and you were one of the best and most consistant campy players. Perhaps with a little more practice, and honest acceptance of why you've been losing matches you feel as though you shouldn't have, would result in you winning when you think you should and feeling better about the game?

 

[boss8]

I think this is the most accurate description of Brawl I've ever seen .

thats what i said

 

[_Yes!_]

Yeah, I forgot to mention that I'm a very campy player. I camped everyone I played in brawl, unless I could get away with playing aggressive. I even camped in apex.

The point isn't whether I camped or not, it's whether people find camping enjoyable, and whether it's the only good strategy in the game. IMO, camping is fun. I don't mind timing people out. Do I want to do that if I don't have to? Of course not. Is that the best way to win? Of course it is. Why approach? I can throw grenades all day and do a 21 damage 4 frame move if anyone tries to get near me.

I'd choose to play brawl+ over this any day, however, because there are combos in that game, and you're rewarded for approaching. While I camp in brawl+, I pull off some fun combos, and have a good time, win or lose (unless I SD a million times like I did vs Chu dat...no johns tho).

tl;dr: Camping in brawl = win.

 

[Plairnkk]

i love how spam got 3rd at a giant national tourney just by playing extremely gay. it sounds like something i would've done.

oh wait..

 

[Aztec Avenger]

Wow, that just gay, like the flaming type of gay. I can understand camping to an extent, but that is just ridiculous. That just makes Brawl boring, even if it's for the win, that's like being a ****, doing ANYTHING for the money. People need an honor code with this type, not even a official rule, but just this play style should just not be accepted.

 

[_Yes!_]

lol there's no honor when ppl are fighting for money. plank's doing what he thinks is the best way to win. Honestly it's the smartest thing I've ever seen. I'm jealous that I can't do that. I salute you, Plank.