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Is Marth the new Marth?

OmegaXF

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We'll take that last bit as a compliment.

I mean, just look at some of the similarities!


Powerful Aerials.
Smashes with incredible range.
Tippers.
Outrange most characters.
Disjointed hitboxes.
Counter move.
Chaingrab.
Fair-Dair.
Combos.
Two eyes.
Two arms.
Sharp objects protruding from being.
Funny pants.
Blue hair.
Fuzzy.
Smell funny when wet.
lol smells funny?
 

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Yea i was so ******** all i used were facts. Or could tell me what part of my fixes is a complete bullcrap fact
Seriously edge hog, if lucario wall clings, fast fall F-air= stage spike, and it can be followed by a foot stool and a D-air.
Just check number of pros and cons
http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Lucario_%28SSBB%29
http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Marth_%28SSBB%29
Lucario's wall cling is lagless. He can immediately walljump into an airdodge before you're able to drop and fair him (which is generally a stupid idea to begin with unless we're on YI)

Unless he's recovering right next to you (read: scrub mistake) in which case you should just spike him out of his ES.

That was possibly the dumbest thing I've read.
alchiflosofer said:
1. Only a gay furry would tell "sexy beast" a male lucario whit so much fur. If you call "sexy" to hot humanoid chiks, you cannot be called furry (and i kinda like the furry, but seriously the hard core furries whit fursonas scares the crap out of me).
2. First bishonen of videogames (pit is shota complex, so his original design was not bishie). That is a fact.
3. True
4. True
5. True
6. True, use the smashpedia if you don't trust me
7. Gay cuestion
8. Part true, i guess lucario sleeps in a dog house cause he's like a dog.

Also the difference of number of pros and cons in smashpedia is very big (lucario = 18 pros, 5 cons. Marth= 27 pros, 7 cons).

So seriously, are you going to call ******** someone who speaks whit facts.

BTW. tl;dnr and ts;dnr are the most gay things ever, don't dare to use it
Nevermind, this was.

What the **** was that.

Also smashwiki is trash, so many Marth fanboys edit it with pointless ****. Marth's pros include being able to juggle with utilt, footstool someone, wavebounce, two-hit nair, intercepting second jumps, and like 5 different pros about his grab LOL. Yeah alright, wish Lucario could do that!
 

alchfilosofer

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Lucario's wall cling is lagless. He can immediately walljump into an airdodge before you're able to drop and fair him (which is generally a stupid idea to begin with unless we're on YI)

Unless he's recovering right next to you (read: scrub mistake) in which case you should just spike him out of his ES.

That was possibly the dumbest thing I've read.

Nevermind, this was.

What the **** was that.

Also smashwiki is trash. Marth's pros include being able to juggle with utilt, footstool someone, wavebounce, two-hit nair, intercepting second jumps, and like 5 different pros about his grab LOL. Yeah alright, wish Lucario could do that!
Never mind, all the lucarios i had faced sucked hard in skills and knowledge. And yea smash wiki kinda sucks.
 

adumbrodeus

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Also the difference of number of pros and cons in smashpedia is very big (lucario = 18 pros, 5 cons. Marth= 27 pros, 7 cons).

So seriously, are you going to call ******** someone who speaks whit facts.

BTW. tl;dnr and ts;dnr are the most gay things ever, don't dare to use it
Thge fact is that pros and cons have to be weighed, and vary in usefulness based on match-up.

For instance, Marth having long-ranged safe moves doesn't mean jack **** against MK who has a safe move that's couple of pixels longer then his longest ranged safe move, so suddenly, he doesn't have any safe moves in this match-up.


Advantages are useless in the aether, they must be applied match-up by match-up.


Regardless, Marth is the superior character... smashpedia just isn't the reason....

Sorry Timber, it's the truth.
 

adumbrodeus

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Do you even read other people's posts? Where did I ever say Marth was the lesser character.

Go ahead and find it for me, otherwise be quiet.
You didn't, it was pre-emptive in case you were taking that view because you never suggested either way, at least in the scope of the discussion you having.

I wasn't being accusatory.
 

Kitamerby

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Yea i was so ******** all i used were facts. Or could tell me what part of my fixes is a complete bullcrap fact
The mere fact that you "fixed" a QUOTE means that your fact is not a fact at all and makes it as real as Marth's projectile game.
1. Only a gay furry would tell "sexy beast" a male lucario whit so much fur. If you call "sexy" to hot humanoid chiks, you cannot be called furry (and i kinda like the furry, but seriously the hard core furries whit fursonas scares the crap out of me).
He has so much chest hair, it gives the appearance of him being furry. That is the TRUE appearance of manliness. Take a good look, son. You won't be getting any of THAT with Marth.
2. First bishonen of videogames (pit is shota complex, so his original design was not bishie). That is a fact.
BS. Many other RPG's with "Bishonen" came around before Marth.
Also, who'd want to sleep with an old man?
<3
Lucario can kill just as low as Marth can. :D
<3
6. True, use the smashpedia if you don't trust me
Lucario's lines and overall voice is awesome.
He has the voice of GOKU. The friggen voice of GOKU. Marth's Engrish's got nothin' on that.
7. Gay cuestion
Completely valid.
8. Part true, i guess lucario sleeps in a dog house cause he's like a dog.
Someone needs to look back at that Pokedex.

So seriously, are you going to call ******** someone who speaks whit facts.
Depends on their sources, and the validity of their facts.
Regardless, Marth is the superior character... smashpedia just isn't the reason....

Sorry Timber, it's the truth.
That is neither the discussion, nor is it a fact. It is a subjective topic due to their similarities as given in this topic.
 

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Marth's voice actor is Heero Yui from Gundam Wing.

Goku can suck a fat one.

And I'm fairly certain that Marth is one of the first Bishounen for videogames.

Who was bishounen before him?

Link wasn't and neither was Pit.

Marth has always been a pretty boy.
 

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You didn't, it was pre-emptive in case you were taking that view because you never suggested either way, at least in the scope of the discussion you having.

I wasn't being accusatory.
I'm well aware that Marth is a hard matchup for Lucario, I was just laughing as that guy was considering smashwiki as "factual information.". I personally put it as 60:40 in Marth's favor, but I'll probably be bringing a thread in Marth boards in a few days regarding the matchup for Luc matchup thread, unless anyone has a problem with that.


Why are Lucario mains still here >__>
You say that like you don't want us here.
 

alchfilosofer

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Marth's voice actor is Heero Yui from Gundam Wing.

Goku can suck a fat one.

And I'm fairly certain that Marth is one of the first Bishounen for videogames.

Who was bishounen before him?

Link wasn't and neither was Pit.

Marth has always been a pretty boy.
Wow marth have the same voice actor as Heero *marth respect LVL Up*
Also his voice actor voiced Leon Magnus and judas (Leon = the most popular "tales of" character, Judas is like the 5Th most popular tales character (and they're both the same person o_o) now if you have a idea of how big tales is in japan (and how many amazing characters for all taste it the saga as) you should know the overal Leon magnus is like the 80% of goku). now acording to wikipedia "Legend of Zelda Sound Drama (Link)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikaru_Midorikawa.

Also i think the first bishie should be from dragon quest or from FF (there was like 5 RPGs before FE). But wikipedia don't let the images of the protagonists... Well, at least is sure Marth = First bishonen in videogames from nintendo/Tactical_games and the protagonist of the first Strategic RPG.

And i STARED to hate PKM in the 4 generation, because the 4 gen just have like 5 songs that i like, the soundtrack fails, the soundtrack was the ONLY reason i actually like PKM (the other things were just a plus). Heck i could just stand the game until i get dialga then i quited (The only amazing song it had it was "MT. Coronet")
 

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^
Good think we have an actually useful counter
So does lucario... you just use it VERY differently.

It's got tons of ATs.

Also i think the first bishie should be from dragon quest or from FF (there was like 5 RPGs before FE). But wikipedia don't let the images of the protagonists... Well, at least is sure Marth = First bishonen in videogames from nintendo/Tactical_games and the protagonist of the first Strategic RPG.
FF1 didn't have a bishie protagonist, and FF2 and FF3 didn't have them until the rerelease.

Pretty much same story with dragon quest/dragon warrior, not until after marth.
 

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Marth isn't even that much better than Lucario, LOL.

Lucario is just gay. He's a complete noob character for people to spam that roll and camp. I hate Lucario. Those players are easy to beat, but fighting the way you need to win against it is so boring.

Azen should drop Lucario and main Marth instead. :p
 

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Lucario is just gay. He's a complete noob character for people to spam that roll and camp. I hate Lucario. Those players are easy to beat, but fighting the way you need to win against it is so boring.
Hypocritical thing to say coming from a guy maining a character that gets played by every scrub that thinks fair->fair->fsmash is the best combo in Brawl.
 

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Marth's voice actor is Heero Yui from Gundam Wing.
Wow, you're right.

I never saw Heero shoot energy beams out of his hands, though. :p

Goku can suck a fat one.
Yeesh, the hostilities.
And I'm fairly certain that Marth is one of the first Bishounen for videogames.

Who was bishounen before him?

Link wasn't and neither was Pit.

Marth has always been a pretty boy.
...Alright, I'll give you that.
Lucario mains, they haunt your threads.

Oh and Lucario doesn't live in a dog house, he lives in a pokeball.
He doesn't even live in that. He lives in some sort of funky awesome staff thing.

Azen speaks the truth.

Can't the Lucario and Marth mains live in peace?
I demand that the Marth and Lucario be integrated due to Marth's incredible resemblance to Lucario, as stated in this topic!

Why are Lucario mains still here >__>
Can't a guy pop in on his neighbors every once and awhile?
 

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^ That. I couldnt have said it better myself. This whole thread just makes me lol. "People fear marths dair and dont want to get beneath him"? Personally i hate it when people get below me and thats where marth is weakest in the air. (approach from front= fair to face, approach from back = bair to face, approach from above= wtf? uair to the toes)
 

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^ That. I couldnt have said it better myself. This whole thread just makes me lol. "People fear marths dair and dont want to get beneath him"? Personally i hate it when people get below me and thats where marth is weakest in the air. (approach from front= fair to face, approach from back = bair to face, approach from above= wtf? uair to the toes)
*Looks at your location* jk lol.

I agree 100%.
 

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Why was this piece of **** bumped?

And no one is the new Marth.

Until you can combo across the stage into a spike no one is the new mother ****ing Marth.

It's a different engine people.

Get it through your heads.
 
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