Into The New World :: Generation V Competitive Metagame Discussion

[Wave⁂]

Max / max Mantyke survives Specs Starmie's Thunderbolt.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

To counter the Moth of course, resisting both STABS and having high special defense.

And then Hidden Power [Electric] happens.

Also, I don't think Rhydon+Chansey would work as well as Skarmory+Blissey, but we'll have to see.

 

[kirbyraeg]

Rhydon resists both STABs of the moth too...lol.

too bad he's piss defensively if there is no sandstorm.

Also we're just arguing about which is better as a wall with the def-boosting stone, not how they work as a walling duo. XD

 

[Tomo Takino]

And then Hidden Power [Electric] happens.

But then its weak to Heatran. I'm interested to see where the moth goes, its got some big weaknesses, some obvious counters, and limited but not unusable type coverage.

 

[Kofu]

If you need Mantyke to counter Urugamoth, then you suck.

Yes, it's very powerful, but it definitely has weaknesses that you can exploit.

 

[Tomo Takino]

Kofu, I don't think the majority of this evo stone discussion is meant to be taken seriously.

 

[Wave⁂]

Mothra kind of HAS to carry HP Ground for Heatran / other Fire-types.

 

[kirbyraeg]

So the best counter is that water/fighting thingy.

 

[UltiMario]

Max / max Mantyke survives Specs Starmie's Thunderbolt.

What.

What did you just say.

 

[kirbyraeg]

Starmie isn't that strong, you know.

Fast, but not very strong...

 

[UltiMario]

Base 100 SpA boosted by Choice Specs using a 95 base Power move against a Pokemon that's 4x weak to it.

How does it NOT die, even WITH the stone.

 

[kirbyraeg]

STAB is more important than anything else.

Lanturn's Thunderbolt is stronger than Starmie's thunderbolt by about like...a significant amount.

 

[Gates]

To quote you, Gates:

Wow, you really suck at this whole "posting on the internet" thing huh?

And anyway, that wasn't directed at you, it was directed about Crashic's Onyx circle jerk.

Max / max Mantyke survives Specs Starmie's Thunderbolt.

Max/Max Duskull survives Scarf Garchomp Earthquake.

 

[UltiMario]

BTW, Tail Glow now gives either +3, +4, or +5 SpA, most probably +3.

 

[Kofu]

Max/Max Duskull survives Scarf Garchomp Earthquake.

Of course it does, Duskull has Levitate.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Max/Max Duskull survives Scarf Garchomp Earthquake.

Duskull can take his Return, too.

 

[Pete278]

Duskull single-handedly counters a Curselax set that only has Return and Earthquake

 

[Terywj [태리]]

What kind of CurseLax only runs Return and Earthquake? Fire Punch / Crunch is almost necessary...

 

[Tomo Takino]

Its a joke Tery.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Its a joke Tery.

Joke? What joke? I see no joke. You're telling me this a joke?

Terywj used Troll.

Also, Manaphy says hi with Tail Glow.

 

[kirbyraeg]

SPEAKING OF TROLL

does anybody know how much stronger it gets per team member that knows it?

 

[PowerBomb]

SPEAKING OF TROLL

does anybody know how much stronger it gets per team member that knows it?

Doesn't work that way, I think. It's more like you and your team mates have to use it consecutively for it to get stronger.

It really sucks :/

 

[Tomo Takino]

Power you are thinking of Echo Voice.

And I'm not sure, I'm just certain it doesn't work on Shoddy Battle yet, because I had 6 choice spec uber users and that move didn't do ****.

 

[PowerBomb]

Power you are thinking of Echo Voice.

And I'm not sure, I'm just certain it doesn't work on Shoddy Battle yet, because I had 6 choice spec uber users and that move didn't do ****.

*****, where are your Choice Specs Adaptability Porygon-Z?

EDIT: Who hosts Machamp's Pants? Probably wrong place to ask but eh

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Power you are thinking of Echo Voice.

No, I'm pretty sure he's right. It has to be used consecutively in order to increase the damage output, basically. Someone on Smogon tested or something.

Scenario 1:
Pokemon A used Troll! (No teammates have Troll)
Pokemon B took 10% damage.

Scenario 2:
Pokemon A used Troll! (All teammates have Troll, Pokemon A is exactly the same)
Pokemon B took 10% damage. (Pokemon B is exactly the same)

Scenario 3:
Pokemon A used Troll! (Pokemon A is exactly the same)
Pokemon B took 10% damage.
Pokemon B used Troll! (Pokemon B is exactly like Pokemon A)
Pokemon A took 20% damage.

Something along those lines.

 

[PowerBomb]

So, did anyone notice how Explosion doesn't halve your defense in damage calcs anymore?

 

[Tomo Takino]

****, is that true? I don't know if want.

 

[Wrath`]

So does this mean Explosion is a bad move now? Or will some pokemon still pack it.

 

[Tomo Takino]

It means pokemon like Metagross will probably still pack it, but special attackers like Heatran will not, assuming this is true.

 

[Wave⁂]

Gengar's Explosion isn't going to be hurting anything.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

So does this mean Explosion is a bad move now? Or will some pokemon still pack it.

Generally the Pokemon which used Explosion used it as a last ditch attempt or bait attempt against something through halving out their defense. Now that Explosion doesn't do that anymore, it's not as "good."

For example, Magnezone can take Explosions nicely now without worrying about a defense half.

 

[MetallicMario]

Wow, you really suck at this whole "posting on the internet" thing huh?

Dude, where have you been for the past 5 months. You should know by now I suck at the internet. Get with the program.

Getting back on topic, I didn't know Explosion lowered defence.

 

[Tomo Takino]

I'm glad to see Heatran take a tiny fall, but sad to see Gengar lose some of its 1000+ sets.

 

[Gates]

Dude, where have you been for the past 5 months.

Not reading your posts, clearly.

I still don't believe this whole "Explosion not halving defence" thing was an intentional nerf. I'm sure it's just a minor glitch.

 

[kirbyraeg]

minor glitch or no, it just made Blissey a lot more powerful

 

[Tomo Takino]

Blissey has to deal with so much other crap this gen though.

I wonder how long we will have to wait to get all of these crazy threats from the dream world. There's even a chance some won't be released for all we know.

 

[mood4food77]

yea like those crazy SpA hitting Def attacks, no wish, and mischievous heart taunt users

 

[Wave⁂]

Blissey is a great special sponge. In the last few generations, something that can 3HKO Blissey with special moves is really quite amazing. Now, we have multiple Pokémon who can 2HKO with special moves.

 

[Tomo Takino]

I'm thinking Rain Stall will be incredibly potent. A lot of new water pokemon got rain stall based abiliteis, naturally or via dream world, and grass and steel pokemon themselves are pretty decent stall users and would appreciate the decreased damage from fire attacks. Then throw on Zapdose and you've got yourself pretty decent synergy on that alone.

So
Politoad
Tanagrowth
Tentacruel
Bronzong
Physically Defensive Zapdose
Thick Fat Mamoswine

Just off the top of my head.

 

[Kofu]

But can they deal with the boosted Water attacks? Tangrowth can't take Special Attacks, and Mamoswine is still weak to Water.

In other news, it's a possibility that you can transfer Pokémon to the Dream World and have their Abilities changed.

But it's uncertain for now.