Into The New World :: Generation V Competitive Metagame Discussion

[Tomo Takino]

Oh god I hope so.

Toxic Heal Roost Gligar will be amazing.

 

[PowerBomb]

You guys are all using Machamp's pants, right?

How are you guys connecting to it? It seems like it's always down for me.

Spoiler

Yeah I know wrong place to ask

 

[Tomo Takino]

We've been over this PowerBomb xD As Ulti says, CRASHiC is having internet problems. Don't know what, you'll have to ask Ulti for more information.

 

[PowerBomb]

All right, gotcha. Guess I'll have to wait a while.

Maybe I'll build a team or something. Not sure what to choose though. I know Eruufen (or w/e) has something going for it.

 

[Circa]

All right, gotcha. Guess I'll have to wait a while.

Maybe I'll build a team or something. Not sure what to choose though. I know Eruufen (or w/e) has something going for it.

Erufuun @ Leftovers
Jolly or Timid / Mischievous Heart
Either 216 Speed EVs (I believe that's what you need to outpace the Rosus) or max Speed EVs (to tie with opposing Erufuun), the rest of your EVs into your defenses to even them out
- Taunt
- Substitute
- Leech Seed
- Encore / Protect / Tickle / Toxic / Memento

There's your Erufuun set. The last slot will usually go to Encore, but each other move listed has some desirable qualities as well that make them at least worth considering. The other moves usually are worse choices though.

EDIT@M4F: All the dangerous Mischievous Heart Taunt users have Mischievous Heart as their standard ability. Lolz.

 

[Tomo Takino]

Don't mind me, I'm in your game, killing your dragons with my 125 Attack, 101 speed, decent bulk, Outrage, Exploison, Sword Dance, StoneEdge, and two great abilities to boost my attack even more, a ho ho.

Sadly though, you can't put this and a dragon on the same team, because then you would be incredibly vulnerable to Cloyster sweep (yes I just said that, this metagame is weird).

 

[mood4food77]

EDIT@M4F: All the dangerous Mischievous Heart Taunt users have Mischievous Heart as their standard ability. Lolz.

i don't get what you're trying to get at....

i was referring to what limits blissey now and since mischievous heart is out there, taunt users with it will make her head asplode

 

[Tomo Takino]

Are any Mischievous Heart users special attackers, ya know, the reason you would put her on your team? No? well okay then.

 

[kirbyraeg]

Except that one electric/flying genie. That one still gets walled.

 

[PowerBomb]

Hey, does the Rugged Helmet disappear after one use? Or does it work so long as you hold it?

And how much health does it remove?

 

[Tomo Takino]

It removes the same amount as Rough Skin, its constant use last time I heard.

 

[PowerBomb]

Rough Skin + Rugged Helmet Netterei sounds like a pain to deal with using Physical Attackers. Although it'll badly need Wish support/Leech Seed use.

 

[Tomo Takino]

Blissey+Necterei the new core? Maybe, probably not haha.

 

[kirbyraeg]

Rough Skin + Rugged Helmet Netterei sounds like a pain to deal with using Physical Attackers. Although it'll badly need Wish support/Leech Seed use.

Sounds like delicious Shandera bait.

 

[Kofu]

Rugged Helmet actually removes 1/6 Health.

 

[PowerBomb]

Sounds like delicious Shandera bait.

Not without Shadow Tag. Shandera isn't exactly amazing defensively either.

 

[kirbyraeg]

Well true but Nattorei doesn't get any good ground/rock moves...and its stab coverage is resisted. That's like saying Starmie doesn't counter Infernape because it doesn't have good bulk, when Shandera has basically the same defensive stats and resists its STAB moves just like in that other scenario.

 

[PowerBomb]

I didn't mean by Netterrei attacking. I meant in general.

 

[JOE!]

so, that random Pure Dragon with Overconfidance/Rough skin...any good?

 

[M.K]

I've been running:

DrizzleToed
Shell Smash Omastar
DD'ing Zuruzurkin
Dry Skin Jynx
Specs Sazando
Rapid Spin/Spikes Forretress

If they don't have entry hazards, my Omastar absolutely DESTROYS things. It can survive any hit with a Focus Sash, then proceeds to sweep with Rain Support, Swift Swim, +2 Speed/Sp. Attack.

So. Epic.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

You're sending Omastar in on the "revenge kill" to setup, right? Also, what's your spread on Omastar because even if you pull off a Shell Break, you're going to KO one Pokemon before they bring in priority and you only get the one kill. But as with all Shell Break users they're hard to sweep through regardless.

 

[Ryu Shimazu]

Ah. My bad Gates, I didn't know it was an egg move in 4th gen. That sucks D:

 

[Zook]

Can Lightening Rod Seaking actually do anything other than be immune to Electric-type moves?

 

[kirbyraeg]

Yeah he can sweep with like his awesome coverage.

 

[Tomo Takino]

Let's get this discussion a bit more productive and pointed. Ideas for countering these pokemon:


We need counters for the following pokemon:
Offense:
Doryuzuu
Garchomp
Terakion
Randorosu
Breloom
Latios
Metagross
Kojondo
Deoxys-A
Sazandora
Cloyster

Stall:
Burunkuru
Nattorei
Wobbuffet
Erefuun
Blissey
Hippowdon
Skarmory
Gliscor
Celebi
Zuruzukin

 

[PowerBomb]

Dream World abilities or not?

 

[M.K]

You're sending Omastar in on the "revenge kill" to setup, right? Also, what's your spread on Omastar because even if you pull off a Shell Break, you're going to KO one Pokemon before they bring in priority and you only get the one kill. But as with all Shell Break users they're hard to sweep through regardless.

I bring him in late game when I'm able to spot/kill all the priority users that I see. I know something like Roopushin is running Mach Punch, so obviously I have to do away with him / Scizor / anything else that looks like it has priority before I bring him in.

Also, does anyone know the new IP address for the 5th gen server?

 

[Tomo Takino]

Dream World abilities or not?

Except for Shanderra, because there are no counters for Shadowtag, unless you have shed bell, in which case they aren't using Shanderra right, or your entire team has shed bell haha.

 

[kirbyraeg]

So teams will have to prepare for Shandera+Erufuun.

As a pair they redefine the entire metagame, as any potential setup can be instantly switched in on and crushed, and specific components of teams can be trapped and finished off. Tyranitar can be lured in by a different target like Starmie and trapped himself.

Thoughts?

 

[Tomo Takino]

Doesn't seem too difficult to handle on paper. There are quite a few pokemon who don't have an issue, they don't have an answer to sun based stat boost, and If you really need to set up a pokemon on them, Espeon can just run its Jump set by switching in on the grass pokemon, using a calm mind, outspeeding and OHKOing Shanderra in the next turn with Psychic, baton passing to something else.

 

[PowerBomb]

What's this 'Support Clause' thing I keep hearing about on /vp/? I mean, /tr/ainers tears are delicious, but what's that about?

Also, Netterei gets Payback/Shadow Claw. It also gets Thunderbolt/Thunder, but no Volt Change for some reason. Kind of... strange. It has a good movepool though, as well as Rock Polish and Claw Sharpen. I guess Shendera doesn't completely kill it...

 

[The Real Gamer]

Erefuun is just obnoxious.

 

[Tomo Takino]

In a lot of ways, Hippowdown is now a better Sandstorm pokemon than TTar, oddly enough.

The new 4 Horsemen pokemon completely **** with TTar, and to make matters worse, Terakion is amazing in Sandstorm, turning it into an incredibly bulky pokemon. Hippowdown can deal with all of these except for the Water/Fighting, who TTar can't deal with either.

The Metal Mole rips TTar apart as well, and Hippowdown can take him on too.

Then there is the ever rising Nasty Plot Vacume Wave Lucario and Life Orb Technican Breloom, rising to deal with Metal Mole and Cloyster, also do wonders against TTar.

TTar isn't hopless, don't get me wrong, but if I was looking to make a sandstorm team, my main Streamer would be Hippowdown.

 

[kirbyraeg]

What about CurseTar?

The only real weakness TTar has is users of Fighting moves. Granted, that's a lot of stuff, but they'll all be scared of Shandera. =D

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Except Dragon Dance Derpmon. :3

I really want to playtest that guy. Shed Skin / Overconfidence are great abilities, and something like Shed Skin with Rest / Dragon Dance seems something that could really really work.

 

[Tomo Takino]

Intimdate is probably your best bet. With Intimdate, he's as bulky as Skarmory except with special bulk to go with it. Its weak to Fighting which is unfortunate, but other than that, its a great Bulky Offense pokemon.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Well I find Rest / Dragon Dance with Shed Skin more interesting.

 

[Tomo Takino]

wait, shed skin can rid of Rest???

 

[Wave⁂]

wait, shed skin can rid of Rest???

Yeah, it can cure sleep.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

wait, shed skin can rid of Rest???

It cures any status effect.

With the percent chance, obviously.