Ike Boards General/Q&A Thread

[Berserker Swordsman]

furget

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H47ow4_Cmk0

 

[Ussi]

Everyone is bringing up how San beat Gnes LOL

 

[ravemaster47]

mr. doom did fairly well as well. only 3-4 ikes were even at mlg dallas. me included.

 

[theeboredone]

mr. doom did fairly well as well. only 3-4 ikes were even at mlg dallas. me included.

If by winning against people he should have and lose to the people he should have, then sure.

 

[-RedX-]

Never heard of someone winning a national while only losing 1 game throughout the whole thing. o_o

 

[Ussi]

MLG Orlando

 

[jamlosingthegame]

I'm Furry

What has science done!?

 

[Ussi]

i'll be back to normal once I get to watch Kanon get captured...

 

[san.]

I'm pretty sure I read that like a year ago.

 

[Ussi]

Key word "watch" not "read"

 

[Senliten]

What has science done!?

The complete opposite of what we wanted it to do.
And Ussi's avy makes me want to set fire to little puppies

 

[Teh Brettster]

Insert /b/ joke about furries vs pedophiles here.

 

[theeboredone]

It's bad enough it had to be a furry, but a chibi/non-adult furry at that. Ussi likes them underage.

 

[Senliten]

It's bad enough it had to be a furry, but a chibi/non-adult furry at that. Ussi likes them underage.

10% is my limit, any higher and i'd take a bullet to the brain XD
Ussi however has shown to be loving them 60%+'s lol

 

[Ussi]

they need love too you know

 

[fatalsolid01]

Is there a thread showing what characters and percents the b-throw to dash attack combo works on?

 

[Ussi]

FFFF I'm gonna put that in the guide right now

vvv Added to "Following up"

 

[-RedX-]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10985745&postcount=1306

 

[san.]

Anyone find the bthrow->dash attack buffer pretty difficult? I can do it ~20-55% on people around 2/3 of the time, and 65-tumble % (85+) around 100% of the time, but you want to buffer it and not dtilt. And I do that input multiple times in just about every match. That's why I'm not too confident doing it at lower %s.

 

[Berserker Swordsman]

I never used to have a problem doing it until I started playing offline. >_> That wifi buffer window was actually kinda convenient.

 

[Blubolouis]

I end up doing dtilt instead of dash attack about 1/4 time. Much more when it should be a free kill on walk-off stages, when i'm so tense i mess up.

Also, do we have a similar thread about fthrow>dash attack?
And on the same topic, do you have to buffer the dash attack after grab releasing pikachu? Cause sometimes, well, it doesn't connect .ç.

 

[Ussi]

if you have tilt stick, can't you use backwards? Least if you mess up you only do a jab.. I completely forget cause i just naturally use Cdown.

And yes you do need to buffer dash attack out of grab release, same with MK and diddy and such.

 

[Nysyarc]

if you have tilt stick, can't you use backwards?

This.

I think I mentioned this in here before. With tilt stick you just hit back in any direction (straight back, diagonal up or down and back, doesn't matter) and you'll DA, same timing as hitting down, and if you mess up you just do a quick Jab.

 

[Teh Brettster]

The wonders of Auto-Correct in text messages.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

lol web address gets censored.

 

[Zigsta]

Ussi's gone furry?!

 

[Ussi]

I watched a replay of mine and noticed i did a auto canceled Quickdraw o_o

yea legit AUTO CANCEL like move right away


I've been messing around, an ideal height to release QD is half Ike's SH height

 

[san.]

Canceling the lag of quickdraw seems like it has potential imo. That's why I was asking about it a little while back. It's not hard to get the timing down to seemingly cancel the lag. Well, at least it definitely helps in making it more viable for recovery.

 

[Nysyarc]

Hmm... the slide after landing can be deceiving though, and it can look like an auto-cancel when in fact you're still getting the same amount of ending frames as you would if you used it on the ground and didn't hit anything. According to Kirk's frame data the only two types of landings for an aerial QD are a soft landing (IASA 13 frames) and a hard landing (IASA 31 frames).

So, landing an aerial QD before entering helpless frames (about half of Ike's short-hop height or less like Ussi said) will result in exactly the same amount of landing lag as an Nair. Which is not very much, and which is why it may look or seem like an AC at times.

 

[Ussi]

Hmmm well its great for moving around the stage when there isn't something in your way.. so running away




I keep watching my replay but I think i'm above the said height o_O!! I need someone to record this replay for me... (I might as well get it critiqued too)

I'm sad i'm only noticing this now too... this is from Apex >_>

 

[san.]

I guess I'll have to recheck myself, to see how it is.


EDIT: Definitely a lot less lag than nair could ever hope to have.

 

[Nysyarc]

I love to use QD onto platforms and even sometimes just on a short-hop to move across a stage and get in position for an edge guard. The landing lag is negligible as long as you don't do it too high off the ground, and it's much faster than dashing to cover short distances.

But yah, if it could be auto-canceled somehow, I guarantee you it would be known by now, lol.

 

[-RedX-]

There's 3 types of landing I noticed with QD.
One from going into free fall, then there's one where you just SH and QD. And the "auto-canceled" one.

 

[Slaps]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipEJ2zF_6d8#t=1m22s sooo yeah this should have been known already...

 

[san.]

It's definitely a lot less lag than nair, dude. Seems like it cancels to me, and there seem to be more than 2 different timings of lag, too.

@Slaps, that's definitely QD with the soft landing lag.

 

[Nysyarc]

And the "auto-canceled" one.

Debug mode YouTube video or it didn't happen.

I'm pretty darn sure it's impossible to auto-cancel QD, and I'm also pretty sure there's only those two types of landings. I think the slide you get if you do it close enough to the ground is just deceiving.

If someone can prove me wrong though, I would not complain. Auto-canceling QD would be amazing.

 

[Ussi]

Someone upload this Replay for me, AC QD happens at 45 seconds into the replay

the condition though is that you have epic music hacked on Menu on the stage battlefield

San just a self test, do FF nair and buffer a dash then do "AC" QD and then buffer a dash, its how i am testing it

 

[Nysyarc]

It's definitely a lot less lag than nair, dude. Seems like it cancels to me, and there seem to be more than 2 different timings of lag, too.

@Slaps, that's definitely QD with the soft landing lag.

Well, tell it to Kirk, not me, lol. He used debug mode to test that stuff, but he may not have tested using QD at every conceivable height from the ground, so you never know.

And yah in that vid of Ryo you can definitely see the landing animation before the Fsmash animation starts. Thirteen frames isn't very long either, and it's hard to compare the same amount of frames for two different attacks that have Ike moving at two very different speeds.

 

[Ussi]

Okai what i have noticed, ITS ONLY THE HALF HEIGHT when the AC works, any lower and you get the soft landing lag

 

[Nysyarc]

I do want to see this video of yours Ussi, if someone could quickly upload even just the section with the QD that would be great. Honestly I've never had QD auto-cancel that I can recall, so I'm curious.

Keep in mind that when an attack auto-cancels, it means you can perform another action one frame after your character's feet touch the ground. That means almost literally no time at all. So you should be watching for how soon after Ike's feet touch the ground that you can perform an action, maybe relative to an auto-canceled Bair rather than Nair.