Ike Boards General/Q&A Thread

[san.]

Pivot grab is good against airdodge, but it's ESSENTIAL to be able to jab an air dodge ON REACTION if it comes out. It'll help you out a lot.

Being quick with hitconfirming your jabs also helps a lot.


I also need to take some notes from Mr. Doom and use smash attacks near the edge more often.

 

[Ussi]

Why: because you slide out of lag and can do a bair to shield poke

Or they fall of the stage

 

[Zatchiel]

@Title: If Brett gets to be Bored, can I be San?

I love pivot grabbing Wario. It's just, most of our options out of the grab release are better suited for KOing, imo. What would you guys keep fresh? I'd probably keep Utilt as my fresh move, unless the stage has platforms that I know can interfere, then I'd have Bair fresh (enough), instead.

 

[Mr. Doom]

@Ussi - Both. It covers you for a little bit if it pushes them off stage, and you can get a good read and put the hurt on them if they try to airdodge back onto the stage. Or... You could hit their shield again and knock 'em back onto the ledge.

The other reason, you falling off stage, if you face towards the edge while doing usmash, you can buffer a bair as you fall off and either poke their shield or chip it away some more. Do that enough times and people will start to wet their pants. I can understand if it's a hype match, but still...

Okay, this has started to bug me lately...

Is it just me, or does almost EVERYONE try to FSmash after hitting with a Fair? Especially after a string of hits, like what Mr. Doom did to BSL on his last stock. The FSmash just always seems to come after a Fair o.O

I dunno. It just seems cool, I suppose. You can do whatever you want. I just happen to auto-cancel fair after hitting my opponent and can either f-smash or u-smash.

 

[san.]

@ Ussi, more the first just so you can grab the ledge.

I find fairs to be easier when pushing a person's shield offstage but of course there's room for usmash there, too.

 

[Berserker Swordsman]

@Title: If Brett gets to be Bored, can I be San?

I love pivot grabbing Wario. It's just, most of our options out of the grab release are better suited for KOing, imo. What would you guys keep fresh? I'd probably keep Utilt as my fresh move, unless the stage has platforms that I know can interfere, then I'd have Bair fresh (enough), instead.

Don't forget Ftilt. Honestly, I have so much fun just being able to GR->followup that I don't even keep track of what to keep fresh. Just jab to refresh. >_>

 

[Zatchiel]

I know Ftilt's there, it's just harder to think of than Utilt in many situations unless you're playing on some stage that can have close sides, like Delfino. Also, is AR > Nair legit on Wario? In March, I always did it while trying to Bair, and it managed to hit each time. I like aerial chases Nair sets up, so just thought I'd ask.

 

[san.]

You can dair I guess.

I usually do the bthrow dash attack anyways to get Wario offstage.

 

[Nysyarc]

I usually do the bthrow dash attack anyways to get Wario offstage.

I'd only do that if he left his bike on-stage (which he shouldn't be doing, but can happen). Otherwise I think the free damage from pummeling a bit -> GR follow-up is more worth it, plus pummeling will refresh stuff. On SV they may wait for the platform to grab-break, giving you plenty of free pummels... until they figure out you like to pummel, but then they grab-break early and you get a free whatever.

I prefer to use Utilt and Bair for damage, mostly Utilt, and keep Ftilt fresh for KOing since I pretty much never use Ftilt for anything else anyways. Bair I tend to use only at low percents so I can try to follow it up.

 

[Mr. Doom]

Does f-tilt have more ko potential than b-air? And I take it you have to angle f-tilt up in order to hit Fart Wario, right?

 

[Ussi]

I think the angle doesn't matter for killing, but angled up to hit at all out of grab release.

I think bair is better at sending wario at a bad angle if they expect utilt.

 

[Nysyarc]

I think bair is better at sending wario at a bad angle if they expect utilt.

I dunno, I think they're about the same and if anything Ftilt would have a more horizontal angle, I've seen people DI Bair and end up going more vertical than horizontal, but I've yet to see that happen with Ftilt. Plus Bair is generally an overused move (not without good reason) while Ftilt will very likely, and definitely should, be fresh.

 

[Ussi]

I've seen pat g angles when people got hit by bair :x

Plus bair is harder to anticipate when it comes to the hitbox coming out.

 

[Zatchiel]

If you buffer a turnaround then Bair, it's not something most would expect. I've gotten a Wario to SDI straight down on Bair, expecting Utilt. I took his first two stocks with Utilt, so I can assume those played a role in what he was expecting.

I also finally got the Bthrow > Fair KO on SV's side off the moving platform. Killed at 70-something.

 

[Ussi]

I watched an old wifi biweekly match between me and redx...

Redx needs to stop dying to bthrow > dair lololol

Its like ya AD expecting DA but in comes walk off dair.. Well that soundes better, i dair'd him before SAF on aether happened.

 

[theeboredone]

All about conditioning the player to expect one or the other. I always start out by repeatedly doing up-tilt, and then try to get a GR followed up with f-tilt.

 

[benaji261!]

Need sleep.

But can't sleep.

Should be playing wifi or something.

Fighting a lvl 9 Marth instead with music hacks.

Why am I awake? lol

 

[rPSIvysaur]

this title!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx902fZL7Y4

 

[Berserker Swordsman]

Happy B-Day Brett. X3 Know that you apparently share the same birthday as Xyro's daughter.

 

[Kirk]

Ftilt is better for KB...it sends at the same angle as Bair does, has a higher BKB, and does 1% more damage, which contributes to an overall greater KBG(that data thread is useful!) Not to mention Bair will probably be more stale than Ftilt.

And its probably just me, but the last tourney I went to I got 2 stocked by a luigi in winners...had to switch cause it wasn't working out. I'm sure I was prolly doing something wrong lol.

And happy birthday! :D

 

[Ussi]

Happy birthday

You're life so sad its funn- *shot*

 

[Teh Brettster]

All about conditioning the player to expect one or the other. I always start out by repeatedly doing up-tilt, and then try to get a GR followed up with f-tilt.

Yes. This.

Ftilt is better for KB...it sends at the same angle as Bair does, has a higher BKB, and does 1% more damage, which contributes to an overall greater KBG(that data thread is useful!) Not to mention Bair will probably be more stale than Ftilt.

And its probably just me, but the last tourney I went to I got 2 stocked by a luigi in winners...had to switch cause it wasn't working out. I'm sure I was prolly doing something wrong lol.

And happy birthday! :D

Just FF Nair all day, lol.

And thankies. =D

Happy birthday

You're life so sad its funn- *shot*

I know... it's inevitably coming...

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Happy B-day Brett!

 

[Mr. Doom]

How old is the old fart, now?
Happy B-day, Brett.

 

[Nysyarc]

Happy birthday Brett! Have a good one... or three, or four, or five (referring to cakes, not your birthday, although have a good one too).

 

[san.]

Happy birthday, Brett. Check your Steam

 

[Heartstring]

happy birthday brett
enjoy ageing

 

[AN(M)ist]

Happy Brithday.
Now where's that cake? Really wanna see how it looked.

 

[Teh Brettster]

Well, I have only my first of two cakes right now. One that I request from my family every year-- buttermilk cake... so good. It'll be gone by tomorrow... sometime in the coming week, I'll have my fiend make the next cake and when I go to pick it up, I'll take a picture.

San, what a I checking Steam for?

And thanks everyone for the birthday wishes. They're all appreciated. =]
Oh, how old am I now? I'm 21 starting 3:01pm Central time... 2 hours and 46 minutes from this post.

 

[AN(M)ist]

sooo..... I'm elder to you by 6 months and 38 days. Dunno what time I was born so not gonna bother calculating that.

 

[jamlosingthegame]

Happy Birthday Brett!!

I know I linked that before, but it's still pretty funny.

 

[Mozz]

Happy Birthday Brett, don't waste your 21st drinking all day, it would be too cliche and you are anything but cliche!

 

[Berserker Swordsman]

So.

New MvC3 characters.

Phoenix Wright.

 

[Heartstring]

i know i know
im gonna have to buy this game, just to play him

 

[Berserker Swordsman]

Capcom has never made me so happy to have not bought a game before. Not playing Street Fighter probably helped

 

[san.]

This is just what Crapcom does.

It's up there with Activision and those other sleazy developers in screwing over their fans/consumers.

They also added a new Mega Man Legends stage, but canceled MML3 for the 3DS.

They also added Phoenix Wright, but refuse to release Ace Attorney 2 in the US.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

>No new MegaMan characters

brb, selling MvC3.

 

[Mozz]

Hey, they might have MegaMan as standalone DLC for $5 or something crazy, (unsure of frowny or smiley face for that)

 

[Teh Brettster]

Guys. Click on my name. View public profile. I think my hype cake will actually have a tough time topping what Global-Wolf just sent me.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Hey, they might have MegaMan as standalone DLC for $5 or something crazy, (unsure of frowny or smiley face for that)

No, Capcom has been claiming it would be "too difficult to add MegaMan". Yet they can make a lawyer moveset just fine. >_>