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Unless you predict the Bomb coming, the Bomb will move Bowser fast enough to grab the ledge before you can realistically use Aether most of the time. This is mostly theorycraft though, so I won't argue about it too much.
Except when you get usmashed or faired right out of it by Ike's dominating range.Unless you predict the Bomb coming, the Bomb will move Bowser fast enough to grab the ledge before you can realistically use Aether most of the time. This is mostly theorycraft though, so I won't argue about it too much.
A lot of the time I'll try to Klaw you while landing, but that's just because it autocancels and beats out almost everything. (The Klaw is awesome.)
Yeah, the Klaw won't beat that. (Unless it's like, spaced very badly, which I doubt will happen.)
Its pretty much range and spacing vs grabs and fire..
Pretty much. Remember that Bowser can space very well himself, and he can attack much faster then most would expect.
My reaction.
Italian Spiderman is the greatest thing ever created.
I actually think it's even, but that's just from a Bowser player's perspective. Whether the matchup is 45-55, 50-50, or 55-45, it really don't matter much since all of those ratios pretty much mean "it's even."
It appears both the Pacific ocean and the North American continent can't stop true love, can they?
umm no you can react with aether from the bomb. this isn't theory crafting I've done it.Unless you predict the Bomb coming, the Bomb will move Bowser fast enough to grab the ledge before you can realistically use Aether most of the time. This is mostly theorycraft though, so I won't argue about it too much.
A lot of the time I'll try to Klaw you while landing, but that's just because it autocancels and beats out almost everything. (The Klaw is awesome.)
NOPE... but religion can ^^ (She was Mormon and he wasn't [the complications are way too hectic])It appears both the Pacific ocean and the North American continent can't stop true love, can they?
Burrito you're probably the biggest theory debunker. There is something called reaction lag lol...
For the record, both the aerial and grounded versions of Aether hit on frame 18, the same frame (IIRC) that the super armor frames activate.
There is only one Ike player in Hawaii worth mentioning. His name is Lucky, and he's pretty darn good if I do say so. The dude is very tricky with his Fsmash, and I've experienced it first hand at a tournament. (I did win the set though, so yay me.)
Nah, it's fine. I'm not the type to argue anyway. I'm just here to promote healthy debate. Plus, it's such a minor thing anyway.
Consider it a insulting compliment
You debunk things that should be debunked but also I find some things iffy from what you say.
For a heavy weight his spot dodge and roll are both fast. Most heavy weights have more vulnerable frames.
You mean besides either rolling behind and fsmashing, or just plain utilting you out of it? I've had counter work wonders.
Nice. I guess we now have another option against Bowser's Fire.
Wait, so it was the weaker fire?
Yea, we were talking about how QD could beat out a fire all the way through since we can charge QD forever... We were doing a fire vs QD challenge.
Yeah, but a Bowser player will never keep shooting Fire if you're not getting hit by it. As soon as you break out, he'll stop shooting. If he misses the Fire altogether, then he'll just stop shooting as quick as possible.
But if you let go of fire we still punish you with QD, that's the thing.
well its free damage lol... and QD can kill when charged..Uncharged quick draw does like, 10% right?
Definitely worth the risk. Fire is just too good to not use.
It's really unlikely to be charged though. I can definately see myself getting hit by the uncharged version though.
if it isn't charged we'll stop in front of you and utilt/jab >utilt :OOO Bowser's not a vertical survivor now is he now!
Bowser's Fire has considerable range. It's most likely that you won't be able to Jab or Tilt him after you've DI'ed out of it. Quick Draw is believable though.
He has the 2nd best vertical survivability if I remember correctly, after Dedede.
