Silent Laughter
Smash Cadet
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Seriously. He camps flawlessly. He throws Pikmin while never approaching and then he just grabs. I'm outranged like everywhere. And then...look I just need tips. >_>
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How do you people deal with Olimar?
- Thread starter Silent Laughter
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8AngeL8
Smash Lord
You'll have to be a bit more patient than usual. No one has achieved truly perfect camp yet, you wait for him to make a mistake. Once you spot on opening, get him off stage and gimp as fast as possible.
brinboy789
Smash Champion
approach him and spam nair to avoid pikmin camping, and approach him from the air, space REALLLLY well to avoid grab / usmash.
Silent Laughter
Smash Cadet
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Well, I say his camping is perfect because he has everything a cowardly player could ever ask for. And thanks.
hectichobo
Smash Ace
Use bowser, once all those little pikman are on you.... BAMM Twirly pointed turtleshell of death. Bye bye pikman.
Advance
Smash Apprentice
Try using projectiles, and if he throws a pikmin onto you, smash it off, that will kill it, and sooner or later he will have to pull another, then attack.
I guess.
I guess.
Silent Laughter
Smash Cadet
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He can grab you out of tornado if you dont use it carefully. I use tornado off the ground and approach with it. I also use it as a means to get him air borne so i can land in some lethal aerials. A good olimar knows he shouldnt get into an aerial game with MK. I also find approaching with dtilt at the edge of a stage can lead into a trip for him and a good dsmash for you. But i wouldnt rely on that too much, since your much safer approaching with a off ground tornado. Dont forget you need to kill any pikmin on you prior to nadoing, since the last hit of nado kills off pikmin. You cant afford to take extra damage.
Now, as a guy that likes playing Oli. Two of my favorite stages are Luigis Mansion and Mario Circuit. The platform hights make aerial approaches some times diffcult and i generally like to camp in the bottum middle of luigis mansion and under one of the ramps in Mario Circuit.
But yea like someone else pointed out, the key is Spacing. If he starts grabing back off, watch out for pikmin spam and punish when he makes mistakes.
Now, as a guy that likes playing Oli. Two of my favorite stages are Luigis Mansion and Mario Circuit. The platform hights make aerial approaches some times diffcult and i generally like to camp in the bottum middle of luigis mansion and under one of the ramps in Mario Circuit.
But yea like someone else pointed out, the key is Spacing. If he starts grabing back off, watch out for pikmin spam and punish when he makes mistakes.
DemonicTrilogy
Smash Lord
His strategy requires much patience since he can only grab you when you are recoverying from lag in a move. Since Meta Knight has very little lag in his aerials, I would advise that you approach with fairs and dairs continuously to keep yourself in the air so that he can't grab you. Uair is a good move to get the Pikmen off you and it allows you to fully refresh all your moves if you hit them ten times in a row so think of his pikmen toss as a opprotunity to refresh, not a pressuring tactic. Once you get Olimar in the air, you basically have the advantage so try to gimp his poor recovery and you should be good to go.
haha yea I love beating crappy olimars.. But my friend p~s like ***** the **** out of me now a days. Try approaching him with that when he just knocks you out of it. He pivot grabs me as I am touching the group from a jump WHAT THE HELL is that... then he spaces so well I feel like I am at the disadvantage. You try gimping him off the stage and you go yes.. muhahaha!! then wTf whistle omg ??? I just got spiked somehow... when I tried to up+b to kill him and save my own life. Your best bet is try to get him off keep him off with a dair / fair and then hold the ledge. and pray that his up+b does not spike you off that random bs.
I'm going to go ahead and post what I posted in Atomisks thread..it kind of died after I posted this though XD.
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I think it's in MK's favor at least 60-40.
You create options in this match-up as MK by approaching slowly and batting away projectiles as you go with fair, as you get closer to the end of the stage, olimar has less options and then you take advantage of that fact. Olimar can't pivot grab at the edge, he can't camp well there, so he's just going to try and get past you making most of his moves telegraphed(something that almost never applys to olimar).
This is the same way you should approach the match-up with GW, but MK does it better because of his aireals.
This match-up really shows how important stage control can be, and most people don't realize this.
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I think it's in MK's favor at least 60-40.
You create options in this match-up as MK by approaching slowly and batting away projectiles as you go with fair, as you get closer to the end of the stage, olimar has less options and then you take advantage of that fact. Olimar can't pivot grab at the edge, he can't camp well there, so he's just going to try and get past you making most of his moves telegraphed(something that almost never applys to olimar).
This is the same way you should approach the match-up with GW, but MK does it better because of his aireals.
This match-up really shows how important stage control can be, and most people don't realize this.
Martselsoep
Smash Cadet
I would say be patient and wait for an opening to attack.
Also a not for when he's in the air:
Use descending Uairs, spam it. He will have litteraly no options except to eat your Uair again and again
Also a not for when he's in the air:
Use descending Uairs, spam it. He will have litteraly no options except to eat your Uair again and again
I am not saying that MK does not have the advantage. we are talking blow for blow. on the stage. Olimar can out DPS mk he does not need to apporach you with him throwing pikmin with good spacing. Purple ones straight murder. Off the stage yea.. Mk can own olimar but this is also considering he does not whistle your attacks and just get back on the stage anyway like he is some type of juggernot.
_Phloat_
Smash Champion
This.
In theory, he should never be able to land on the ground. This may not be possible in practice, but it is a place you can outplay him...
8AngeL8
Smash Lord
^Omg, it's Meta-gay!!
Edit, not Phloat, the guy above.
Edit, not Phloat, the guy above.
Affinity
Smash Hero
lol That's just cruel
Martselsoep
Smash Cadet
what's up with this obsessity of being gaygoing to bed now so I will be replying to your reply, with whatever reply your replying to my reply where I reply your reply replying my reply for tomorrow
8AngeL8
Smash Lord
It's a joke from a topic way back. I try not to use gay as an insult...
Martselsoep
Smash Cadet
I'm not being serious
8AngeL8
Smash Lord
Oh, okay, sorry. It's hard to tell over the internet sometimes.
arch knight
Smash Lord
odd how no one suggests hopping just when oli atempts a grab then dimension hit right behind him its worked for me a few times... just a suggestion
Cape sucks.
Martselsoep
Smash Cadet
olimars grab comes out way faster then cape so when you ntoice the grab (which is hard to see) and you'll be like: DIMENSION CAPE KABLAAM, then you have to much lag to not be grabbed
arch knight
Smash Lord
lol i dont think it does its great recovery and i use it so much. i cant do infinite but ill use it for both attackinga and defensive i dont think the cape sucks at all in my opinion its actually quite useful
arch knight
Smash Lord
well that may be true but dimensioning in the air is actually kinda fast compared to just on ground
No offense, but you must lose a lot of MK dittos.lol i dont think it does its great recovery and i use it so much. i cant do infinite but ill use it for both attackinga and defensive i dont think the cape sucks at all in my opinion its actually quite useful
The general consensus is that cape, jab, and drill rush are his worst moves.
arch knight
Smash Lord
i rarely vs anyone that uses mk and i dont think any of those listed are bad moves at all i dont even use tornado often only to drive them back or for offensive recovery.
drill is by far a very strong and useful move just like cape..
HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR
Try spamming those moves against someone good. You'll get 3 stocked.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=206194&page=2
Read the tier lists in this thread. Almost all of them list Cape and Drill as horrible.
Read the tier lists in this thread. Almost all of them list Cape and Drill as horrible.
Darxmarth23
Smash Champion
For this match up i see how well i can do on land first before switching to air-****.
F-tilt,d-tilt, fsmash; dsmash spam.
and t-nado spam.
then o go for the d-air gimp.
get rid of the veggies and then own.
F-tilt,d-tilt, fsmash; dsmash spam.
and t-nado spam.
then o go for the d-air gimp.
get rid of the veggies and then own.
arch knight
Smash Lord
drill made middle tier and i personally think it doesnt really matter where moves are placed its how you use them not whats better... and some there even said that drill isnt that bad
_Phloat_
Smash Champion
Its for recovery, not for attacks. It is actually quite useful to recover with.
And DC suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks compared to MK's other options.
And DC suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks compared to MK's other options.
Dojo
Smash Champion
I've actually been incorporating Drill Rush more into my gameplay for a little more than just recovery. (Although it is the main reason to use it.) It's actually not a bad move at all.
On topic, Olimar shouldn't be too hard to beat.
Approach with fairs and nairs to keep away pikmen. Approach with dairs as you get close, and anticipate that hyphen smash. Airdodge fastfall through it and shield. Watch his pattern from here. Alot of Oli's try another Usmash and you can punish from here. You should be able to get your grab off first. Landing behind him in the ADFF manner helps out as well. You can ftilt at them or even pivot grab them as most people don't expect it.
Edgeguarding him is overly easy. Just keep him off with fairs and dairs and just keep yourself placed well between the stage and him and there's not much he can do.
I see this as 6-4 in MK's favor. I really don't see how people were claiming this as a counter for a while there.
On topic, Olimar shouldn't be too hard to beat.
Approach with fairs and nairs to keep away pikmen. Approach with dairs as you get close, and anticipate that hyphen smash. Airdodge fastfall through it and shield. Watch his pattern from here. Alot of Oli's try another Usmash and you can punish from here. You should be able to get your grab off first. Landing behind him in the ADFF manner helps out as well. You can ftilt at them or even pivot grab them as most people don't expect it.
Edgeguarding him is overly easy. Just keep him off with fairs and dairs and just keep yourself placed well between the stage and him and there's not much he can do.
I see this as 6-4 in MK's favor. I really don't see how people were claiming this as a counter for a while there.
Maniclysane
Smash Lord
People claimed that because he has a "Perfect camp" which has yet to be explained. Planking is "perfect" camping. Olimar can't plank.I see this as 6-4 in MK's favor. I really don't see how people were claiming this as a counter for a while there.
People were claiming anything as a counter for awhile. Even the Jigglypuff boards thought she countered MK for awhile.
I don't think you understood my post at all. Go read it again and understand I was pointing out how to approach the match-up with MK and that most players fail to realize that they can create options through stage control.
Dojo
Smash Champion
The word "Perfect" isn't relevant and shouldn't even be used for SSB. There is no such thing as a perfect camp. Or a perfect anything for that matter. To do something perfectly is to do it without any flaw throughout the entire process. To do anything "perfectly" is too know EXACTLY what to do in EVERY second of EVERY match.
This game has no perfect level to reach at the competitive. You can only keep improving. Nobody will ever have the perfect timing and spacing all the time. Nobody will ever have the perfect mindgames and know exactly what they're opponent is thinking all the time.
All obstacles can be overcome in this game, even if it's the slightest chance in hell.