Zolga Owns
Smash Lord
Then you duo'd with me and Epic Jungle Eve that doesn't not go revive/smite was epic :D
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Frolossus
Smash Lord
G-reg never plays with me no mo 
Zolga Owns
Smash Lord
The new AP items make Viegar more viable. YES.
and I can see myself using the Hourglass on Morg, Vlad, Akali, and Janna.
and I can see myself using the Hourglass on Morg, Vlad, Akali, and Janna.
john!
Smash Hero
zhonya's nerf is an indirect kennen nerf since kennen relies so heavily on zhonya's
i actually thought the last patch was mostly good...
i actually thought the last patch was mostly good...
Juno McGrath
Smash Hero
YAYYY Garen buff :D
Also the new hat is so ****, 150 ap is going to make Veiger super duper ****.
Also the new hat is so ****, 150 ap is going to make Veiger super duper ****.
Dekar173
Justice Man
Well considering zhonya's was so broken in comparison to all other AP items (it's a staple for ANYONE going AP, and that cuts down diversity in item choice) I can understand the removal/change.
Waste of 20 hours. I hate thebadbaron 23.
@Vex- but 3s is ez!
Waste of 20 hours. I hate thebadbaron 23.
@Vex- but 3s is ez!
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
Not if you don't understand the metagame.
Dekar173
Justice Man
Tanky teams- are just that, tanky. They excel in mid-game (which is basically what most 3s matches end at) and typically consist of heavy amounts of CC.
Example: Sion/Gragas/Rammus
How to beating them?!?!
Bloodrazor + Warmogs
Kiting teams- they will catch you, and they will kill you. They have slows, CCs, fast movement speed, stupid escape moves, and never fight with honor in a good old fashioned one on one duel to the death. They will NEVER let you have lizard control, because to do so means their own death.
Example: Nunu/Annie/Kennen, or MF/Janna/Morgana
How to beating these *******s? Lizard fights, hard CCs, and awareness, as they will gank as often as possible.
Autoattack teams- they will turtle until the end of time if it means they can hit late game, why? Because the instant they DO farm up enough to be considered in the late-point of their builds, they'll carve you or anyone on your team.
Example: Trynd/Shaco/Taric
Gems? typically, these character have great late games, but their late games are countered by their poor early games. Take advantage of this with tanky line-ups, as well as just not allowing them to farm properly. See Trynd running off into the forest? Follow him and smite away his last hit, congrats you got a free buff at a cost to your enemy!
The thing about these different types of teams is that they're all effective, it just really depends on who your teammates can play.
Find a main, learn them like the back of your hand, then work from there, and you should find more success in this game (solo queue does not count, it is a glorified version of russian roulette, with less winners).
Example: Sion/Gragas/Rammus
How to beating them?!?!
Bloodrazor + WarmogsKiting teams- they will catch you, and they will kill you. They have slows, CCs, fast movement speed, stupid escape moves, and never fight with honor in a good old fashioned one on one duel to the death. They will NEVER let you have lizard control, because to do so means their own death.
Example: Nunu/Annie/Kennen, or MF/Janna/Morgana
How to beating these *******s? Lizard fights, hard CCs, and awareness, as they will gank as often as possible.
Autoattack teams- they will turtle until the end of time if it means they can hit late game, why? Because the instant they DO farm up enough to be considered in the late-point of their builds, they'll carve you or anyone on your team.
Example: Trynd/Shaco/Taric
Gems? typically, these character have great late games, but their late games are countered by their poor early games. Take advantage of this with tanky line-ups, as well as just not allowing them to farm properly. See Trynd running off into the forest? Follow him and smite away his last hit, congrats you got a free buff at a cost to your enemy!
The thing about these different types of teams is that they're all effective, it just really depends on who your teammates can play.
Find a main, learn them like the back of your hand, then work from there, and you should find more success in this game (solo queue does not count, it is a glorified version of russian roulette, with less winners).
Dekar173
Justice Man
They're not the top 2 bans or anything and I haven't seen Mundo banned literally forever.
SuperBowser
Smash Lord
Awesome to know I'm now in the top 10% of players. I am now in the 1400s :D I'm not sure how much further I can take teemo.
I've started banning mundo. He makes me angry. He is such a troll tank and somebody always follows him, leading 2 or 3 people into death. In the last 100 elo I've played, there's been very games where mundo wasn't on the winning side.
I've started banning mundo. He makes me angry. He is such a troll tank and somebody always follows him, leading 2 or 3 people into death. In the last 100 elo I've played, there's been very games where mundo wasn't on the winning side.
Leacero
Smash Lord
Is ranked 3s still a 20:00 queue time or does Riot just hate me?
Dekar173
Justice Man
1-2mins during the day, 20 during the night unless if other teams are on that I know, then it's never because everyone dodgessssssssss
StealthyGunnar
Smash Champion
I swear leaving queue after 1 min and rejoining makes u find games faster. i might be delusional tho
Dekar173
Justice Man
Resets your queue 
StealthyGunnar
Smash Champion
sooo that's a yes? lol
john!
Smash Hero
if it goes above the estimated time then i cancel and try again. i've heard that the longer you wait, the higher elo you begin getting matched up against as it tries to find a match for you. c/d?
Frolossus
Smash Lord
i believe it just expands the search both lower and higher
_kSo_
Smash Master
*insert generic rage post*
I'm sure you've heard it all...just the same old same old....sigh....
I'm sure you've heard it all...just the same old same old....sigh....
BunBun
Smash Master
Who wants to teach me how to not suck?
Sorry about that last game Dan. Not much I could do as WW to carry once we got past the early game. Zilean ult'd whoever I ult'd so it didn't matter who we focused, I got killed and they stayed up.
I guess that's what I get for switching off Swain when I'm on a roll.
I guess that's what I get for switching off Swain when I'm on a roll.
BarDulL
Town Vampire
heys gais
aegis>heartstriker = YOU HAVE BEEN SLAIN!
nerf pant please
aegis>heartstriker = YOU HAVE BEEN SLAIN!
nerf pant please
LoL community "wah nerf this buff that wah wah wah"
Smash community "don't get hit"
I love the difference.
It's also cool to know that I'm better than 90% of the players out there. I wonder if those numbers are skewed by smurf accounts though.
Smash community "don't get hit"
I love the difference.
It's also cool to know that I'm better than 90% of the players out there. I wonder if those numbers are skewed by smurf accounts though.
BarDulL
Town Vampire
your assessment of the smash community is amusing since the brawl side has had 3-4 MK ban debates. lol
i guess the core difference between our communities is that LoL is patched on a frequent basis, so it tends to cater more towards the people who *****.
either way
have you seen the damage output on heartstriker? that **** is ********
i love it
i guess the core difference between our communities is that LoL is patched on a frequent basis, so it tends to cater more towards the people who *****.
either way
have you seen the damage output on heartstriker? that **** is ********
i love it
DtJ SmithZzz
Happy Birthday Kjell
Rag you don't wanna post in NCs threads?
ArcNatural
Banned ( ∫x, δx Points)
So I have recently picked this up more seriously and have been playing a lot.
I main Kennen and I think I'm doing all right with him for the most part.
I'm trying to pick up Rammus as my alternate (can tank/jungle) and I have been having issues with just basic concepts and builds with him. I'm only level 11 so I'm only running utility mastery and no runes or anything. I have gotten decent advice from the players I play with but it seems most of the general guides I've been trying to follow with him haven't been with the current metagame.
What I have been trying to do lately is go doran's -> ninja tabi/Merc -> sunfire cape. After that though, I'm really at a loss of what the options are for Rammus depending on a phys damage team or a AP/magic dmg team.
I also have a lot of problems laning with him but I think I just need to practice it. I'm considering just watching some jungling videos and going straight into that once I have practiced it, avoiding the lane issues all together.
Anyone have any opinions to help an inexperience Rammus?
I main Kennen and I think I'm doing all right with him for the most part.
I'm trying to pick up Rammus as my alternate (can tank/jungle) and I have been having issues with just basic concepts and builds with him. I'm only level 11 so I'm only running utility mastery and no runes or anything. I have gotten decent advice from the players I play with but it seems most of the general guides I've been trying to follow with him haven't been with the current metagame.
What I have been trying to do lately is go doran's -> ninja tabi/Merc -> sunfire cape. After that though, I'm really at a loss of what the options are for Rammus depending on a phys damage team or a AP/magic dmg team.
I also have a lot of problems laning with him but I think I just need to practice it. I'm considering just watching some jungling videos and going straight into that once I have practiced it, avoiding the lane issues all together.
Anyone have any opinions to help an inexperience Rammus?
Vyke
Smash Champion
I'm not quite sure what the flavor of the month build for Rammus is, Arc. But what I can tell you is this: Sticking to a set build will get you places, but it won't get you too far. Prepare to be flexible on what you purchase (Which also means learning what all the items do. 
And champions you'll have to tank against!). Sunfire is the go-to tanking item for what stats it gives and an easy-not-having-to-activate passive that provides innate farming for more gold.
It is best for you to just pick and choose what you think would be most effective against certain teams. You usually learn this over the course of ... well ... leveling. I guess. Aegis of The Legion is never bad against mixed teams, and you'll want to try to get it early. Randuin's Omen is an incredible asset against melee heavy teams, and Banshee's Veil is the standard go-to against casters. Once you're able to farm competently or jungle -and- gank well, it isn't unlikely that you'll be able to afford a standard core item with a Banshee's Veil being the second one after it.
League is all about being flexible while also keeping your build optimal.
Sorry if I ramble.
And champions you'll have to tank against!). Sunfire is the go-to tanking item for what stats it gives and an easy-not-having-to-activate passive that provides innate farming for more gold.It is best for you to just pick and choose what you think would be most effective against certain teams. You usually learn this over the course of ... well ... leveling. I guess. Aegis of The Legion is never bad against mixed teams, and you'll want to try to get it early. Randuin's Omen is an incredible asset against melee heavy teams, and Banshee's Veil is the standard go-to against casters. Once you're able to farm competently or jungle -and- gank well, it isn't unlikely that you'll be able to afford a standard core item with a Banshee's Veil being the second one after it.
League is all about being flexible while also keeping your build optimal.
Sorry if I ramble.
cloth + 5 pots
boots 1
1-3 HoGs
Merc Treads
is the standard Rammus opening. From there you build some combination of Randuins, Force of Nature, Banshee's Veil and Sunfire depending on your needs for the game you're in. Jungling as Rammus without at least 11 in defensive sounds awful though, you'd end up chugging potions like crazy because you need to stay high enough health to roll through and gank whenever the opportunity arises. Also, at level 11, you don't have flash yet (right?) and it hurts your gank potential a lot to have ghost instead of flash in that 2nd slot.
boots 1
1-3 HoGs
Merc Treads
is the standard Rammus opening. From there you build some combination of Randuins, Force of Nature, Banshee's Veil and Sunfire depending on your needs for the game you're in. Jungling as Rammus without at least 11 in defensive sounds awful though, you'd end up chugging potions like crazy because you need to stay high enough health to roll through and gank whenever the opportunity arises. Also, at level 11, you don't have flash yet (right?) and it hurts your gank potential a lot to have ghost instead of flash in that 2nd slot.
Vyke
Smash Champion
He'd get it at 12, though, so it's all good. The mastery thing, though... yeah, ouch. Wtb some sort of change for FoN. God that item fluctuates on my "This item sucks" to "This item doesn't suck, but man do I forget about it."
FoN is a hugely underrated item. It's so good when the game degenerates into a poking battle.
BunBun
Smash Master
Don't go ninja tabi on Rammus. Also, don't use any dodge chance. Your defensive curl does damage based on the damage you take, and if you dodge, you're losing that damage =(
I need one of you min-max smarty pants to explain something to me here. Looking at guides, I see most of them that recommend MRes runes suggest the "per level" variety. However, they also all seem to recommend FLAT armor runes, rather than scaling.
So why does this seem optimal? Why not per level armor or flat mres?
So why does this seem optimal? Why not per level armor or flat mres?
john!
Smash Hero
^ i think it depends on the level at which per level becomes more effective than flat.
about rammus: get heart(s) of gold + catalyst, then build it into banshee's veil. rammus has a ridiculous def/mres steroid, so your items should have health. plus, bveil usually lets you get off powerball hit + curl + ult + taunt without being interrupted. a sunfire would work nicely as well, or even *gasp* a warmog's, if appropriate. i rarely use force of nature on rammus, but get it if you're facing a magic heavy team.
about rammus: get heart(s) of gold + catalyst, then build it into banshee's veil. rammus has a ridiculous def/mres steroid, so your items should have health. plus, bveil usually lets you get off powerball hit + curl + ult + taunt without being interrupted. a sunfire would work nicely as well, or even *gasp* a warmog's, if appropriate. i rarely use force of nature on rammus, but get it if you're facing a magic heavy team.
ArcNatural
Banned ( ∫x, δx Points)
Yep on the Flash. I do plan on getting it as soon as I'm 12 though. I'm fine with switching my masteries to defensive if that's better for jungling, since I really only played Kennen up until yesterday I just followed Zoso's advice and did utility for the mana regen stats. If I'm better off putting it in D for jungling or even as a standard for Rammus in general I'm fine with that.
Is your equip standard for jungling Rammus only? Or is that the typical for laning and jungling.
I'd probably like to talk to you sometime today or tomorrow for some advice if your free on aim or LoL sometime. I'm usually in the swf chat.
armor seals and mres glyphs both even out flat vs. /level at level 10 iirc.
Armor Seals are useful for jungling (relevant most at early levels, so flat, duh) and for staying ahead of the opponent's armor penetration in lane (because of ArPen runes being flat [and imba I might add], you need the flats so that you aren't eating true damage at level 1). So flat armors are always preferable.
MRes Glyphs on the other hand are trickier. If you're jungling, the /levels are more attractive because no jungle creeps do magic damage and most of your early PvP interaction is on ganks where it shouldn't be about the opponent having a legit shot to kill you. By the time teamfights start breaking out, you should be in the level 5-10 range, at which point your /levels have almost caught up and then they will start to outperform the flats as the game drags on. However, in lane, flat MRes is better IMO because the whole reason you run them in lane is to mitigate the pre-6 caster harass and the level 6 caster burst.
The short answer though is that at high level play Rammus is strictly a jungler, you will never see him in lane.
Armor Seals are useful for jungling (relevant most at early levels, so flat, duh) and for staying ahead of the opponent's armor penetration in lane (because of ArPen runes being flat [and imba I might add], you need the flats so that you aren't eating true damage at level 1). So flat armors are always preferable.
MRes Glyphs on the other hand are trickier. If you're jungling, the /levels are more attractive because no jungle creeps do magic damage and most of your early PvP interaction is on ganks where it shouldn't be about the opponent having a legit shot to kill you. By the time teamfights start breaking out, you should be in the level 5-10 range, at which point your /levels have almost caught up and then they will start to outperform the flats as the game drags on. However, in lane, flat MRes is better IMO because the whole reason you run them in lane is to mitigate the pre-6 caster harass and the level 6 caster burst.
I have a hard time following LoL chatrooms, just hit me up on AIM whenever I'm on.
The short answer though is that at high level play Rammus is strictly a jungler, you will never see him in lane.
Thanks for the response Mogwai. I thought it might be something along those lines.
oh hey, new thread I posted. I would love to get some smarties posting in it: http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=5112925
It's about Risk vs. Reward and how I feel as though the latest patches have tended the games TOWARDS passive play and not away from it. Your insights would be appreciated.
oh hey, new thread I posted. I would love to get some smarties posting in it: http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=5112925
It's about Risk vs. Reward and how I feel as though the latest patches have tended the games TOWARDS passive play and not away from it. Your insights would be appreciated.
Retracting previous statement.G-reg never plays with me no mo