Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[DMG]

Nope

10nopes

 

[SuperBowser]

ughhhh. why are people so rude.

i like to play teemo and nidalee in ranked matches and some people just won't shut up about it. i made it to the same elo as the rest of the team with my chosen characters so i wish they'd just be quiet.

 

[Pakman]

All those other characters are just jealous that SWF has

 

[Virgilijus]

I'm saving up my IP to buy or maybe even , if they don't nerf him to hell next patch

 

[Mogwai]

ughhhh. why are people so rude.

i like to play teemo and nidalee in ranked matches and some people just won't shut up about it. i made it to the same elo as the rest of the team with my chosen characters so i wish they'd just be quiet.

I was honestly shocked when I told my team I was going teemo last night and they didn't rage at me

 

[EC_Joey]

I'm saving up my IP to buy or maybe even , if they don't nerf him to hell next patch

My guess is... Malphite and Garen?

 

[M3D]

ughhhh. why are people so rude.

i like to play teemo and nidalee in ranked matches and some people just won't shut up about it. i made it to the same elo as the rest of the team with my chosen characters so i wish they'd just be quiet.

To be honest, if I see someone pick Teemo in ranked I say "no please!" in the chat. Just cause you are at someone's same ELO doesn't mean that champ is great choice for that particular match. For that matter, the higher the ELO you get, the less champions like Teemo and Nid are viable. So each time you win a match, those characters become worse and worse for you to select in your next one.

If you are really married to those champs then play them and do the best you can, but if someone suggests that you pick a better champion, don't get too frustrated. Maybe you'll be like SamuraiPanda and go pro with a champ everyone else thinks is garbage tier, but its more likely that you are just making it that much harder to win. I'm not saying you can't play them or even that you shouldn't play them, but you should probably continue to expect people to complain about the choice until you prove that it was a good one. Just the nature of competitive play with mostly-anonymous teammates.

 

[Vyke]

Usually, the higher elo you get the more you can breath a sigh of relief when people pick ridiculous champs. Chances are they can actually play those characters well.

 

[Mogwai]

but they are also punished harder for the inherent flaws of their character at higher level. You also hope they have the decency to ask if anyone else wants a higher pick and to trade. For instance, Bryden7 is on my permanent **** list for banning Evelynn and Ezreal and then insta-locking first pick urgot.

 

[M3D]

For instance, Bryden7 is on my permanent **** list for banning Evelynn and Ezreal and then insta-locking first pick urgot.

This actually made me lol. What a troll move.

 

[Mogwai]

dude's an arrogant prick anyway, but that really pushed me over the edge.

 

[BunBun]

Rofl.

Anyway, I'm new on this.
The Red Witch

And junk. I'm terribad and only level 15, so yeah.

 

[Falcinho]

Any Euros in here?

 

[ruin`]

Only $s in here

 

[SuperBowser]

To be honest, if I see someone pick Teemo in ranked I say "no please!" in the chat. Just cause you are at someone's same ELO doesn't mean that champ is great choice for that particular match. For that matter, the higher the ELO you get, the less champions like Teemo and Nid are viable. So each time you win a match, those characters become worse and worse for you to select in your next one.

If you are really married to those champs then play them and do the best you can, but if someone suggests that you pick a better champion, don't get too frustrated. Maybe you'll be like SamuraiPanda and go pro with a champ everyone else thinks is garbage tier, but its more likely that you are just making it that much harder to win. I'm not saying you can't play them or even that you shouldn't play them, but you should probably continue to expect people to complain about the choice until you prove that it was a good one. Just the nature of competitive play with mostly-anonymous teammates.

[Flaming usually makes me play poorly and that is what I have a problem with. I play for fun and that is somewhat lost when someone decides to deride every decision I make from the char select onwards.]

Don't get me wrong. It's not like I choose nidalee when the whole enemy team is tanky or pick teemo when the rest of my team choices are also "weak" or we need a particular role filled, e.g. tank. I'm fairly sensible. I wouldn't pick them unless I felt they were viable for a match. If people tell me to not choose teemo/nidalee I even abide by their request. In the last 9 games I did use teemo, I've only lost one though. If I ever feel my character choice is the root cause for lost matches, I assure you I will change, but at my current ELO (high 1300s) I don't feel it's a problem.

The higher my elo gets, the easier I find teemo to play. Slowly, but surely, more teammates understand the role I play and use my mushrooms the ways I intend them for.

"oh look. teemo has covered every normal route towards the baron with a minimum of 4 mushrooms en route. let's do it even though the enemy have a ward and will come.''

We got the baron and killed 2 of the stragglers that arrived at the river with half health.

Matchmaking put me in a hilarious game yesterday. Everybody on the map was 1500+ except me (I only found out after). My team didn't bat an eye when I chose teemo, in fact, they seemed kind of happy with it. I used teemo's AoE taunt to pick up mordekaiser's ulti + ignite every single teamfight. I would then pop ghost and run back and forth around the map with the enemy team chasing me and my team chasing them . Despite having a low hp, I refused to leave teamfights and would keep poking enemies to get their attention. My team enjoyed my presence and loved my brush/kiting antics.

 

[Tom]

dude's an arrogant prick anyway, but that really pushed me over the edge.

its rare i see treeeskimo on stream go off on someone for being a **** as hard as he did to bryden

 

[SamuraiPanda]

Hmm I just had a random idea pop in my head that seems pretty fun. What if there were a summoner spell with good range that just did direct damage to a target champion but does it on a delay (kinda like Vlad's ult) and has the effect that if the target doesn't take damage for 3 seconds (or whatever) then it does increased damage? It would punish running from people, would promote less "un-fun" gameplay, and would help characters without CC while not really helping characters with CC.

That just kinda popped in my head as I was thinking of various solutions to fixing the Flash problem other than completely removing the spell altogether. I think a summoner spell like that + removing Flash popping projectiles would balance it out much better, plus it would add more depth to offensive summoner spell choices (which currently include ignite and... ignite). Deciding between that spell and ignite would be a choice of whether you want to counter healing, if you want to use it while hitting them or after hitting them, and would drastically reduce the necessity of running ghost and/or flash on every character.

The more I think about it, the more I think the game could actually benefit greatly from a spell like that as long as the damage balance is done correctly.

 

[Mogwai]

its rare i see treeeskimo on stream go off on someone for being a **** as hard as he did to bryden

TreeEskimo's a good dude, so him going off on someone should tell you something.

 

[M3D]

SuperBowser, if you want to be a specialist then go for it. I'm not judging your skill or utility. I'm just saying you are going to NEED thick skin if you want to keep climbing the ladder with a character that is considered underpowered. If you are playing to "have fun" and want to be left alone about your character choice, then go play Normal matches instead of ranked. But if you can't handle some flaming and you really just want to have fun, then either play with a full team or stick to neutrals, because online competitive gaming is pretty famous for people being jerks behind a cloak of anonymity.

Working my way back up to 6300 IP. I'm thinking I'm going to join Tom in the "Plays Crappy Mage" club and pick up Swain. Fun times.

EDIT @PANDA... That kind of spell would fall under Zileas' "burden of knowledge" restriction and thus is not likely to make it into the game. Not a terrible idea, but probably too inelegant a solution for the Flash issue. I've got ideas, but not enough time to type them all out here. We can chat about it sometime if you want to hit me up on AIM or Skype though.

 

[Mogwai]

swain is awful, just play malz, he's at least semi legit.

 

[SuperBowser]

I suppose I've no choice.

I tried picking up blitzcrank but he received such a terrible reception in the ranked char select screen (surprisingly worse than teemo), I gave up on that idea pretty quick .

 

[Mogwai]

I can't look at blitz the same way after getting trolled game after game after game by ****ing kakasoul (HSGG's smurf...) playing blitz. **** that dude so much.

 

[Juno McGrath]

swain is awful, just play malz, he's at least semi legit.

When i first bought any champ in LOL i purchased malzhar because he looked cool/Badass. I proceeded to play him for about 3 or 4 months solid.

I played him up until the day miss fortune came out I think. and let me tell you, Malzahar is so horrible. He is only awful because eventually you will have a moment of realization where you will say "Everything im doing With malz i could be doing 10 times more effectively with Ryze"

I dunno, might just be me but i think he sucks lol

And i bought swain when he came out, also bad. but definitely worse than malzahar

 

[Mogwai]

what? Malz is way better than Ryze. He has better laning, better range, and a hard disable rather than a ****ty single target root with, once again, no range.

 

[S l o X]

lolryze .

 

[SamuraiPanda]

EDIT @PANDA... That kind of spell would fall under Zileas' "burden of knowledge" restriction and thus is not likely to make it into the game. Not a terrible idea, but probably too inelegant a solution for the Flash issue. I've got ideas, but not enough time to type them all out here. We can chat about it sometime if you want to hit me up on AIM or Skype though.

If I were able to dedicate more time on the issue or if my concern with it were more than just idle thinking between lectures, then I would absolutely love to bounce around ideas with you.

And I had thought about that burden of knowledge problem, but I doubt that would be an issue as it is a summoner spell available to everyone (vs a property of one spell of one of the 60+ champs). Plus, I think the impacts of a spell like that would be far greater than just a solution to the Flash problem, and would fix a multitude of other iffy gameplay mechanics.

I also think that the way Riot is handling the summoner spell system is stupid. There are 4 viable summoner spells (Flash, Ghost, Smite, Ignite) and roughly 3 very niche summoner spells (clairvoyance, teleport, and maaaybe clarity). Thats it. After they had to balance promote, heal, and rally, I think Riot just became afraid of touching summoner spells or adding more into the game.

Instead of spending so much time on remakes and balancing of single champs, they seriously should be balancing and adding items/summoner spells in the game. Adding a new item (or making a garbage one more viable) that has a unique and interesting mechanic adds a new build for 20-30 characters or more.

Honestly, balancing seems easier from the perspective that whatever change you do should ideally end in a net yield of more fun. And in a game like this, "fun" can objectively be measured by "number of viable options". Going by this system, you can still justify nerfing overpowered skills if they reduce the number of viable options your opponents have, but it also promotes focusing balancing efforts that would yield the greatest +options possible, which would be things like new (viable) items, summoner spells, or masteries.


But hey, I'm just a doctor not a game designer, so this is all coming from an outside perspective.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

what? Malz is way better than Ryze. He has better laning, better range, and a hard disable rather than a ****ty single target root with, once again, no range.

Mal > Ryze in solo lane, Ryze > Mal in side lane, most other casters > Ryze/Mal despite their lane.

 

[Mogwai]

They're both AP carries though so they should be solo lane heroes. Bot lane is reserved for tanks/support imo.

 

[DanGR]

SuperBowser, if you're just playing for fun, and that's it, then you shouldn't be doing ranked imo.

 

[Juno McGrath]

Well I agree that Malz is a better mid, maybe even a better laner, but hes not nearly as good in the late game as Ryze.

Then again Im not too good with casters which is why i switched to malphite anyway

Super Edit; like i said i havent played him since MF came out so if he has been buffed (which i think he has) I wouldnt really know how nice it is now.

 

[Mogwai]

SuperBowser, if you're just playing for fun, and that's it, then you shouldn't be doing ranked imo.

I disagree with this. There's nothing wrong with wanting to play Teemo competitively. I mean, for me, I can't really enjoy normal without irl friends, so I need to play ranked, but I also want to play who I wanna play, you know? If we need a ranged carry and that means I play Teemo, sorry bro, but you gotta get over it. I'm not trolling and trying to lose, I'm trying to win, but I am doing so with the character I want to play.

Well I agree that Malz is a better mid, maybe even a better laner, but hes not nearly as good in the late game as Ryze.

Then again Im not too good with casters which is why i switched to malphite anyway

not true again. he has a move that scales with opposing HP and a pretty long range suppression. Ryze gets up in their face and then disables one target from moving or using movement abilities only and usually just gets **** on before he can blow his load. Malz is really underrated IMO, null zone or w/e it's called (the % HP pool) is really really strong.

 

[DanGR]

I disagree with this. There's nothing wrong with wanting to play Teemo competitively. I mean, for me, I can't really enjoy normal without irl friends, so I need to play ranked, but I also want to play who I wanna play, you know? If we need a ranged carry and that means I play Teemo, sorry bro, but you gotta get over it. I'm not trolling and trying to lose, I'm trying to win, but I am doing so with the character I want to play.

In other words, even though you're technically trying to win in a competitive environment, you're still just playing to have fun.

 

[Mogwai]

In other words, even though you're technically trying to win in a competitive environment, you're still just playing to have fun.

I'm not playing JUST to have fun, I'm playing both to win and have fun. Teemo offers different play options than Tristana does. Just because the general consensus is that Trist's options are better than Teemo's doesn't mean that I'm going to do better as Trist than Teemo. What's the problem with me favoring the character that I like and am better with even if they're lower tier or whatever? I mean, you might as well tell all Captain Falcon players to quit Melee.

 

[BunBun]

I mean, you might as well tell all Captain Falcon players to quit Melee.

I do this every time I play one.

 

[Octave]

I do it to Falco players. **** Falco.

 

[DanGR]

I'm not playing JUST to have fun, I'm playing both to win and have fun. Teemo offers different play options than Tristana does. Just because the general consensus is that Trist's options are better than Teemo's doesn't mean that I'm going to do better as Trist than Teemo. What's the problem with me favoring the character that I like and am better with even if they're lower tier or whatever? I mean, you might as well tell all Captain Falcon players to quit Melee.

I really doubt you wouldn't do better with another, better ranged carry overall if you practiced with them.

I don't really know a lot about high level Melee. I'm a Melee newbie. Consider me to know very little about it. D: But at a glance, I think you're right. There's very little reason to play Captain Falcon when Fox, a character with better rewards for having a lot of technical skill, is in the game- that is, if you're playing to win. NOT trying to win. I mean actually playing the game in order to win.

That said, I was under the impression that ranked play was for the sole purpose of pleasing tryhards that want to win- not for people to play bad champs because they're fun and challenging. I guess I was wrong.

 

[M3D]

Captain Falcon players ruined Melee. Instead of accepting that their main just isn't viable, they've forced the stage list to narrow down to almost nothing so they could stay competitive. But that's for another thread I think.

I'm thinking about picking up Swain because literally no one I play with plays him. That's probably because he's terrible, but that doesn't mean I can't have fun playing him. Besides, the way Riot over nerfs and over buffs over and over again, his time in the sun will eventually come. When it does, I'll be able to act all high and mighty and scoff at the newbs that play him because he's FOTM.

 

[SuperBowser]

Mogwai basically took the words out my mouth. I like to think everybody plays a game for fun. Why else would someone play? Note I never specified in my posts how I derive my fun and there is more than one way to have fun. I do not find it fun if I constantly lose matches and believe I am the cause for those losses. If and when that happens I will stop using teemo. Till then, I'm happy the way I play. If my current success continues, I'll soon enter 1400s. Teemo feels viable at this level at least.

To put it another way, I don't see why it should bother you, DanGR. If my playstyle is poor I will sink to the ELO I deserve (and where teemo will be viable and win me 50% of my matches). Then I won't bother you =/ I don't see anything wrong in playing ranked with a 50% win rate.

Like Mogwai, I only subject myself to normal matches with irl friends or to test characters. The prevalence of feeders/leavers is too high to derive any form of "fun" for myself otherwise.

 

[DanGR]

To put it another way, I don't see why it should bother you, DanGR.

Because I thought ranked was for playing to win. Clearly I'm wrong.

 

[Mogwai]

Because I thought ranked was for playing to win. Clearly I'm wrong.

it's still a game and people still play for fun. you might as well chew Panda out for playing ****ing Pirate.

on that note, gonna stream some Teemo games:

http://www.justin.tv/smashgizmo/