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SamuraiPanda

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*sigh*... if these games I've been playing recently aren't exceptions, then there is a high probability that I'll end up quitting the game sometime soon. Its feeling like the metagame is shifting towards the early push/wander metagame again, which is the absolute worst metagame for pirate. Even though my build is making pirate pretty decent fairly early game, it requires me to farm a Locket asap. And as far as I can tell, I need at least 2-3 early kills (not assists) to pull that off as fast as I need to with all this damn wandering and pushing going on. Meaning unless I'm really fed I'm going to be pretty useless since wandering too much RUINS me if I have to do it before locket + zerks (which I've been forced to do a lot as of late).

So one of my mains is constantly banned/first picked while my other main is rapidly approaching the tier everyone thinks he's already in. If this is really the shift of the metagame (i.e. the death of my pirate) then my last resort is to somehow figure out Blitzcrank which I honestly don't have a whole lot of desire to do since it will take a bunch of games just to get a feel of where to start him off from and I barely have the time to play 1-2 games a day.

And if I can't make Blitz work and/or don't enjoy playing him (both are likely scenarios) then thats it for LoL. Honestly, I think Morello is killing the game. I know he's a smart guy, and I actually had really high hopes when he first came around, but the fact of the matter is that my enjoyment of the game has been exponentially declining with every subsequent patch. They focus on the wrong things, they nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf slight buff nerf nerf, they only bother releasing items once every blue moon, and overall the patches are just making things more and more stale.

Plus, they suck at balancing. If/when Flash is removed, now that they've nerfed the MS of every single ranged carry, what do you think will happen to ranged carries in general? Oh, and I love how their answer to the "ranged carry too good" scenario was to nerf every ranged carry. Yeah, they have some work ahead of them.
 
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SamuraiPanda said:
oon, and overall the patches are just making things more and more stale.

If/when Flash is removed
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Wait, whats so wrong with flash?

lol its a summoner spell with like a 170 second cool down.

Yi's teleport goes way farther than flash and most projectiles (Ez ult, ashe ult, mundo cleaver, so many i could list) Go super far compared to it.

Flash does wonders for galieo and ammumu, in team fights (flash>Ult) This also works on several other champs that i havent played so i dont feel comfortable listing them.


But I do agree with almost every other point of your post, As a former pirate main myself, I agree that Riot is doing literally nothing correctly. But yes, hes terrible.

If your fixated on the pirate gimmick, do what I did for awhile and just play Miss Fortune, or wait for pirate number 3. Unless Patches change direction completely for Plank,Hes not going to get any better.
 
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concerning the nerf to every ranged carry, it just made me all the more sad to play ezreal with the lizard nerf
 
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Wait, whats so wrong with flash?

lol its a summoner spell with like a 170 second cool down.

Yi's teleport goes way farther than flash and most projectiles (Ez ult, ashe ult, mundo cleaver, so many i could list) Go super far compared to it.

Flash does wonders for galieo and ammumu, in team fights (flash>Ult) This also works on several other champs that i havent played so i dont feel comfortable listing them.


But I do agree with almost every other point of your post, As a former pirate main myself, I agree that Riot is doing literally nothing correctly. But yes, hes terrible.

If your fixated on the pirate gimmick, do what I did for awhile and just play Miss Fortune, or wait for pirate number 3. Unless Patches change direction completely for Plank,Hes not going to get any better.
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The problem with Flash is that it allows champions to cover a normally abuseable flaw and make it go away.

Take someone like Ashe for example. Ranged carry, nice poking and damage with some CC. Her flaws? Squishy and lacking an escape. Now, normally that would mean you could chase her down, CC her 1-2 times, throw a little focus her way, BAM you got the carry. Now, make it much harder to get to her. Give her a move that "flashes" her to the designated location, that also breaks any projectile thrown at you (which completely negates that CC you were gonna apply, besides something like Exhaust if you got close enough to apply it), that can go over rugged terrain and walls.

Compare that to someone like Udyr. He's not ranged like Ashe, and he can't poke like her, but to make up for that he's naturally beefier and he gets a move (bear form) to help him close the gap.

If there was no Flash present, Ashe vs Udyr would look pretty balanced in a fighting scenario (laning would be a whole nother thing lol). She can poke, he can tank it and press onwards with the bear boost. If he gets in, Ashe is gonna get the business. If he can't, Ashe could Kite or harass him and win. Now, throw in Flash. Ashe sees Udyr get closer, goes to Kite him, he tanks it and keeps getting closer, she's about to get ***** and BAM situation reset fully because of Flash.

Or say you throw a carry against an anti carry like Kass. He gets a silence, a slow, and a built in Flash to **** the standard no escape carry, and even try to keep up with carries that have a built in escape because their moves don't break the silence/slow from his moves (along with the damage). Now slap on Flash, and you avoid not just the incoming Q silence and damage, but you also negate the rest of his combo completely. How is the Anti Carry supposed to even seriously attempt to do their job when at the first sign of trouble, BAM flash problem solved?

This has been made worse with the strong support choices available. Prenerf Morgana/Janna shields on a carry who had Flash? Now even if you DID get past the Flash by burning a spell or two, you now had to get past the ridiculous support shield/s around them while waiting on your CD's to get back up AND while also probably having to get past 1-2 opposing enemies during this whole process.

If you are having to do all of that work to negate the effects of your opponent pressing a single key, something's wrong with that spell frankly.

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and now my bird is probably gonna get hit with a nerf stick because elementz thinks shes the best champion atm :/
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Luckily she is awkward to use, or else she'd be the next "herp derp look at what Riot has done" champs
 
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So, is Stinger a decent item? I've been getting it on Tristana for as long as I can remember. It seems good... attack speed for obvious reasons, and cooldown for Q's 20 sec cd. Plus it's so cheap


but... I have never gotten so much hate and wtf for any other item. I usually just chalk it up to "haters gonna hate", cause it seems to be working, but I would like your guys' expert opinion :) Is there a better item I should be getting for some cheap early/mid-game AS?
 
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Well, for Trist I would get Damage items. You already get free AS, getting a Brutalizer or BF sword will definitely help your damage output more than a Stinger. Then, you have the problem of Stinger not really building into another solid item for her: Stinger is questionable, but Nashor is definitely bad on her.

Go to your Q for AS, and your items for Damage, and it will all work out.
 
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ook said:
So, is Stinger a decent item? I've been getting it on Tristana for as long as I can remember. It seems good... attack speed for obvious reasons, and cooldown for Q's 20 sec cd. Plus it's so cheap


but... I have never gotten so much hate and wtf for any other item. I usually just chalk it up to "haters gonna hate", cause it seems to be working, but I would like your guys' expert opinion :) Is there a better item I should be getting for some cheap early/mid-game AS?
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it's much better to get recurve bow and then build it into last whisper. stinger is dead end for you and the cheap CDR over recurve is not worth being able to turn it into LW.
 
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Makes me want to play Teemo... on my smurf. I don't want to ruin my win streak.
 
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I've actually decided that I will be streaming ranked teemo matches this week. Which should be interesting because I haven't played teemo seriously in 6 months, but I'm ruining the game for myself by tryharding without Pantheon this past week so I think it's time to **** around and experiment with a champion I enjoy. Plus I need to get some more miles on my Badger Skin... so kawaii ^_^v.
 
SamuraiPanda

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Morello said:
Locket is going to be nerfed as heavily as I can. Locket is really deceptive in how much effective health it gives over a fight (and especially if combined with spirit visage).
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LOLOLOLOLOLOL

I seriously think Morello's strategy as he takes over the balance team is to nerf EVERYTHING until he is satisfied enough to start going back and buffing everything again. His ideas to balance the game are simply "Something OP? Nerf it to hell for now, then we'll buff it slowly later". As of yet there hasn't been any of that slow buffing so the game is just basically being hit by a giant tidal wave with the promise they'll rebuild it eventually. Thats pure bull.
 
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locket is imba though... It's pretty stupid how impossible it is to fight vs. someone with locket if you can't chainstun burst them from full health in the mid game.

EDIT: which isn't to say that certain other items don't need a nerfslap (namely IE and LW, stupid as **** that they're optimal on every ranged DPS), but I don't think there's an issue with creeping item power down a little atm.
 
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I just bought panth. trying to decide on a skin but sadly they all blow. hopefully him going on sale is a sign that they're releasing a new one.

btw. that teemo thread was ****ing hilarious!

"Jungle suicide pact allows Teemo to repeatedly walk into ganks in the jungle and die while trying to “Scout Ahead” (he really just likes having adventures, strange lonely isolated deadly adventures) on the plus side it passively and automatically causes him to leave a trail of mushrooms that EVENTUALLY basically makes the jungle largely inaccessible to those same gankers unless they themselves are willing to die horrible and humiliating deaths... Teemo's Jungle Suicide Pact is INCREDIBLY effective against squishy gankers sneaking around thinking they are untouchable somewhere in the jungle full of mushrooms growing in the fertile soil fed with Teemo Corpses thanks to his Teemo Jungle Suicide Pact ultimate passive ability."

LMFAO

:teemo:
 
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If they make an Annie skin with a Panda Tibbers, I might have to pick her up.
 
SamuraiPanda

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Mogwai said:
locket is imba though... It's pretty stupid how impossible it is to fight vs. someone with locket if you can't chainstun burst them from full health in the mid game.

EDIT: which isn't to say that certain other items don't need a nerfslap (namely IE and LW, stupid as **** that they're optimal on every ranged DPS), but I don't think there's an issue with creeping item power down a little atm.
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I never said that Locket wasn't OP as ****. I'm pretty sure I've been pushing that for a while now. Its moreso that Morello seriously just nerfs everything as a knee jerk reaction to it. While it does solve that particular problem at that time, it only makes the game more stale and works only as a bandaid fix. He's treating the symptom instead of the disease.

For example, Locket could get nerfed to hell like he's suggesting... OR they can figure out more viable anti-healing methods that one could use vs Locket. I play Pirate and I **** people who use Locket because of my automatic healing debuff. THATS how you counter Locket. If there were more viable options to counter healing instead of just EC, then you'd be able to fight against it easier and allow them to un-nerf healing so its viable again.
 
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I'm forced to wonder where Riot's monetary priorities lay when I consider the job their balancing team has done thus far. They have to be lacking in manpower compared to the teams of other games, I would think. (i.e. Sakurai's character balancing team for Brawl.)



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Sakurai was a bit different. He was forced to tackle balance attempts for 1v1, free for all, 2v2, items, no items, offline and online. His job is harder than it may seem to us since the entire competitive Smash scene is made of completely arbitrary rules. Although, personally, I think that balance doesn't really matter (outside of chars being too good or too bad) for free for all or items, which is what the majority of people who own Brawl actually play, so I think that Sakurai did a horrendous job at prioritizing rather than balancing in and of itself.

For LoL though, the "promise of things to come" is what keeps most people who are upset at recent patches playing. For example, Morello is saying this next patch has "a ton of things in it", and the potential graphical overhaul + Magma Chamber (neither of which I care about at all) are enough for tons of people to keep their hopes up about.
 
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Seriously consdering making a thread calling Morello out on this. Tbh I like the guy, I just don't like the direction he's taking the game.
 
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There really is no direction for this game IMO. If there were there would be tournaments that matter and Riot would help people coordinate and form teams with people they don't know. The format of the game has potential and could be really good but with two MOBA clones coming out from major companies and I'm kind of just waiting for Riot to become obsolete.


Sakurai isn't the same since he was purposefully trying to destroy the competitive community.
 
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