Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[Juno McGrath]

I think he blows outside of his contaminated zone or whatever.

At least the three ive played.

 

[Leacero]

So chaox (ranked 31 solo queue atm) apparently goes to my school. I was playing some LoL with my friends the other day and he was next door when he heard one of us yell out Mordekaiser. He stopped by to check out what was up and ended up playing some in-house games, lol.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

This is just odd. Since I've started playing locket critplank, I've only lost 2 games (one was a dc though). Gained over 120 ELO with this build. I still think it needs a wee bit of work, but wtflol it almost feels like Pirate is viable.

 

[Vyke]

Don't worry Panda. Something will happen. It's only a matter of time. :<

 

[Juno McGrath]

This is just odd. Since I've started playing locket critplank, I've only lost 2 games (one was a dc though). Gained over 120 ELO with this build. I still think it needs a wee bit of work, but wtflol it almost feels like Pirate is viable.

Youve sparked my interest sir.

 

[StealthyGunnar]

being kinda new to LoL, I was just wondering, what do u guys think of Rammus? My friend swears by him as the best tank, tho he uses Shen a lot. What r ur guys' opinions?

 

[Octave]

Does anybody in this thread use elementz' tier list?

 

[DMG]

being kinda new to LoL, I was just wondering, what do u guys think of Rammus? My friend swears by him as the best tank, tho he uses Shen a lot. What r ur guys' opinions?

Rammus isn't the best tank overall, but he's very solid.

Does anybody in this thread use elementz' tier list?

What do you mean by use? Plenty of people read his list for his opinions, but they don't take it to heart (hopefully)

 

[Octave]

Plenty of people read his list for his opinions, but they don't take it to heart (hopefully)

That's exactly what I meant by use. Is there a general consensus that his list is fairly accurate?

 

[DMG]

That's exactly what I meant by use. Is there a general consensus that his list is fairly accurate?

He's pretty accurate when it comes to assessing the higher tiered characters. Tiers 1-2 on his list, for the most part, is spot on minus minor disagreements on the order within tiers. Past that, probably not as accurate but justifiably so considering how underplayed champs are around that point. Take Gangplank for example: besides Samurai Panda, when's the last time you saw one in a serious ranked game? Champs like that, even if they were previously underrated, will still not see much action compared to the hordes of Gragas/Corki/Sona/MF/etc players.

 

[Mogwai]

it's tended to be pretty good near the top end and fails to capture a lot of nuance on the lower end. you know, standard tier list ****, you always lose interest in writing one after the top 2 tiers.

being kinda new to LoL, I was just wondering, what do u guys think of Rammus? My friend swears by him as the best tank, tho he uses Shen a lot. What r ur guys' opinions?

Rammus has been a pretty consistently great jungle tank. The whole class of "Tank" is actually far too diverse to pick a best though.

 

[Octave]

He's pretty accurate when it comes to assessing the higher tiered characters. Tiers 1-2 on his list, for the most part, is spot on minus minor disagreements on the order within tiers. Past that, probably not as accurate but justifiably so considering how underplayed champs are around that point. Take Gangplank for example: besides Samurai Panda, when's the last time you saw one in a serious ranked game? Champs like that, even if they were previously underrated, will still not see much action compared to the hordes of Gragas/Corki/Sona/MF/etc players.

For the record, I haven't done ranked yet (only hit 20 last night) but I see what you're saying.

Mogwai put it pretty concisely: Standard tier list ****. Good to know I've found a decent list, though.

 

[Bets]

i knew i played with a smasher before
http://www.lolbase.net/matches/view/USr54974120

small world lol

 

[Mogwai]

oh man, that game was so scrubby, lol. I remember it really well though because Rammus carried so ****ing hard, hahaha. I just remember the end game when Rammus was 1v2ing 2 of them at the nexus turrets, . Were you said Rammus?

 

[DanGR]

open cloth armor and 5 pots, put 2 boxes at red and double golems
smite the blue wraith, drop another box at double golems as you fight them
go to lizzard, drop another box kill it
finish wraiths
put 2-3 boxes at blue and kill it with smite
gank or take wolves then gank
try not to B until you can finish wriggles

I usually place 2 boxes at the small golem camp, then 3 at red, smite wraith, and then go do double golems while not placing another box down. Use up a red pot and a half doing the golem that didn't die to the boxes, then do red while placing another box down. Then you get red and you're at about half-3/4's HP if you did it correctly/got lucky with crits.

At that point you've beaten mid to level 3 and you've got enough mana for a decieve, box, and shiv for a gank (with just mana/lvl glyphs) if you think you can get it. Otherwise you can go straight to blue buff after getting red and kill it with a single box+smite+red buff, ignoring the wraith camp along the way, consequently getting to level 4 at about the time mid and top get to level 4, just before bot gets to level 3.

The sad part is that if they count your CS they can pretty accurately guess where you are the entire time, which is what I do against Shaco because I know all the good routes he should be taking and mixing between. :>

If you look at his CS and he gets 1 pretty quickly after the camps spawn, then about 5 seconds later he gets 2 CS, followed by a 3rd CS a couple seconds after that, then he's going to be doing the red route described above. Then once he reaches 4-6 CS you start playing really passively if you're in mid or the other close lane and you won't get ganked early. And that's a good time for a counter-jungler to start heading up to blue; Shaco usually finishes blue with about 1/2 to 1/4 HP, depending.

If it takes a bit longer for him to get that first CS, and then he gets 2 more CS pretty quickly after the first it's very likely he started at blue and will make his way up to red (towards top), but not before getting the wolf camp. Good Shacos will put 1-2 boxes at wolves and then 3-4 at blue buff, so it'll be a really quick 6 CS if he goes that route as opposed to red route.

Not sure why I'm ranting on about this. /rant

edit: in other news, I'm done with finals. YAY!!!

 

[Leacero]

i knew i played with a smasher before
http://www.lolbase.net/matches/view/USr54974120

small world lol

I approve 100% of your avatar.

 

[Mogwai]

I usually place 2 boxes at the small golem camp, then 3 at red, smite wraith, and then go do double golems while not placing another box down. Use up a red pot and a half doing the golem that didn't die to the boxes, then do red while placing another box down. Then you get red and you're at about half-3/4's HP if you did it correctly/got lucky with crits.

At that point you've beaten mid to level 3 and you've got enough mana for a decieve, box, and shiv for a gank (with just mana/lvl glyphs) if you think you can get it. Otherwise you can go straight to blue buff after getting red and kill it with a single box+smite+red buff, ignoring the wraith camp along the way, consequently getting to level 4 at about the time mid and top get to level 4, just before bot gets to level 3.

The sad part is that if they count your CS they can pretty accurately guess where you are the entire time, which is what I do against Shaco because I know all the good routes he should be taking and mixing between. :>

If you look at his CS and he gets 1 pretty quickly after the camps spawn, then about 5 seconds later he gets 2 CS, followed by a 3rd CS a couple seconds after that, then he's going to be doing the red route described above. Then once he reaches 4-6 CS you start playing really passively if you're in mid or the other close lane and you won't get ganked early. And that's a good time for a counter-jungler to start heading up to blue; Shaco usually finishes blue with about 1/2 to 1/4 HP, depending.

If it takes a bit longer for him to get that first CS, and then he gets 2 more CS pretty quickly after the first it's very likely he started at blue and will make his way up to red (towards top), but not before getting the wolf camp. Good Shacos will put 1-2 boxes at wolves and then 3-4 at blue buff, so it'll be a really quick 6 CS if he goes that route as opposed to red route.

Not sure why I'm ranting on about this. /rant

or you can just force a level 1 fight since shaco doesn't have any good skills for level 1 fighting when he's jungling and then you can pop his boxes.

 

[Dekar173]

Counterjungle, the bane of early game Shaco's existence.

Everyone else agree Cho'Gath's base attack speed should be 2.5?

 

[Ignatius]

Nope .

 

[Bets]

oh man, that game was so scrubby, lol. I remember it really well though because Rammus carried so ****ing hard, hahaha. I just remember the end game when Rammus was 1v2ing 2 of them at the nexus turrets, . Were you said Rammus?

nah i was the sona. i was duo qing with the rammus

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mains: there are no characters i can't play well

 

[Wobbles]

Good news; I've added Zilean to my list of non-****ty characters I can play.

Mogwai: I can imagine that you've thought of this, but he's a phenomenal champ to have in a 2v1 denial lane. Just played a game where I went top and 2v1'ed a Sivir with Irelia; she died at level 1 on her tower, died again at level three once my ignite was back up, and really couldn't do anything because I just ran at her and baited shields until she was out of mana. Then double bomb + ignite, plus Irelia's moves, whatever they do >_>

Edit: I still feel like Urgot is WAY more viable than people give him credit for. He'll probably get remade or overbuffed though If I could stream I'd do that and show people what I do with him... maybe then somebody would care -_-

 

[Mogwai]

there are so many good 2v1 champs it's ridiculous. pretty much just any strong laner is a strong 2v1er.

<3 you picking up Zilean though, he's my favorite support since I play Pantheon, WW, Xin, and Udyr

<_<

>_>

Melee DPS + Zil is 100% OP.

In awesome news, my smurf is like halfway through level 28 so I will soon be able to start duo carrying people out of low elo when I'm done on my main each night.

 

[DanGR]

or you can just force a level 1 fight since shaco doesn't have any good skills for level 1 fighting when he's jungling and then you can pop his boxes.

Yeah... doesn't happen every time tho. :o

 

[Turazrok]

I don't feel confident in ranked matches until I can get every champ and runes for each of them >_>

 

[Virgilijus]

Blue Waffle: I hate your name and it should never be brought up in this topic again

 

[Wobbles]

What build would you recommend for him? Right now I've been trying 2-3 Doran's, Locket, boots (sorc or merc) and then whatever. Glacial Shroud might be my favorite item on every champ though lol.

It's been working pretty good but that doesn't mean I'm not just playing against derps.

 

[Leacero]

If I have the solo 2v1 lane, I always open with amplifying tome + pot (I know, weird) and run clarity/clairvoyance. If I feel I'm able to harass well against whatever team comp they have on the lane, then I continue building AP; eventually the double bomb will be too much damage for them to risk coming close and then you have complete control. Play defensively until level 3/5, use clair to check the bushes and have your minion wave hit them, etc. Once team fights begin happening, build whatever support items you feel is necessary (i.e. soul shroud if you feel they're targeting you first, more AP if they have low MR and your bombs are making a big difference, etc.).

In a dual lane, I either open dorans or mana crystal and build into tear then into whatever support item is needed. CDR is especially important on him so that you can endlessly cast your E and R ASAP.

Srsly, tear is love on Zilean.

 

[Juno McGrath]

Mogwai i thought you might find this hilarious.

I just laned with a garagas as malphite and neither one of us died in the laning phase, he died during team fights lol

One of the people we were laning against rage quitted 10 minutes in.

 

[N64]

Panda,

I've been trying out locket GP as well lately, and it's probably my most successful build on him. What order do you usually get stuff / what do you usually build? I'm kinda low elo atm so I'm sure mine is awful. I usually go:

start with: 2 faerie charms, 1 red pot, 2 blue pots
boots
finish locket
avarice blade
finish boots (greaves)
2 cloaks (the 18% crit one)
finish atmas
finish ghostblade

and game's usually over by then, if not i'll make the other cloak into IE. then I don't really know what to get. I run mres so that plus atmas covers my resistances mostly. remove scurvy of course helps with the survivability as well, so I've never really felt the need to build anything more defensive. If it goes into lategame I don't really know what to get. Bloodthirster or starks seems decent to get a little lifesteal, and phantom dancer seems good but that plus green pot put me over 100% crit which seems wasteful. The ms boost is def nice though. I've also thought about getting a Zeal relatively early for the small ms/crt boost and just selling it later when I have enough crit, but I don't know if it's worth it.

Anyways, just curious what you're finding to work best. I know you like wriggles, I'm honestly a bit afraid to try it heh. Do you run that in this build too? Seems overall expensive to get early with locket, as I really feel like i have to focus on crit after locket.

I'm slowly building a crit page (dunno if i'm doing it right, but going crit marks&quints, hp/level seals(prob best seals i have atm for carries), and mres glyphs) and that should put me at 15%ish crit without items, which should help earlyish.

 

[Zolga Owns]

In awesome news, my smurf is like halfway through level 28 so I will soon be able to start duo carrying people out of low elo when I'm done on my main each night.

I need you.<3

 

[M3D]

If anyone is looking for the Mac client, Udyr was forced to temporarily repost it because so many people's games died after this last patch. It's STILL not working on my laptop, so I'm trying to see if I can get it to boot on my older desktop, although I only have 1GB of RAM in this so it might be kinda slow, even at low settings.

Here is the link to download

 

[Wobbles]

So I won't lie, I finally got to complete a DPS Singed build and it was pretty much the funniest thing ever.

Rush RoA, boots, Banshee Veil. Followed by Zerkers, Atma's, Youmuu's and IE, followed by Fort and Agility pots. Stats: 4000 health, 200 armor while ulting, 150 MR, 1.8 AS, 80-ish crit chance, 400 AD while ulting. Oh, and 45 ARPen, which helped a little I guess.

Highlights of the game were: beating Olaf 1v1 just by punching him, taking out a Pantheon under his Nexus Turrets 1v1, and taking a tower while Shen, Olaf, AND the tower were all attacking me simultaneously. Full health to zero (died afterwards though :/)

20-7-15. Very, very, stupid. Fun though.

 

[N64]

wobbles, that sounds atrocious

ly fun. I almost want to do it now lol.

 

[Mogwai]

I've always wanted to stack 3 RoAs (I guess 2 RoAs and a Veil is ok too) with a Manamune and Atma's on singed, but alas, I don't have singed on my smurf.

 

[Juno McGrath]

I love Veil.

Edit; all my post are irrelevant.

 

[Vyke]

So, apparently the new Pantheon is super OP? I'm really not inclined to believe this with all the FOTM floating around. I heard he's getting banned at High ELO now though. Thoughts, Mogwai?

 

[M3D]

HSS does double damage to champions, so the 6% buff is actually a 12% buff to his damage. So I guess that works out to hundreds more damage at level 5 + items. That means he's back to burning down squishies HARD and despite the nerf to spear, as I understand it, his laning phase is still solid. So he can hit 6, leap on squishies and clean up with kills. And since his Spear/HSS are both solid attacks now, he doesn't taper off as much late game.

I dunno about OP though, cause I haven't had a chance to play since the patch. I'm just repeating what I've been following on the forums and whatnot. The problem with the LoL community is how they jump on the "OP bandwagon" as soon as anything disrupts their precious campy-farming meta. They think Trist should be able to sit in top lane and farm for 30 minutes and be completely unkillable unless the enemy team comes en masse to gank them while their summoner spells are on cooldown. Anything that keeps them from being completely safe is considered "OP." I guess we'll see how Riot responds. *shrug*

 

[N64]

From playing a couple games with/against him, he doesn't feel truly OP. As M3D said he's somewhat back to the I splat squishies mode if he gets any sort of farm, but he's not really any more durable and HSS does do decent damage now but not the wtf that it used to. He's kinda scary from 5-11ish, but needs to get those ganks to continue to be a threat. Typical panth stuff. He's a little less pokey and more in your face now, which honestly is how I think it should be.

His damage output seems fine to me for his role, and about on par with most carries (maybe a little higher early and a little lower late, assuming equal feed).

 

[nicaboy]

I been playing this for 3 weeks now. This game is mad fun and me and several other sfl smashers play it alot!

Lol tag- nicaboy
lol main- annie

Trying to get better and stuff.

 

[DanGR]

Panth seems a bit overboard right now- nothing OMFGIHATELIFE worthy. Tbh, I don't feel like he needed any buffs in the first place. He had a nice niche role. :o

Mogwai, I will accept any form of help I can get from yah, whether that's ranked matches or just playing normal games... :<


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Okay, I need some help guys.

I feel like a huge reason I'm winning the matches I win is because I'm taking advantage of my opponents' mistakes. Like I'm not actually doing anything really "good" most of the time, and it's really demoralizing thinking about it. "What did I actually do that game beside gank them when they overextended?" ...

Yeah I can hold a lane, gank an overextended champ, get a kill or two or maybe more in the laning phase with good team coordination early on if I'm calculating the numbers and risk:reward ratios better than my opponent. But it's because my opponent made a poor decision or didn't have enough experience to realize what he should have done to avoid a death. I realized it while he didn't.

And I think it's really hindering my progress in terms of how I view the game at a fundamental level, and consequently also how quickly I'm able to improve. Basically, I've been playing the "make less mistakes" game as opposed to the "do more skillful, intelligent things" game.


And I think I've said this before, but I want to make sure I'm clear. If you guys don't mind, be sure to tell me what I'm doing wrong or not good enough if I don't comment about it myself and come to the right conclusion. (I usually try to think out loud when I screw up or am confused, but you guys don't say anything. "Maybe I should have backed up there because blah blah" *cricket, cricket* D: )

Like not even just that. If I look confused about what I should be doing, or I'm not contributing enough, tell me! I don't know how to improve at this point, and I'll take any advice I can get. Don't be afraid that I'll think your idea might be dumb or that you're bossing me around or w/e. I sincerely don't care about that stuff. I already know you dudes are awesome people. If you say I did something stupid I know it's because you're trying to help out. I just wanna get better. (<- that emoticon doesn't do my attitude justice. Make his eyes red and add some combo video music to it. ;p)