Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[SamuraiPanda]

Panda,

I've been trying out locket GP as well lately, and it's probably my most successful build on him. What order do you usually get stuff / what do you usually build? I'm kinda low elo atm so I'm sure mine is awful. I usually go:

start with: 2 faerie charms, 1 red pot, 2 blue pots
boots
finish locket
avarice blade
finish boots (greaves)
2 cloaks (the 18% crit one)
finish atmas
finish ghostblade

and game's usually over by then, if not i'll make the other cloak into IE. then I don't really know what to get. I run mres so that plus atmas covers my resistances mostly. remove scurvy of course helps with the survivability as well, so I've never really felt the need to build anything more defensive. If it goes into lategame I don't really know what to get. Bloodthirster or starks seems decent to get a little lifesteal, and phantom dancer seems good but that plus green pot put me over 100% crit which seems wasteful. The ms boost is def nice though. I've also thought about getting a Zeal relatively early for the small ms/crt boost and just selling it later when I have enough crit, but I don't know if it's worth it.

Anyways, just curious what you're finding to work best. I know you like wriggles, I'm honestly a bit afraid to try it heh. Do you run that in this build too? Seems overall expensive to get early with locket, as I really feel like i have to focus on crit after locket.

I'm slowly building a crit page (dunno if i'm doing it right, but going crit marks&quints, hp/level seals(prob best seals i have atm for carries), and mres glyphs) and that should put me at 15%ish crit without items, which should help earlyish.

Its decent in some places but needs work in others.

This is what I've been doing as of late:

1/8/21 (point in Exhaust and 3 ponts in Strength of Spirit). Run Exhaust/flash. Crit Chance marks/quints/seals and flat MR glyphs.

Sapphire + 2 red pots (Saph and Strength of Spirit = nearly a Doran's shield of regen at level 1)
First b = Catalyst + boots (or just cata if you cant get both)
Second b = Locket + zerks (prioritize locket here)
From there I usually go: Avarice, Cloak of agiity, finish IE, then I'll decide whether to finish GB or get a visage first (usually end up getting visage).
I haven't figured out the ideal next item after Locket + Zerks + Visage + IE + Ghostblade, but I'm fairly sure attack speed is the best stat at that point.

My skill order is R > Q > W > E. I usually dislike going W before E, but I've made some changes in my playstyle that makes the better heal and lower cooldown on W pretty necessary.

As for Wriggles, I absolutely 100% love it on Pirate, but this (and only this) build doesn't need it because Locket serves a very similar purpose.

 

[StealthyGunnar]

What do u guys think of Ryze, Veigr and Jayle?

Irylia or however u spell her name seems kinda broken... i hate gargas too. meh.

 

[Pakman]

Is Sona still good after the nerf?

 

[Mogwai]

So, apparently the new Pantheon is super OP? I'm really not inclined to believe this with all the FOTM floating around. I heard he's getting banned at High ELO now though. Thoughts, Mogwai?

He's good, but not OP. I don't think he'll stay as a ban for very long, but people right now are freaking out because they forgot how to play vs. HSS's burst. The net changes were only a slight buff tbh with the hit to level 1 Q.

HSS does double damage to champions, so the 6% buff is actually a 12% buff to his damage. So I guess that works out to hundreds more damage at level 5 + items. That means he's back to burning down squishies HARD and despite the nerf to spear, as I understand it, his laning phase is still solid. So he can hit 6, leap on squishies and clean up with kills. And since his Spear/HSS are both solid attacks now, he doesn't taper off as much late game.

I dunno about OP though, cause I haven't had a chance to play since the patch. I'm just repeating what I've been following on the forums and whatnot. The problem with the LoL community is how they jump on the "OP bandwagon" as soon as anything disrupts their precious campy-farming meta. They think Trist should be able to sit in top lane and farm for 30 minutes and be completely unkillable unless the enemy team comes en masse to gank them while their summoner spells are on cooldown. Anything that keeps them from being completely safe is considered "OP." I guess we'll see how Riot responds. *shrug*

Rank 5 of HSS isn't really where you feel the buff, it's rank 1 of HSS. I mean, don't get me wrong, you do feel going from 340% AD to 400% AD at rank 5, but at rank 1 we went from 180% AD to 280%, which is like, a 55% buff to the damage, which is HUGE.

From playing a couple games with/against him, he doesn't feel truly OP. As M3D said he's somewhat back to the I splat squishies mode if he gets any sort of farm, but he's not really any more durable and HSS does do decent damage now but not the wtf that it used to. He's kinda scary from 5-11ish, but needs to get those ganks to continue to be a threat. Typical panth stuff. He's a little less pokey and more in your face now, which honestly is how I think it should be.

His damage output seems fine to me for his role, and about on par with most carries (maybe a little higher early and a little lower late, assuming equal feed).

Rank 1 of HSS his harder than it ever has short of abusive **** like 20 AD Fort Pot + 24 AD Janna Shield with the bug in place. People really underestimate Pantheon's late game, but w/e, with all the misinformation going around about how crazy his early game is, I'll just let them continue to think he sucks late game.

Panth seems a bit overboard right now- nothing OMFGIHATELIFE worthy. Tbh, I don't feel like he needed any buffs in the first place. He had a nice niche role. :o

Mogwai, I will accept any form of help I can get from yah, whether that's ranked matches or just playing normal games... :<


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Okay, I need some help guys.

I feel like a huge reason I'm winning the matches I win is because I'm taking advantage of my opponents' mistakes. Like I'm not actually doing anything really "good" most of the time, and it's really demoralizing thinking about it. "What did I actually do that game beside gank them when they overextended?" ...

Yeah I can hold a lane, gank an overextended champ, get a kill or two or maybe more in the laning phase with good team coordination early on if I'm calculating the numbers and risk:reward ratios better than my opponent. But it's because my opponent made a poor decision or didn't have enough experience to realize what he should have done to avoid a death. I realized it while he didn't.

And I think it's really hindering my progress in terms of how I view the game at a fundamental level, and consequently also how quickly I'm able to improve. Basically, I've been playing the "make less mistakes" game as opposed to the "do more skillful, intelligent things" game.


And I think I've said this before, but I want to make sure I'm clear. If you guys don't mind, be sure to tell me what I'm doing wrong or not good enough if I don't comment about it myself and come to the right conclusion. (I usually try to think out loud when I screw up or am confused, but you guys don't say anything. "Maybe I should have backed up there because blah blah" *cricket, cricket* D: )

Like not even just that. If I look confused about what I should be doing, or I'm not contributing enough, tell me! I don't know how to improve at this point, and I'll take any advice I can get. Don't be afraid that I'll think your idea might be dumb or that you're bossing me around or w/e. I sincerely don't care about that stuff. I already know you dudes are awesome people. If you say I did something stupid I know it's because you're trying to help out. I just wanna get better. (<- that emoticon doesn't do my attitude justice. Make his eyes red and add some combo video music to it. ;p)

Good post and self analysis. Now that people have seen some high level games, a lot of the lower level play has devolved into this make-less-mistakes mindset and players have become more passive in hopes to emulate what they perceive as the high level metagame. You shouldn't feel bad for exploiting your opponent's mistakes, but make sure you're following up properly. Get an easy gank bot that killed 1 and forced a blue pill from the other? Call your mid down and take dragon. Use the extra gold from dragon and the gank to buy extra wards to place at opposing buff camps and make sure your lanes are ready to assist in ganks at those buff camp. There's a lot you can do to be proactive about forcing mistakes, but it doesn't all come naturally. You just gotta keep playing and get yourself to a level where you can't use opposing incompetence as a crutch anymore so that you can figure out what works and what doesn't.

What do u guys think of Ryze, Veigr and Jayle?

Irylia or however u spell her name seems kinda broken... i hate gargas too. meh.

Irelia is pretty mediocre, she's really far from good, let alone broken.

Ryze is a bad caster. He has good damage output, but ****ty range and ****ty utility. He's due for a reworking soon, but atm he's pretty bad.

Veigar is one of the best insta-gibbers in the game. His full combo's damage is absurd and basically no one else other than Poppy has the same SURPRISE BUTSEHKS UR DEAD feeling. I still don't like him because he doesn't have good sustained damage and his utility is entirely based on hitting good Event Horizons, but if you're good with that move and landing his full combo, he's a mid-tier champ (note, just mid-tier, not great. Instagibbing isn't a role you frequently need filled and his laning phase is still garbs).

Kayle is an overshadowed Carry/Support Hybrid. She has a lot going for her but ultimately there are supports out there with better heals and shields than her and there are carries out there with better damage scaling than her. I still think she's pretty good (mid tier or w/e).

Is Sona still good after the nerf?

meh, I don't ban her anymore for whatever that's worth. She got smacked up quite a bit, but is still annoying. I'd say her nerfs were appropriately harsh and she's now mid-tier material.

 

[Octave]

Imo she's still very solid. Definitely got hit hard but she'll still be one of the best support characters in the game.

My friend has been absolutely dominating games as Irelia lately, usually going something along the lines of 12+/3~5. He builds Irelia like this:

[defense masteries] Rush Trinity, then Swiftness boots, then heart/start Infinity edge depending on how your doing, finish IF, finish Randoin's, bloodthirster, banshie's

He goes all the way into the defense tree and then puts (atm, since he's not 30 yet) 3 into Perseverance in the utility tree. He's trying out offense now to see if he likes it better and he's enjoying the extra damage but he misses his survivability.

@KevinM - How do you build your Cho'Gath again? I want to try him this weekend a bit

 

[Mogwai]

perseverance is the worst mastery in the game. Max Defensive is fine, Max Offensive is highly overrated and should only be done on ranged carries who will die to a stiff breeze anyway.

 

[Octave]

perseverance is the worst mastery in the game. Max Defensive is fine, Max Offensive is highly overrated and should only be done on ranged carries who will die to a stiff breeze anyway.

I forgot to mention, he's planning on going 9/21/0 with her once he hits 30. I showed him your exact post and he said he likes the way you think so I think he'll take it to heart

In other news, I saw someone with three stress balls earlier and asked him if he could juggle, but instead it came out "jungle." Is this a bad sign? :L

 

[Scamp]

I'm thinking about running a 1v1 tournament.

Anyone interested?

 

[Mogwai]

I like playing 1v1s sometimes but they're so matchup dependent. w/e, I'd be in I guess.

 

[Pakman]

1v1's aren't really my deal.

 

[Leacero]

1v1. Solo mid. No items. Warwick only.

 

[Pakman]

Final Destination.

 

[Turazrok]

Sona nerfs were overboard.

Guinsoo mentioned taking away Shaco jungle and a little bit of me died.

 

[L__]

I'm interested in the changes

at the same time very scared

 

[Frolossus]

I'm thinking about running a 1v1 tournament.

Anyone interested?

id join depending on when it is

 

[Dekar173]

Depends on the rules but I don't know how smoothly your 1v1 tourney will run ;P

 

[UTDZac]

@KevinM - How do you build your Cho'Gath again? I want to try him this weekend a bit

This.

perseverance is the worst mastery in the game.

Why?

 

[Wobbles]

Let's say your health regen is 10 per 5. 3% increase to health and mana regeneration would make that 10.3/5. Compare that to 6 seconds off your death timer that might mean the difference between losing an inhib or getting to a baron fight in time.

 

[Leacero]

It applies to all incoming healing, not just regen. Just pointing that out, not even sure how good it is myself.

 

[DMG]

^^^ Even on champs with higher/innate regen, it's just a terribly small benefit. If you have 100 mana per 5 (which is quite a lot of mana regen), it's a bonus of 4 mana per 5. That's not a big benefit late game, it's even more insignificant early game. You might get 2-3 more mana or health per minute, if that.

Someone like Gragas could probably find maximum use for the mastery, but even then 10% less time dead can be the complete difference between a won and lost game. Much more so than a tiny bit more regen bonus.

 

[Mogwai]

It applies to all incoming healing, not just regen. Just pointing that out, not even sure how good it is myself.

that was a proposed change than never happened iirc.

 

[StealthyGunnar]

Thanks for replying to all my questions guys! I think i got 1 more for u...

what do u guys think about annie? I tried her out today and really like her. besides her lack of health, which makes sense because she does so much damage, i think she is a really good spellcaster. (but what do i know, im new to the game.)

and, if u had to choose, would u rather use annie or ryze?

 

[Frolossus]

Thanks for replying to all my questions guys! I think i got 1 more for u...

what do u guys think about annie? I tried her out today and really like her. besides her lack of health, which makes sense because she does so much damage, i think she is a really good spellcaster. (but what do i know, im new to the game.)

and, if u had to choose, would u rather use annie or ryze?

personally i would pick annie because tibbers is just amazing

 

[john!]

i keep picking up new chars thinking that i've finally found someone else i'm amazing with lol. i've never really played sona but i just won my first 5 games in a row with her (the last game i went 11/0/21). i mean, this is after the nerfs and she's still really good. i didn't feel like i really accomplished anything special other than running around with my team and pressing qwe at the right times.

annie > ryze by the way, unless maybe you have some crazy cdr ryze build which lets him cast 50 spells a minute, which i should try someday lol.

 

[Cia]

Thanks for replying to all my questions guys! I think i got 1 more for u...

what do u guys think about annie? I tried her out today and really like her. besides her lack of health, which makes sense because she does so much damage, i think she is a really good spellcaster. (but what do i know, im new to the game.)

and, if u had to choose, would u rather use annie or ryze?

I feel like Annie was so good months ago, but Lux, Morgana, Anivia, and Kass are miles ahead of her.

BTW, what does everyone think of lux? I feel like she's ridic. but no one ever talks about her.

 

[Frolossus]

im on like a 7 game lose streak ranked x.x

 

[Leacero]

I just went 25-2 on a Panth/Janna lane.

THE GOOD OL' DAYS.

 

[Mogwai]

Thanks for replying to all my questions guys! I think i got 1 more for u...

what do u guys think about annie? I tried her out today and really like her. besides her lack of health, which makes sense because she does so much damage, i think she is a really good spellcaster. (but what do i know, im new to the game.)

and, if u had to choose, would u rather use annie or ryze?

annie is a top tier caster, ryze is a bottom tier caster. Annie's only real problem is that her damage scales poorly to end game, so you usually become just a stun bot in the end game.

I feel like Annie was so good months ago, but Lux, Morgana, Anivia, and Kass are miles ahead of her.

BTW, what does everyone think of lux? I feel like she's ridic. but no one ever talks about her.

No one is miles ahead of Annie, she's still probably #3 caster after Anivia and Morgana at this point. Lux is really underrated atm though, I agree to that.

 

[StealthyGunnar]

how about jax? my friend who introduced me to the game has this certain build w/ jax. i dont remember what it is but he keeps telling me that "jax is just great", "jax is awesome."

 

[john!]

i keep picking up new chars thinking that i've finally found someone else i'm amazing with lol. i've never really played sona but i just won my first 5 games in a row with her (the last game i went 11/0/21). i mean, this is after the nerfs and she's still really good. i didn't feel like i really accomplished anything special other than running around with my team and pressing qwe at the right times.

annie > ryze by the way, unless maybe you have some crazy cdr ryze build which lets him cast 50 spells a minute, which i should try someday lol.

in case any of you were wondering, this ended up like the other 15 characters i'm decent with, i ***** witht hem in normal and then i tried ranked (where it matters) and get paired with idiots and lose. 6-0 in normal with sona, 0-1 in ranked. story of my ****ing life.

 

[L__]

I looked at the first page and laughed at who I said I originally 'mained'

 

[Mogwai]

how about jax? my friend who introduced me to the game has this certain build w/ jax. i dont remember what it is but he keeps telling me that "jax is just great", "jax is awesome."

jax is severly underwhelming atm. he's playable, but he's just not very good.

 

[Turazrok]

Xin Zhao is a better jax

 

[Juno McGrath]

Xin Zhao is a better anything.

 

[Scamp]

Depends on the rules but I don't know how smoothly your 1v1 tourney will run ;P

I bring all the tourney running skills of a Marcou and add in the commentary of an Adam Sessler.

One reference all of you should get. The other, not so much.



As for Annie and Ryze, one advantage that Ryze has over Annie is that he can jungle. Also he has inconsistently better AOE damage. Also more skins. That's about it.


I think Jax is underrated but not by much. He still has the capacity to wreck an entire team after he's built up a few items, but so many other champs can do that too so he's not standing out in any way. He still gets crapped on by casters even with the new ult.

But basically if you can start off with decent farm (which is actually saying a lot) then you'll be solid throughout the game.

 

[DMG]

He's a better Heimerdinger

and he's not even a caster

Edit: Jax pretty poop without stacks. Exhaust/CC like stuns are TOO good against Jax.

 

[Wobbles]

So yeah, Locket + Visage Gragas is.... silly.

He just takes so long to kill, plus all that inherent CDR means he gets to spam all his abilities relentlessly, never run out of mana, and heal as a result. On top of that, he WILL sit in lane forever eating creep and outleveling you, and he can just walk up, mow through creeps, eat your harass, then heal it back moments later. And doing so restores the mana he used to get the creep.

I tried a game where I started stacking Sunfires after Locket+Visage and their physical DPS could barely dent me before it was healed up, and they were worse off by a couple hundred health. Ridiculous. Never even got to pick up the Thornmail before we ended it.

 

[Juno McGrath]

So yeah, Locket + Visage Gragas is.... silly.

He just takes so long to kill, plus all that inherent CDR means he gets to spam all his abilities relentlessly, never run out of mana, and heal as a result. On top of that, he WILL sit in lane forever eating creep and outleveling you, and he can just walk up, mow through creeps, eat your harass, then heal it back moments later. And doing so restores the mana he used to get the creep.

I tried a game where I started stacking Sunfires after Locket+Visage and their physical DPS could barely dent me before it was healed up, and they were worse off by a couple hundred health. Ridiculous. Never even got to pick up the Thornmail before we ended it.

How many sunfires did you get?


also probally going to try this before i get to bed tonight.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

This is just hilarious. I didn't even notice, but I apparently broke 1700 again (I've only been playing a game or two a day). Next 3 games: leaver. leaver. Then the worst lane partner I've ever had (a SONA no less) that gets me killed over and over again... resulting in me taking abuse from my entire team the whole game.

I just left a game. I've never done that (on purpose) before. Thats how bad it was.


EDIT: That was fun. Just played game right after the one I left. On the opposing team I see one of the main people who was giving me **** that game. He's playing Gragas and ends up laning top vs me.

I ***** him so incredibly hard. Revenge is delicious.

 

[Juno McGrath]

Do you guys think locket is good on malphite?