Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[Jazriel]

Jaz, I get your cynical reaction feels all truthy to you, but I think you are wrong. I've been as high as 1350 in solo queue and I am clawing my way back up there through the muck. Using some of these "unspoken rules" has indeed made my experience better and allowed me to win some games with donkeys in tow that I would have otherwise lost. If I'm first pick, I nab a top cary for someone else and ask them to grab me an appropriate tank or jungler. Then even if they aren't playing great, I can help turn the tide and since they've now got characters that can take advantage of a successful teamfight to push or dragon/baron... I have a better chance of winning.

I'm not trying to argue, just put a little perspective in place:

#1, and this is really #1: Solo Queue is a lottery. Just because you've won some games following some kind of mentality doesn't mean that mentality is good. I've won and lost so many games in DotA/HoN/LoL due to random bull**** it isn't even funny. The only thing I've learned through it all is that you either pick a carry to supplement your team, or you don't pick a support.

I'm a really big support guy, always have been. And it was no end of frustration playing support and still losing. You say you've used these "rules" and it's helped you. Well, I've used my own "rules" and it's helped me. Now what?

I don't care what you think or how you think it, the only thing I hate is sheep-like mentality "HURR DURR HERE'S HOW YOU WIN THE LOTTERY GUIZ, BUY TOP TIER CHARS AT THE EXPENSE OF YOUR TIME AND HOPE YOU GET LUCKY HURR DURR."

Right now I'm really liking Sivir, because I can do it all. I've won many games afkfarming until 35 minutes and 1v5'ing noob teams at this point. I queue dodged with my IRL friend as a joke to stomp noobs, but I see that genuinely good players have decently high ELO so I'm going to get there as well. With Sivir, I don't care what my noob team does or doesn't do, I just take mid, place wards, and afkfarm for 30 minutes and I end up winning hands-down. I've come back from 3v5's, 4v5's, the most random **** ever. I carried an entire team that was on average 1-7.

Random BS like "rules that make it easier to play with scrubs" is a joke. Either play the game properly, or play at your level.

LIKE I ALREADY SAID; if you want to "play the game properly" (to quote myself), if you put some effort in to learn this game you'll get there eventually. If you want to "tryhard" to win Solo Queue, then by all means go ahead and do it. If you want to do random things however, don't expect some magical rules to actually help you. Solo Queue is a lottery.



As for what you said, you said you'll pick a high tier champ to swap for an appropriate tank or jungler. Well, you're already playing properly by the rules of the game. Not some silly little rules someone somewhere on the internet made up. A more synergitstic team comp is more likely to win. Pretty simple.

 

[Karcist]

Tag: Karcist

Mains: Nasus, Kog'Maw

 

[KevinM]

To be honest, not like I'm meatriding but I feel like Jaz makes some of the best posts in this thread regardless of how he chooses to phrase them.

 

[Jazriel]

To be honest, not like I'm meatriding but I feel like Jaz makes some of the best posts in this thread regardless of how he chooses to phrase them.

I phrase myself in the "I don't give a **** about you" way because it underscores the fact that what I say requires intelligence to be understood. It further underscores that fact, because smart people don't listen to the words people use, but rather the message behind them.

Like the idea that Go is simpler than Chess. You would have to be a complete ****** to think that Go is less simple than Chess. Strategic depth comes from the manipulation and effective usage of simple resources. Since this is SWF, I can make the analogy of tech skill vs mindgames. Mindgames are simpler than tech skill. To forward smash I don't need any other buttons other than A + Smash or C-stick. But the correct usage and timing of that fsmash is what makes it complex. However spacing and timing are metalogical concepts, and thus not directly related to the complexity of the initial action.

 

[Tom]

best development in SWF LoL history



hahahaha





: teemo :

 

[Dekar173]

I phrase myself in the "I don't give a **** about you" way because it underscores the fact that what I say requires intelligence to be understood. It further underscores that fact, because smart people don't listen to the words people use, but rather the message behind them.

Like the idea that Go is simpler than Chess. You would have to be a complete ****** to think that Go is less simple than Chess. Strategic depth comes from the manipulation and effective usage of simple resources. Since this is SWF, I can make the analogy of tech skill vs mindgames. Mindgames are simpler than tech skill. To forward smash I don't need any other buttons other than A + Smash or C-stick. But the correct usage and timing of that fsmash is what makes it complex. However spacing and timing are metalogical concepts, and thus not directly related to the complexity of the initial action.

Dude DMG won that argument like 10 pages back.



Jazriel- You play Sivir, in unranked games, against bot-like players, and yet you still don't take this as an indicator of "maybe I don't know everything!"

I'm sorry buddy, but you're a medium sized fish in a small pond. You're nothing special, like players such as HotShotGG or Chauster, and don't actually have an understanding of high level play of this game because you haven't actually participated in it.

tl;dr you are bad, and don't know everything, and hopefully some day will realize this.

 

[DMG]

There are 5 different runes now? O_O DD, illu, haste, invis, oh yeah and regen. Lol, I thought there were only 3 for some reason.


As much as I like refreshing my dota/hon knowledge, this is the LoL thread. I personally think LoL is slightly better than DotA simply because the game is simpler (in a sense that Go is simpler than Chess) and less prone to landslide effects or things with no counter (Doom Shaman has better projectile speed and attack animation, there goes that lane etc etc).

????!???

Chess is simpler than Go. By FAR. Maybe you meant it the other way around?

Go has 1 type of piece and basically 1 rule, place stones on an intersection. Chess has 6 different pieces, all of which have different ways to move and different amounts of each piece.

I think you should check your premises again as what defines a "simple" game.

Go has simpler rules, but is a much more complex game. The amount of positions available to Go is MUCH higher than Chess because of the much larger board and because of the permanence of moves.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_complexity

Like the idea that Go is simpler than Chess. You would have to be a complete ****** to think that Go is less simple than Chess. Strategic depth comes from the manipulation and effective usage of simple resources. Since this is SWF, I can make the analogy of tech skill vs mindgames. Mindgames are simpler than tech skill. To forward smash I don't need any other buttons other than A + Smash or C-stick. But the correct usage and timing of that fsmash is what makes it complex. However spacing and timing are metalogical concepts, and thus not directly related to the complexity of the initial action.

??????

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I'm gonna leave it at that.

Oh there is Dekar. Sup

 

[Tom]

clearly you are all wrong

OK

FIRST PERSON TO WINS ARGUMENT

 

[DanGR]

do i win?

 

[Dekar173]

clearly you are all wrong

OK

FIRST PERSON TO WINS ARGUMENT

This is the internet, when people act like morons, you flame them for it, simple as that.

 

[Virgilijus]

Then I infract everyone for breaking the rules

 

[Dekar173]

It's not breaking the rules if we're explaining to a particular person why they're bad at League of Legends in the League of Legends thread :O

 

[S l o X]

:D

 

[Zolga Owns]

:D
I wish I wasn't bad. MORE GAMES TO LEARN MORE ARE NEEDED

 

[Virgilijus]

...you flame them for it...

It's not breaking the rules

The most educational flaming in the world is still flaming and the rules don't differentiate between the two.

 

[DMG]

CAPTAIN

 

[Dekar173]

Alright well I think I'll take my chances on receiving infractions.

@Jaz- play ranked, get good, learn lots about LoL, profit. Questions marks, also *****.

But seriously, your elitist attitude, as an unranked scrubaddy is uncalled for.

You have knowledge about DotA? Big ****ing deal, I played cal-i, and took third in its last season running DotA. It doesn't take much to get good at these games aside from a bit of time and intelligence, sure, but you don't have to try to discount other's opinions (z0mg Hotshot is bad I'm good he doesn't know that much his tier list is bad!!!) when others are disagreeing with your own. You also don't have to be a **** about it, because it just makes you seem like the worst kind of *******, a dumb one.

I'm done lecturing I'm sure everyone else and their mother has already tried to reason with Jaz and he'll continue to play normal games, stomp nubs, and think he's some sort of moba god or something.



Teemo is a douche.

 

[EC_Joey]

is such a huge douche.

 

[S l o X]

gonna stop playing this for a while.

playing with rl friends is worst than solo qing.

-___________- t-emo

 

[Tom]

Alright well I think I'll take my chances on receiving infractions.

@Jaz- play ranked, get good, learn lots about LoL, profit. Questions marks, also *****.

But seriously, your elitist attitude, as an unranked scrubaddy is uncalled for.

You have knowledge about DotA? Big ****ing deal, I played cal-i, and took third in its last season running DotA. It doesn't take much to get good at these games aside from a bit of time and intelligence, sure, but you don't have to try to discount other's opinions (z0mg Hotshot is bad I'm good he doesn't know that much his tier list is bad!!!) when others are disagreeing with your own. You also don't have to be a **** about it, because it just makes you seem like the worst kind of *******, a dumb one.

I'm done lecturing I'm sure everyone else and their mother has already tried to reason with Jaz and he'll continue to play normal games, stomp nubs, and think he's some sort of moba god or something.



Teemo is a douche.

:D

@slox - lately i lose just about every game i queue with swf friends, rage every game with IRL friends, and make wonderfully great, polite, understanding teammates with random solo queue people.


also, pantheon is SO BRO. SO AWESOME.

 

[Mogwai]

did anyone see me **** Clever Advisor sideways? lol antheon:

D:

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Am I doin it rite?

Smooth Criminal

 

[john!]

edit: lol wtf it put a random space in there

so is poppy viable? i never really tried her before today, because she looks like an ugly *****... but she's actually a lot like tryndamere with the 6 second invulnerability.

 

[Tom]

i missed it gizmo T_T

btw

http://www.leagueoflegendsstreams.com/home/

 

[Jazriel]

Alright well I think I'll take my chances on receiving infractions.

@Jaz- play ranked, get good, learn lots about LoL, profit. Questions marks, also *****.

But seriously, your elitist attitude, as an unranked scrubaddy is uncalled for.

You have knowledge about DotA? Big ****ing deal, I played cal-i, and took third in its last season running DotA. It doesn't take much to get good at these games aside from a bit of time and intelligence, sure, but you don't have to try to discount other's opinions (z0mg Hotshot is bad I'm good he doesn't know that much his tier list is bad!!!) when others are disagreeing with your own. You also don't have to be a **** about it, because it just makes you seem like the worst kind of *******, a dumb one.

I'm done lecturing I'm sure everyone else and their mother has already tried to reason with Jaz and he'll continue to play normal games, stomp nubs, and think he's some sort of moba god or something.



Teemo is a douche.

Man, I'm in a bad mood. I really wish I could meet you in real life, so I could just beat the **** out of you for being such a *******. It's so easy to have no accountability over forums. Lucky you I guess.

You're an idiot. Plain and simple. You don't know me. You don't know what I know. I play unranked? Prove it. Oh wait, you can't. Gee, I can look back 1 page and quote myself saying I'm specifically working on raising my Solo Queue ELO. Get better reading comprehension please.

My elitist attitude? You know who cries "Elitist?" A scrub. That's who. Good job at proving that you are in fact, the scrubbiest of scrubs. I know a lot about this game. I'm also quite good at it. I'm not the best, nor have I ever said I am. However being confident in my knowledge means I can speak knowing that I am right.

You however, have demonstrated that you are unskilled at this game and lacking the finer points of game knowledge. You thought GP with a slightly faster E would be overpowered ffs.



I would really love to see you make a post regarding myself that doesn't include a logical fallacy. However I realize you're simply some idiot on the internet and that hope will be dashed quite easily. I had decided to not even respond to your stupidity but since an Admin is here, I'm hoping that your harassment will be noticed by someone. Why on earth you are a mod is beyond me. Then again, I enjoy being around quality people.






Also, for the Go vs Chess analogy. It's called scope. Go is simpler than Chess. Stop trying to argue something obvious.

 

[Virgilijus]

Guys, knock off the flaming or I'll heavily infract you. No more warnings.

 

[Dekar173]

Man, I'm in a bad mood. I really wish I could meet you in real life, so I could just beat the **** out of you for being such a *******. It's so easy to have no accountability over forums. Lucky you I guess.

If you were good at Smash you could travel for tourneys and meet me some day!

You're an idiot. Plain and simple. You don't know me. You don't know what I know. I play unranked? Prove it. Oh wait, you can't. Gee, I can look back 1 page and quote myself saying I'm specifically working on raising my Solo Queue ELO. Get better reading comprehension please.

It's not difficult to view your profile and see that you're sooooo bad you lost a low level 3v3 ranked match.

My elitist attitude? You know who cries "Elitist?" A scrub. That's who. Good job at proving that you are in fact, the scrubbiest of scrubs. I know a lot about this game. I'm also quite good at it. I'm not the best, nor have I ever said I am. However being confident in my knowledge means I can speak knowing that I am right.

I dunno, your anger with the tier list (despite it being much better than anything you could think of) sort of says otherwise

You however, have demonstrated that you are unskilled at this game and lacking the finer points of game knowledge. You thought GP with a slightly faster E would be overpowered ffs.

I play GP, if his E were even 2 seconds faster, you could start denying 2 fighters every other wave, or 1 fighter 1 siege every third wave. This is significant enough to the point where your opponent would be required to jungle in between waves, due to the abuse of a mechanic that no other character has access to.



I would really love to see you make a post regarding myself that doesn't include a logical fallacy. However I realize you're simply some idiot on the internet and that hope will be dashed quite easily. I had decided to not even respond to your stupidity but since an Admin is here, I'm hoping that your harassment will be noticed by someone. Why on earth you are a mod is beyond me. Then again, I enjoy being around quality people.

I'm a mod because I've contributed to this community, not sure about yourself though, you seem too self-absorbed to contribute to anything that isn't yourself!






Also, for the Go vs Chess analogy. It's called scope. Go is simpler than Chess. Stop trying to argue something obvious.

I heard DMG plays a lot of chess we should get his input on this^

z0mg! You're amazing jaz, really. You are the greatest player in the world, and all others shall bow to you.

 

[gamesuxcard]

i'm guessing by jaz's post he plays ezreal

 

[Jazriel]

Guys, knock off the flaming or I'll heavily infract you. No more warnings.

z0mg! You're amazing jaz, really. You are the greatest player in the world, and all others shall bow to you.

Yawn. You're so easy. Again though, you have nothing but insults and logical fallacies.


Also, I lost a 3v3 ranked game because I have friends and they enjoy doing random ****. Ever seen an Olaf and Kennen camp Dragon spawn and harass/last hit with nothing but skill shots from level 1? It's really funny. Keep trying though. It's good enough that you actually checked my account. You're easier to manipulate than I thought.

 

[Vyke]

I don't think the argument between you two will ever go anywhere positive. Both of you are derailing the thread and leaving a sour taste in everyone else's mouth when they come to read.

I think the reliable suggestion of "Taking it to PMs" would be a good idea.

 

[Dekar173]

But Jaz doesn't look dumb in PMs

Also, I've looked at your match history since before today, I look at all smashers match histories to see who they like playing :O

 

[Leacero]

Creepers be creepin' on profiles.

 

[DMG]

I do it too lol. I like to see how hard Dekar ***** someone in his games lol

 

[Mogwai]

man, this thread sucks, no wonder I just stay on TL all day, lol.

 

[Pakman]

How can you deal with TL? That site needs some serious organizational work.

 

[Mogwai]

...it's been seriously re-organized?

www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=51

they have a whole subforum for LoL now, lol.

 

[Pakman]

I meant the site in general. Finding anything there is fairly difficult.

Do they have Broodwar vs SC2 arguments like they had melee vs brawl.

 

[Mogwai]

of course. I think they've gotten quite good about keeping it on track at this point though. one thing I've noticed is that they're a lot more gung ho about infracting and banning on that site, so that probably has something to do with it.

 

[Dekar173]

Original v Sequel

THE ORIGINAL IS FAR SUPERIOR I LOVED IT SINCE MY PRE-PUBESCENT STAGES.

NO, IDIOT, THE SEQUEL IS BETTER FOR IT HAS ADDED NEW FEATURES THAT MAKE IT FAR LESS OF A HEADACHE.



Both groups are idiots, CS 1.6 is the greatest game ever, and there never was a sequel

 

[Mogwai]

can we just not go there at all plz?

Everyone else ready to be disappointed by Irelia tomorrow?