Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@ #HBC | Red Ryu To be fair, if dre wasn't so frustrating to argue with no one would be mean to him, so he sort of brings it on himself

Also PBE stuff again, Ori now has 38 AD.

eh..even then some of the posts were pushing it imo. I understand how he might have "brought it on himself" but some posts still were a little out there in terms of going too far with the "your wrong" aspect.

As a super mod he's forced to do his dooooooty so he can continue being able to post in the drunk thread, otherwise he loses prolly 90% of the reason for him to post on this site.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

I'd post drunk regardless, here or somewhere else on SWF. <3

 

[Ussi]

Orianna already has the 2nd lowest base attack damage.. that's pretty ridiculous... RIP Last hitting

 

[Z'zgashi]

Last hitting with Ori is easy as **** though.

 

[Dre89]

Glad to know that you think choosing to deal with the former means I don't understand the difference between the former and the latter

Jaswa's point is that all I was trying to do was respond to your claim that Naut can't gank pre6 by demonstrating that he can. That's why we're confused when you keep talking about the new meta and how Lee Sin shuts everyone down, because all I was saying is that Naut can get kills from ganks pre6. How hard he gets shut down is independent of how effective his combo is at securing a kill in a 2v1 situation in a lane.

Also I don't understand how you can say that was he could gank in 2013 but not anymore when he's received nothing but buffs. I don't understand how his combo is less effective in securing kills in 2v1 situations this season than it was last season That's all I was trying to say. I don't understand why you keep interpretting that as me saying that Naut isn't vulnerable to early invasions or that he's better than Lee or something.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Also I don't understand how you can say that was he could gank in 2013 but not anymore when he's received nothing but buffs.

Mobility creep and easier access to vision. Just because a character has only got direct buffs doesnt mean other general changes never effected him.

Also, nobody is saying Naut's ganks are bad, theyre just saying there are more ways to avoid them now.

 

[Dre89]

Mobility creep and easier access to vision. Just because a character has only got direct buffs doesnt mean other general changes never effected him.

Also, nobody is saying Naut's ganks are bad, theyre just saying there are more ways to avoid them now.

Wasn't there more mobility last season with all the assassins? I feel like tthere's less mobility in lanes this season with all the mages like Syndra popping up. I'll amit there are a lot of mobile ADCs but stuff like Jinx and Kogmaw are still popular. Still, if your laners are competent, if the laner has a dash then it should still be a flash at least. When you have your ult it should be a kill everytime.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Random question, can Braum's shield or Yasuo's wall stop a Naut ult? Also, if not, can Braum stand on top of the target of Naut's ult and have his shield take the cc?

 

[TayzerStrike]

Random question, can Braum's shield or Yasuo's wall stop a Naut ult? Also, if not, can Braum stand on top of the target of Naut's ult and have his shield take the cc?

I believe yasuo's windwall and braum's shield can block naut's ult. However CC still applies on braum. Not 100% sure though.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Jaswa's point is that all I was trying to do was respond to your claim that Naut can't gank pre6 by demonstrating that he can. That's why we're confused when you keep talking about the new meta and how Lee Sin shuts everyone down, because all I was saying is that Naut can get kills from ganks pre6. How hard he gets shut down is independent of how effective his combo is a securing a kill in a 2v1 situation in a lane.

As I explained already, that was a rhetorical exaggeration and relative to lee sin, elise, evelyn, etc. I never intended to say that it will never happen he's just weak at it, and I clarified this.

Though as I explained it does matter because junglers who do less damage and are more CC oriented tend to be significantly more vulnerable to counterganks. unless they have a damage amp.

Also I don't understand how you can say that was he could gank in 2013 but not anymore when he's received nothing but buffs. I don't understand how his combo is less effective in securing kills in 2v1 situations this season than it was last season That's all I was trying to say. I don't understand why you keep interpretting that as me saying that Naut isn't vulnerable to early invasions or that he's better than Lee or something.

Dear God dre, are you outright ignoring me whenever I answer this? Trinkets which makes early vison much more accessible which makes junglers who have to approach directly much weaker.

I never suggested that you said he wasn't weak to invades, it's just a point I harp on because it's important.


Like honestly dre, are you not reading what I said at all? I've been extremely clear on both these things/

 

[Sinister Slush]

Which is why Eve is cancer.
The free ward we get she can just pass by while the 100 gold pink we need to ward secretly for either our laner or jungler not see us put down.

But even then it's usually obvious for top/mid lane bushes except maybe your own old banana bush which isn't checked very often only if the eve is invading your blue, but putting the pink that far away makes it to where it possibly won't see her at all going into the bush leading to the mid lane.

 

[Asdioh]

Yeah they desperately need to do something about pink wards. They're so gimpy now.
Or just delete the stealth champions, that works too.

 

[Shaya]

Make it so Eve cannot see pink wards, lel.

 

[Asdioh]

Make pink wards only visible to green wards. Bam.

 

[Sinister Slush]

I honestly do not know the problem with making pink wards like green wards, able to sweep out but make sweepers/oracles 2 seconds longer to compensate the 5 hit point pink.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm fine with how pink wards are right now.

Eve is the main thing that makes it sketch but I think that's an issue of balance with her rather than something being wrong with Pink wards.

 

[teluoborg]

Why not just make Eve detectable by green wards if she gets into "champion detection range" of them ? She would be much easier to balance from this point.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Thus removing the point. Argh, that generally it creates issues for stealth champions was my objection to the vison changes this season but it's the biggest issue by far for eve.

 

[Zano]

can't win either way, sounds like she just needs to go, she can take a few others with her.

 

[ShroudedOne]

Would not mind it if Eve were completely deleted, gotta be honest.

 

[WolfieXVII ❂]

I just started LOL, what champion do you guys think is best suited for long range attacks? Excuse my noobness.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I really like eve though, at least as of the first rework. Her design right now is really all over the place and doesn't make sense. Initially she made clear sense as an AP assassin though was obviously too strong. This whole bruiser thing, really doesn't work with her too well.

I just started LOL, what champion do you guys think is best suited for long range attacks? Excuse my noobness.

That's a broad question, do you prefer sustained kiting or burst? Magical or physical? Long ranged or REALLY long ranged? Better early/mid or escapes?

See there's rarely a simple best, it's all based on stylistic concerns, composition concerns, and what they bring to a team.

I can recommend a few fun champions with high skill caps though based on your preferences.

 

[Player-3]

Rengar is the best long range attacker imo

 

[john!]

i mained eve in s3 and i think it would be fine if they made green wards reveal her in the same range that she would be revealed to a champion. that way she has to guess where they are if her team doesn't know already, but can get around them if she's smart.

then revert some of the nerfs pls

 

[Espy Rose]

Pick Caitlyn if you're going to the bottom lane, and maybe something like Annie for mid.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Gnar on the PBE seems pretty balanced for what he does and is hilarious as a champion.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I love how their reasoning behind nerfing Eve this patch was because she rushes Randuins.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Well..she isn't suppose to be a tank over an assassin.

 

[adumbrodeus]

This is a thing and it's glorious.

 

[BSL]

I just started LOL, what champion do you guys think is best suited for long range attacks? Excuse my noobness.

Before we cover that, can we discuss how you became a ninja AND a pirate? That's not supposed to be allowed.

 

[teluoborg]

So what about Olaf ? I never see him but I stumbled upon his stats and moveset the other day and he still seems strong and I consider buying him. Anyone has any experience with him in the current state of things ?

Also trinity Cho Gath is my new drug.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

People think he isn't viable in competitive right now due to his kits not being on par right now. I think he's fine but I never figured out if Top or Jungle was better, I usually thought Top lane was.

I played him a little bit when his light rework was happening and after for a short while, he needs a few items to get rolling and Ghost > Flash on him.

 

[Z'zgashi]

I feel like Olaf's problems are that his ganks are lackluster/unreliable in comparison to other junglers and he kinda falls off late game. So basically he cant snowball a game early as easily/reliably as other junglers like Lee/Elise/Eve and he doesnt have that exceptional late game that would be needed as a trade off for his lackluster early game. He's not necessarily bad, he's just outshined by all the other pics who do what he does better/plus more.

 

[teluoborg]

Yeah no I wasn't thinking about jungle Olaf, rather top. I already have plenty of junglers with no gap closer.

 

[Dre89]

Olaf was played right at the start of season 4. Don't know he dropped off, his damage is nuts and he's hard to duel in lane because of his steroids. Only weakness is mana I guess.

 

[Ussi]

I think Swain top should become a thing in this meta.

 

[Dre89]

I think Swain top should become a thing in this meta.

What do you mean by 'this' meta? Tops have always been tanky and champions without escapes have always been vulnerable to ganks in top lane. I don't see how the state of his viability could have changed recently.

 

[Ussi]

Maokai has no escapes, Swain can at least W to zone/stop a gank from being successful (at least force a flash to make ganking other lanes harder for the enemy). Swain is a weak laner early with an amazing late game like Maokai and Mundo. This meta is all about the late game.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Yeah no I wasn't thinking about jungle Olaf, rather top. I already have plenty of junglers with no gap closer.

He's too mana dependent for top lane imo.

 

[john!]

8 hours and it's already his most liked video

 

[Z'zgashi]

I dont ever watch the EU LCS cuz I barely have time to even just watch the NA LCS, but Ive just started watching the SHC vs ROC quarter final game, and after watching game 1, how in the hell were SHC the #3 team, they were so bad, I felt like I was watching a Plat solo queue game. Im assuming theyre having a horrible day since I really dont watch EU at all, and I have only watched game 1, but man was I not expecting such horrible play.