Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[Ogopogo]

I played League for the first time the other day. I played Tristana, and ended up carrying my team to victory with 40 kills. I was also the only person on my team to place wards... I guess the skills I got from playing Dota 2 carried over easily.

Game's aight

 

[Dre89]

8 hours and it's already his most liked video

I think Trynd is literally the worst designed champion in the game. He's pretty just all RNG and has stats/mechanics that reward you for being behind.

 

[Player-3]

trynd would be the worst designed champion in the game if his name was akali

 

[Shaya]

Every melee champion is toxic trash. It's never not been this way. They just come in cycles of popularity.

 

[Player-3]

are you telling me that my one and only rengar is toxic trash????

 

[Espy Rose]

B-But my Poppy...

 

[Sinister Slush]

K-Kha'zix?

 

[Sandshadow]

Aatrox isn't too bad when it comes to character design. Although his release was a disaster, but who's wasn't?

 

[Espy Rose]

LeBlanc.

 

[Ussi]

Damn.. My favorite melee champ is Maokai and he is cancer right now.

 

[adumbrodeus]

B-But my Poppy...

Poppy is the worst by far. I think of all the badly designed champs in the game and give thanks that at least they're not poppy.

Cause seriously, invincibility AND immunity to CC against everything that's not your target? And damage amp on your target? Who exactly thought this was a good idea? The only reason why she isn't the most complained about champ in league is because of how terrible her laning phase is due to mana and pushing constraints.

 

[Asdioh]

Aatrox isn't too bad when it comes to character design.

That's odd, I think everything about his design is total garbage. (I mean, namely his passive, but the manaless sustain bs is found here too, plus the on-demand jump, cc, etc)

 

[Espy Rose]

Poppy is the worst by far. I think of all the badly designed champs in the game and give thanks that at least they're not poppy.

Cause seriously, invincibility AND immunity to CC against everything that's not your target? And damage amp on your target? Who exactly thought this was a good idea? The only reason why she isn't the most complained about champ in league is because of how terrible her laning phase is due to mana and pushing constraints.

It was a different game back then. Everyone was stupid.

 

[adumbrodeus]

It was a different game back then. Everyone was stupid.

True, and now only poppy is that stupid.

 

[Espy Rose]

Nasus.

 

[adumbrodeus]

ya, nasus isn't even close to the level of stupidity poppy is.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Maokai .

 

[Sandshadow]

That's odd, I think everything about his design is total garbage. (I mean, namely his passive, but the manaless sustain bs is found here too, plus the on-demand jump, cc, etc)

A simple Ignite seems to fix the aatrox problem in teamfights. In laning phase i find bursty top laners much more effective. His heal is cut in half if he is above 50% health so as long as he is at 50% health, just all in him.

I just like his design cuz there is a lot of smart counterplay built into him, unlike tryndamere where no strategy works because he can just ult like an asshole.

Edit: Damn just realized what you said about his passive LOL. I don't know how to help you there. As an aatrox main, its just a giant screw you to my enemy.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Maokai .

Moaki is extremely stupid but he's not "i ult you and you just die" stupid like poppy is. There is just no counterplay to that champ.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Oh we're talking about melee champs that can kill people fast?
Zed.

 

[Espy Rose]

Talon.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Cause you know, both those champs are immune to exhaust or any other form of counterplay from your team and can totally just 1v5 jump in, eliminate you or at the very least totally zone you out of a fight with your entire team being able to do nothing but watch.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Lee Sin

 

[Sandshadow]

so how exactly am i supposed to counter maokai

 

[Asdioh]

Oh we're talking about melee champs that can kill people fast?
Zed.

Is actually pretty well designed though. His mobility can be annoying, but it's far more annoying (from his perspective) to have an enemy buy zhonyas or QSS. Or be a tank.

 

[Espy Rose]

Why, as Zed, would you ever go in on a tank?

Adum confirmed for getting dumpstered by a Poppy.

 

[Ussi]

so how exactly am i supposed to counter maokai

Survive till his mana runs out

oh he finished RoA? Pray he dives in without his team or his team dives without him.

I'd say siege comps but Maokai's engage is unavoidable. So lots of early ganks top and hop to snowball top laner enough that maokai stays shut down all game.

 

[Asdioh]

Why, as Zed, would you ever go in on a tank?

You wouldn't, I'm just saying it would suck if their adc had QSS and the apc had zhonyas, and all that was left were tanks, that would suck. (I don't own or care much about zed so idk)

 

[Espy Rose]

If such a thought enters your mind, then you shouldn't be playing assassins to begin with.

 

[Shaya]

This one time I was in a game with a Poppy top against Singed. The Singed went like 0/5 due to ganks.

Poppy did **** all at 40 minutes in comparison to this Singed.
But yes, every melee is cancer.

 

[Z'zgashi]

So what youre saying is you once played with a bad Poppy. Dont see how that has anything to do with what anyone is saying.

 

[Shaya]

Oh no. Anecdotal evidence backfired.
I would say, over all of my years I've seen Poppy be utterly useless late game just as much, if not significantly more than I've seen her go godmode.

She has no objective taking strength, she just has a single ******** steroid. Her play pattern for getting in on important targets is also so lacklustre beyond excessive commitment, her existence has never posed a major threat to me playing other late game characters, even for the likes of Kog'Maw.

 

[Espy Rose]

Everything Shaya said. You go big or you go home as Poppy.
If Poppy ****s all over your team in a fight or a scrap, then your team is doing it wrong.

 

[adumbrodeus]

well ya, the reason everyone doesn't complain about her stupid 0 counterplay ult that allows you to essentially delete one squishy of your choice is that she sucks at laning and has pretty much 0 teamfight presence until she hits a specific item threshhold reletive to the enemy team. Even in low leveled play she rarely if ever reaches this point because of this.

My point isn't that she's amazing, she actually sucks. It's that her design is the worst possible champ design



A champ can be well designed and weak or strong depending on the numbers. A champ can similarly be terribly designed and either weak or strong (even if that terrible design is based on having 0 counterplay) if they're bad in other aspects.

 

[Shaya]

She can delete crappy ranged carries or low range crappy mages for free, but doing so requires a build that is utterly useless for anything but just popping one target and is close to useless for her early/mid game as it's a horrendous build path that doesn't help her overcome her shortfalls. That AP build still requires her to flash to achieve anything.

ADish/tanky just makes her a second rate Singed or significantly less useful Warwick. All that would necessitate from her being better would be people picking the characters who negate her existence (and there are many).

 

[adumbrodeus]

Any bruiser at about item parity that gets like 5 seconds unmolested on a squishy is generally ending them, that's why old olaf was so powerful when he had enough base damage to do this and still build full tank.The damage wouldn't kill him before he could end his target so they died.

Poppy gets 8 seconds of not being molested, also has a targeted dash (which has a CD of her ult duration with no cdr at max level), she also has a 5 second 25% MS buff for MORE sticking power.

Ability to kill squishies if they don't get peeled off isn't a poppy specific thing, though her base damages and scalings with TF are sorta nasty and she has really strong sticking power, any bruiser that's not peeled off a squishy should be able to do this. Poppy's advantage is that she gets to laugh off peeling.

 

[Shaya]

What Poppy's ult doesn't do:
Doesn't suddenly make her able to have multiple dashes, doesn't suddenly make her cc any more reliable, doesn't stop any character from using their abilities / stopping others from helping Poppy's target. Poppy doesn't have an uncanny/overwhelming ability to force a 1v1 or lock someone down (ahem Zed, Vi, etc) she just requires the respect and smart planning for disengage and not having your most important characters getting wall stunned. Characters like Janna were annoying enough for Poppy; now we have Lulu, Thresh and Braum doing it better and being played in every game, and tons of middles that aren't phased by her, along with many tops and jungles who out do her in the areas you bring up as her "advantage" simply by being able to force and handle many more scenarios.

Emphasis on force/handle more scenarios. If she somehow could push lanes (lol tiamat) or actually was a solid sustained damage dealer she'd not be bad. Actually, the recent re-nerfing of Banshee's Veil is probably the biggest buff she's gotten in a while.

 

[Espy Rose]

You forgot to mention that Rito intentionally nerfed her tackle, which is what screwed over so many champs in the past when she'd all in. Seriously, the fact that they deliberately made it buggier pisses me off.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Man like
Man.

Diamond 3 mang.

 

[Espy Rose]

Those Ori ults were pretty next level.