Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

akali would be a lot better if she didn''t have so many bad match-ups.

Also the fact lulu is a common mid pick now is really really really bad for her. Lulu has to be one of Akali's worst match-ups, literally has everything to counter Akali.

 

[john!]

akali is broken for the simple reason that she's the only champion in the game that you cannot disengage from. if she wants to fight to the death then you cannot stop her unless you kill her.

also how the **** are you people doing so well with heimer? you must be getting good lane matchups because i keep laning again ahri and nidalee and other **** who can just kill my turrets like they're nothing

i've basically said "**** it" and started playing him like shaya plays vladimir.

 

[Shaya]

akali is broken for the simple reason that she's the only champion in the game that you cannot disengage from. if she wants to fight to the death then you cannot stop her unless you kill her.

also how the **** are you people doing so well with heimer? you must be getting good lane matchups because i keep laning again ahri and nidalee and other **** who can just kill my turrets like they're nothing

i've basically said "**** it" and started playing him like shaya plays vladimir.

Just out attrition. Place turrets in positions that can hit creeps and that you can attempt to punish their positions for dealing with turrets. Nidalee is herpaderpa, but I'd say you could out push her with turrets behind minions and then keep her up at tower and yolo it. Ahri wouldn't necessarily want to Q your turrets if it wasn't hitting multiple other enemies/minions, so again I think there's some side positioning you can abuse and try to E her in the different angles she'll attempt to hit the maximum amount of creeps, but I'd say she's an assassin caster primed to eat heimers for breakfast tbh, although super turrets can do amazing things.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Heimer is dumb even when he goes into bad match ups, I played a game as Heimer where I went mid against a Nunu who took smite, dat smite+consume lol. He also had a jungle Yi who camped sooooo haaaaard that it felt like a 1v2, and I never got a single gank from my jungler either. Still came out of lane 2/0 cuz Heimer is ****ing ********. Sure I was getting pushed to my turret because of the constant Yi harass, my turrets always being taken down instantly, the insane sustain from Nunu made me do almost no damage, and the harass from Ice Balls were starting to build up, but I basically just turtled it and the second he made just one small mistake, I capitalized for the kill. Then got another kill on Yi by baiting him to q me, throwing down both my turrets while he was alpha striking, then grenading him as he appeared into ult > w > ignite. The burst is real.

 

[Asdioh]

I laned against a Heimer last night as Malz and it seemed pretty easy. I still don't fully understand how Heimerdinger works though. The only time I died in lane was when I went for the kill with my jungler, and all of a sudden Heimer ulted and I straight up died after I killed him. Do they generally use their ult on the Turret thingy? I don't think I've ever seen the Grenade ult.

Also this talk of Akali... I've been meaning to practice her. Are you sure she poops on most top laners, because I don't really see how she can beat most of the tanks top, or some of the ranged crap. She'll be at a super disadvantage before level 6.

I need to practice top, I dunno how to do it outside of garbage normal games, or going top in ranked and getting rekt if my opponent happens to main top at a Plat or higher level.
Shyvana vs Renekton for example, it's supposed to be a bad matchup for Shyvana and I can see why. I don't own Renekton but I understand he can trade pretty equally, and then heal up better than Shyv thanks to his Q heal. I've been able to beat some Renektons in the matchup so I was feeling pretty good about it, but there's a clear difference between good ones and bad ones and I just don't have the experience yet.

 

[Z'zgashi]

I laned against a Heimer last night as Malz and it seemed pretty easy. I still don't fully understand how Heimerdinger works though. The only time I died in lane was when I went for the kill with my jungler, and all of a sudden Heimer ulted and I straight up died after I killed him. Do they generally use their ult on the Turret thingy? I don't think I've ever seen the Grenade ult.

Generally, Turret ult is for when you get jumped on or need to control space/zone people off carries/etc, Rocket ult is single target nuke/assassinate, and Grenade ult is for initiate/chase/cc follow up in cc comps with like Ori ult and stuff. Generally Heimer ends up using Q/W (Turret and Rockets) because people go ham for Heimer and he needs to R > Q > Zhonyas or something, or he has the nuke potential on someone. Genades are more for team combos and stuff.

 

[Zano]

I have a pc again, neat

 

[Dre89]

I don't understand how you fight Heimer if you're melee, or how you gank him if you're a melee jungler. I don't know to deal with the DPS of three turrets if I dive him. I guess you're just not supposed to dive him in his turrets and just auto-lose the lane.

But yeah, Heimer was always a really strong laner, he just didn't scale well. Now he scales well and has lower mana costs.

 

[Sinister Slush]

If you're a melee mid against him you very likely are able to all in him at levels 3-6 and eventually win lane.
yasuo Zed Riven Gragas Kassadin Akali Fizz etc.

Tbh, while it's weird to say. I honestly think ranged have a problem with him most of the time. Not counting Ahri or Leblanc. But then again most of the melees I listed are assassins and burst him down before they take too much damage from turret ult, while if it was a mid like swain or morgana they'd very likely lose even at 6 for obvious reasons.

 

[Player-3]

you just run heimer down until hes forced to ulti turret then back out immediately then all in him again before it comes back up

i.e with zed once yo have the damage wait till he uses rockets or something on creeps and w in on him, if he ult turrets just walk away

 

[Shaya]

I laned against a Heimer last night as Malz and it seemed pretty easy.

Malzahar has been a hard counter to heimerdinger since his release.

Akali's sustain from Q and it's proc is pretty impressive (and the amount of damage that does is really daunting), and unless you have reliable means of out trading her, you're going to lose the attrition and get zoned if you're melee. If you can't hard cc akali AND you're melee you're going to lose.

Aatrox, Mundo pre-6 gets zoned and won't get to 6 first; Jax loses harder pre-6 and has no counterplay to Akali's kit while she has for his (stealth), Nasus... Akali is literally his worst top lane match up in the game bar none, Olaf is the rulebreaker, he out trades with true damage, has comparable sustain and dat axe, renekton can win, Riven gets ****ed now with the shield duration nerf, Shyvana gets uber ****ed, Trundle gets pretty ****ed, Tryndamere has to win at level 2 or get to level 6 first or he loses the rest of the game and gets severely out traded.

Akali will try to win the lane at level 1. And she will. She zones out SO MANY CHAMPIONS AT LEVEL ONE. (Like pantheon is the only notable character I can think of with a better level 1) Her laning phase dynamic is just toxic as ****. If she gets to six first you've lost the game and will get dived and die. She's going to be able to force her will on you and only gets stronger in trades by the level and gets too much by the item.

 

[Niko45]

Been having a ton of success playing Diana mid this patch. Almost Diamond!

@ Asdioh the thing about renekton top lane is that virtually nothing (definitely nothing melee) can fight him at level 1. So he stands on top of creeps and zones instantly before anything has happened. He can then push you in and dive you with level advantage or with jungle help and he basically breaks top lane cause nothing melee can lane against him if he is played properly. He just chokes out your ability to get gold and xp from level 1.

 

[Asdioh]

I'm testing Akali top in good ol' teambuilder now

lee sin every game

****ing Teemo

 

[Sinister Slush]

For some reason when characters fall out of the fotm phase cause of buffs/nerfs then two or three patches later, I feel like they tend to secretly do well still. Talking about Diana orianna etc. while Vlad I think I do fine top most of the time.

I need to hit diamond already instead of sitting comfortably in plat 2 with high enough mmr to get 27+ points lol.

 

[Niko45]

Yea, Diana was already totally fine before this patch tbh.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Oh now I remember my problem.
Playing League solo is absolutely boring now, not even worth fwotd sometimes. Somebody duo ranked with me, forgot I only kept myself from decaying cause I duo queue not caring if I won or lost.

 

[Dre89]

I don't understand why people don't build Ren like a carry and make him scale well into late game. Stuff like Ruined King and Cleaver. His ult would make him such a good duelist.

To clarify, I consider a carry build 3+ damage items, where at least one or two of them have attack speed. 2 or less damage items is just a bruiser build for me. I could see Renek building 3 damage items, 2 with attack speed, like Ruined King and TF or PD (TF seems like a waste of stats with mans and AP but the passive still good) and maybe a cleaver.

 

[john!]

playing heimer top is the greatest thing ever

run to the bush, put in 3 turrets, wait for enemy top to come, acquire first blood

 

[Asdioh]

but you can only have 1 turret at rank 1. Malzahar is my favorite champion

 

[Sunnysunny]

I really hope Malz doesn't become popular.

People really sleep on that guy, and I rather it stay that way. Ha!
I'd have to say my favorite character to play is still either Warwick or twisted fate. Destiny gets around so many irritating run away champs like Teemo and Singed. So satisfying.

 

[Shaya]

http://www.lolskill.net/top?filterChampion=90&filterRealm=

Rated fifth =)

 

[Z'zgashi]

but you can only have 1 turret at rank 1. Malzahar is my favorite champion

No you can have 3 out, you can only have 1 kit at a time.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I don't want Malzahar to become popular I never can beat him unless I am Karma, shielding minions lel.

 

[Niko45]

People need to man up and start spamming Malz jungle.

 

[Dre89]

They probably don't because of how easy he would be to counterjungle, and how dependent is on blue. Kind of like why junglers like Amumu aren't really that popular in top level play at the moment. I think it could work, just stating why I think it's not done that often.

 

[Ussi]

I spam Malz jungle. Malz farms fast enough to avoid being counter jungled.

He isn't blue dependant either, i've done red starts (i get 1-2 mana pots)

Properly voidling tanking means you don't need a lot of Hp pots. You really just need them for the first two buffs then you should have cdr to cycle voidlings easy along with spirit stone,

 

[Z'zgashi]

Jungle Twitch is best jungle.

 

[Dre89]

I spam Malz jungle. Malz farms fast enough to avoid being counter jungled.

He isn't blue dependant either, i've done red starts (i get 1-2 mana pots)

Properly voidling tanking means you don't need a lot of Hp pots. You really just need them for the first two buffs then you should have cdr to cycle voidlings easy along with spirit stone,

Honestly I think people exaggerate how important blue is for mana intensive junglers. I always start red if I'm blue side even if I'm someone like Amumu.

I think almost anything can work in LoL if you practice it enough. To me, the difference between conventional picks and unusual picks is that you can play conventional picks with less practice if you pick them as a counterpick. Whereas uncommon picks like Malz jungle are things you should only do if you main the champion.

 

[Ussi]

I practice all my uncommon picks in the roles i play often (supports/junglers)

Most of the time though in ranked the right situation to use said uncommon pick doesn't arise or better picks there for me (aka Vi)

 

[Sinister Slush]

Gambit fan or not, lemme be the first to say EU and OGN is literally rigged. >NA scene and maybe lpl is the only thing imma watch nowz.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Mystery gift OP

Spoiler

The luck is real.

 

[Shaya]

I don't believe that luck.

I also wonder how hard i was getting baited to talk about jungle malzahar by Niko45

 

[Niko45]

Mystery gift always bones me if I do a trade with a friend I get like xena warrior sivir and I'm giving away dark candy fiddlesticks and crap like that.

Also Gambit 4 life stingers and manamunes for days it's impossible not to be a Gambit fan.

And I was baiting really hard honestly cause I want to try Malz jungle but I want tips before I go in cold in a ranked game (I do that, don't gaf). 4 junglers are banned every game and Xin gets boring so how bad could it be honestly?

 

[Z'zgashi]

Im not a Gambit fan.

 

[Life]

So someone more familiar with Malz can correct me, as I just took a glance at his spell list.

It looks to me like you're supposed to start Q, spam it in fountain a couple of times to prep a voidling, then have the voidling help you take/tank your buffs. Presumably you'd get E next, use it on the small wraiths to clear them and restore mana. Then do your other buff I guess?

Gankwise, if you can Q them from the bush, do so, otherwise proc red on them first so it's harder to dodge. I imagine you'd want to farm to 6 if you can though. Dat ult.

Get Spectral Wraith, then standard AP items. (I know AD Malzahar is a thing, but I wouldn't try that until you've got a hang of the voidlings.)

Consider early CDR so you get more voidlings and more free kills by ganking with ult.

...

How'm I doing Shaya/other Malz players here?

 

[Shaya]

Your intent when ganking is to deal significant tower damage over getting kills. As the former is easy in 2v1 or 2v2 situations, while the latter is quite god damn hard.

I'm a stickler for mana, even with the advent of mana giving jungle items. I'd usually go machette into spirit stone or hold machette and straight into catalyst.

But yeah, jungle malzahar as anything remotely "viable" is walking into a lane, completely zoning someone out with your laner, and then freely taking their turret because you're malzahar with blue buff and voidlings. Any and all of Malzahar's problems in the jungle come before he hits level 3, it's pretty breezy from that point.

 

[Asdioh]

That's how you would do it, if you wanted to burden your team with Malzahar jungle. The only way he'd be a good jungle pick is if you planned on forcing enemies out of lanes and then pushing down towers, otherwise his ganks are garbage pre-6 and then only good when his ult's up.

Promos have been killing me lately. I keep going 1-2 and getting ragers (maybe becauase the weekend's starting?)
Legitimately had people telling me "It's not season 2 anymore why pick Malzahar mid?" after I warned them that Pantheon was level 6 and they kept dying to ganks because they kept extending.
Oh, and I got raged at for building RoA, thanks Shaya
And THEN I reported the scumbag duo queue that raged at me (for them dying repeatedly in lane, mind you), and I waited a few minutes, and then queued up again. Got the same duo queue that I just reported on my team. How is that allowed to happen? Especially in promos?? ._.

 

[Dre89]

Just lost a ranked game that we were clearly winning because I got DC'd due to server issues. It's happening to a lot of Oce players at the moment. What annoys me isn't that they're having issues, it's that I still lost LP and won't get it refunded because Riot isn't fair like that. Such a stupid system lol.

 

[Gbay99]

https://twitter.com/EdwardCarryLoL/status/449687434448891904

 

[Z'zgashi]

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