Niko45
Smash Master
I figure I would just power farm the jungle as malz, not very gank heavy, maybe hit mid whenever ult is up but other than that....yea.
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john!
Smash Hero
lol sweet i finally unlocked garen
Lol
By the way, I was wondering just in general whether you think early game champs like lane-bullies, or late-game hyper carries are better for carrying soloQ. Obviously it differs from champ to champ, but personally I've found most success with hypercarries that push turrets quickly. I have negative KDs with the two hypercarries I played but positive WL because I've had the safety net of late-game scaling and being able to splitpush and take objectives quickly.
I feel that with early game champs, you're on a timer to win the game, and it can be hard to win the game in that time if your other lanes are losing.
I basically shut up most people when I say, "and you're more the expert on my character how ?" or just... carry. And I've heard literally the same lines "lol this isn't season 2", "oh you shouldn't pick malz because they have Y", yada yada yada. What I can't stand is people going troll picks because of that character choice, and obviously I've powered through most of those occasions but its still quite daunting to deal with (I'm kinda over having Fiora top picked what seems like every time I've gone malz recentlyLegitimately had people telling me "It's not season 2 anymore why pick Malzahar mid?" after I warned them that Pantheon was level 6 and they kept dying to ganks because they kept extending.
Oh, and I got raged at for building RoA, thanks Shaya
). It's the curse of playing off-meta/non-fotm ****. If your will isn't strong, why not just play gragas?Your item choices are your choices, you know my build and why I build it, and what you aim for/go for isn't the same as I do. I go tanky ap. I exist to be impossible to get to and even if you do be impossible to kill. Tear as a choice means you're going for highest AP values (or lots of mana but I doubt you can really fit in a second mana item) with deathcap and the like, but I find being 3-4k health better than having a 400 odd shield for a few seconds. Chalice/Athene's is great and all but I literally do not see how you can survive without flat mana, his costs are way too high.
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Gbay99
Smash Rookie
It just depends, both are equally viable. Picking a champ who can win the early game and use that to snowball your team is probably easier, but if you can guarantee making it to late game (and know how to survive early yourself) going someone like Vayne or Jax can be equally as viable, if not more so.
neither type of champ is better for carrying, if u wanna carry put time into the characters like shaya did malz or i did rengar easiest way to climb
i climbed to challenger with jungle rengar in s3, dont need to pick meta **** to win just need to pick something you know in and out
i climbed to challenger with jungle rengar in s3, dont need to pick meta **** to win just need to pick something you know in and out
Something that roams is your best bet imo. Lanes can't lose if you're forcing kills down their throats. Even though I have a billion Malz games, I'd pick someone I'm less comfortable with if I was in a low elo game, like maybe Diana. If I could win lane early with her, she can roam more often because her ult has such a short CD, you can gank every lane forever. In top lane I'd just pick like Garen or something, stomp lane and then become an unkillable monster and hopefully win. In jungle I'd probably just do what I always do, pick teleport Rammus and be everywhere on the map at all times
or just a super strong duelist like Xin and go kill people.This would work in Plat too, if I was good enough to actually guaranteed win lane all the time.
Yeah that's what I generally do, although if I get raged at it's generally not because I picked Malz, it's because I picked Malz and made a mistake at some point and got [insert enemy assassin] a kill or two ahead, so the game becomes a nightmare at that point. Also it's funny how Gragas/Leblanc/Lulu are ~the~ mids right now, when I don't even own these champs and the last time I played, you'd probably get trolled for picking them mid :| (not so much Gragas, but he wasn't considered a god tier pick like he is now)I basically shut up most people when I say, "and you're more the expert on my character how ?" or just... carry. And I've heard literally the same lines "lol this isn't season 2", "oh you shouldn't pick malz because they have Y", yada yada yada. What I can't stand is people going troll picks because of that character choice, and obviously I've powered through most of those occasions but its still quite daunting to deal with (I'm kinda over having Fiora top picked what seems like every time I've gone malz recently
Recently I realized I hadn't been abusing Malz's level 1 power as much as I could be. I always start Q and charge it up when leashing so I go to lane with a Voidling ready to cast, but with the way Voidling AI is now, just a Q on enemy laner and then an auto or two, combined with the voidling attacking, you can bully people really hard starting at level 1. (but then Leblanc hits level 2 and instantly takes half your health until you get your Catalyst)
I've been wanting to try a different tanky top/ap mid, and I'm thinking of my old standbys of Volibear and Karma. They both fit the roles perfectly, but I don't know how strong they are right now.
Does anyone seriously play Karma mid here? I know she has mana issues so Athene's or RoA are pretty core (maybe Tear if you want a cheaper alternative?) I'm thinking she's best with mana+CDR, so a hypothetical build of RoA->Morellonomnom->Deathcap/Void Staff sounds pretty good to me.
Volibear is hypothetically good as a bruiser/initiator top, but if memory serves correctly, his laning phase is weak against most of the popular top laners right now, and it's probably even worse than I remember. His autos hit like a wet noodle, his bite does no damage unless they're already low health (and how do you get them there with wet noodle attacks?) and his AoE will run you out of mana if you try to max it for damage. What he IS really good at though helping ganks. If you try to gank for volibear, he's stupidly good at preventing the opponent from running away, so maybe if you have a jungler you know will help get you snowballing, he's a good pick? I know once Voli gets ahead he becomes pretty broken.
edit: according to lolking Voli only takes smite 41% of the time, so I guess he's played top sometimes? Just haven't seen him since forever and it's sad because I used to play him all the time. I don't jungle him because I'd rather jungle other things, but if I could make it work top I think that'd be good
Also with the s4 support scaling, is Janna an acceptable mid pick? Just curious about this one.
Wow long post sorry :3
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Holy wall of text.
Janna top was fun when it use to be a thing and when zekent was about the only one that did it in diamond1 40+ lp
Janna top was fun when it use to be a thing and when zekent was about the only one that did it in diamond1 40+ lp
If I make mistakes in solo queue, I usually just accept that I can't be upset if we lose; It's the standard I set for myself.
If things look like they're going to go awfully, you have to play tactfully. If the reason I'm losing is because of jungle intervention and then if every other lane is losing, I kinda have to accept that we're likely to lose, but I try my best to boost moral by realising I just have to go balls to the walls sometime; investing in sorc boots over getting to roa may be the type of gamble you have to go for (also buying blue elixir).
I expect to lose to LB, although I have room to counter play (take the time to learn the max range of her W and be all like HYPER Q TEIM REACTION -> E = won lane even if you were 0/3 before hand). I just buy 5 potions on every shop (am I the only person left that still does this? having tons of potions is ****ing awesome) and make sure I'm doing my best to keep up farming, wait for an opportunity to wreck **** with my silence (dragon fight).
Level 1 is nice and interesting. People shouldn't try to trade with him, but they do. It's nice getting free lanes like that (basically it tells me if they know the malz mu at all -> "expect the free E bounces, trollolol"). Trying to be aggressive pre-3 is generally an alright idea, but I don't always go for it/force it; if I'm getting all 6/7 creeps per wave, I don't care if they're farming well either.
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ah yes the classic pedo garen skin
I've always played champs I like rather than meta champs. I switched to Jax because I found that I was having much more success with him than the laners that I mained (Rumble and Wukong) without needing anywhere near as much champion knowledge and mechanics.
Obviously my mechanics are bad in the grand scope of things because I'm bronze, but my Wukong is mechanically superior to 80-90% of my lane opponents. I often get free Q harrass, decoy their abilities, use my ult to interrupt their abilities, and generally mechanically outplay my opponent in lane. I win my lane most of the time as Wu. Even in teamfights I normally get at least 2-3 people in my ult when I get the carry. I have a positive KD as Wu, with like 71 more kills than deaths, yet despite this I have a winrate in the 40s.
Similar story with my Rumble. Outplay my opponent in lane most games, but my win-rate is somewhere in the 30s I think.
In contrast, I have like no Jax mechanics at all, and probably only win lane half the time. I do really dumb things sometime like start my E too early and miss the stun, and Q minions instead of the opponent. In teamfights I just jump on the carry with my stun and BOTRK, and basically just mash the keyboard until I die (If I don't die I normally end up getting at least a double) and I seem to win most teamfights that way. My jax KD is negative but my winrate is in the 60s, just because the champions is so much better for carrying games.
It's a similar story with my Fiora (who is my back-up when I can't get Jax). Negative KD, yet positive win-rate.
Obviously my Wu mechanics could improve, and better players would carry a lot more games at my level with him than I do. But the point is that just picking a strong carry like Jax, who I had no experience with and still don't fully understand as a champion, has outweighed my superior mechanics and champion knowledge with Wu (relative to my level of course).
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Ill bet you youre not prioritizing objectives enough with Wu/Rumble.
Yeah my objective game is pretty weak, but Jax's tower pushing is also another reason why I use him now. Wu and Rumble are more teamfighters than splitpushers. I've had more success carrying with splitpushing because it's a more solo strategy.
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I'm trying to pick up rumble, last hitting is hard with spitfire up, not used to this.
Life
Smash Hero
Yeah, that was my main hurdle on Rumble too. Luckily his R is hilariously strong even when underfarmed (that was the game where I came up with "don't make yourself uncarryable"). Ought to learn him for real soon.
Gbay99
Smash Rookie
You also have to be careful to not push the lane. Last hitting with Rumble is just weird lol.
back before they nerfed rumbles ult like 16 times i used to build sorc boots sunfire cape warmogs on him every game and i had like a 20-2 record with him LOL
champ is hillarious
@DRE thats because jax thrives in chaotic fights with no coordination whereas rumble/wu need some semblance of a team to back them up in fights, and in bronze its hard to coordinate since nobody really has a good grasp on the game
champ is hillarious
@DRE thats because jax thrives in chaotic fights with no coordination whereas rumble/wu need some semblance of a team to back them up in fights, and in bronze its hard to coordinate since nobody really has a good grasp on the game
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I find Rumble's auto animation awkward as well. His E is kind of difficult to farm with as well. It's so weak at early levels that I've had people deliberately tank it to deny me minions.
P3- I guess you're right. That's why I like split pushers now, because you can make plays by yourself, or at least force things to happen.
P3- I guess you're right. That's why I like split pushers now, because you can make plays by yourself, or at least force things to happen.
You'd probably really like Twisted Fate if you like to do your own thing the majority of the time Dre. You basically do you're own thing split pushing late game, or harassing with your ablitity pokes, but still have the map presents to hurry up to an area and turn around gank attempts or join team fights.
The thing about splitpushers is that they still require your team to have some objectives in mind. If you're splitpushing top or whatever and win 1v1 and get towers, that's great. But if you wind up 1v3 and the rest of your team doesn't bother to do anything when their team has 3 top, you don't get anything accomplished with your death
Gbay99
Smash Rookie
That's true, but at the same time if you win your lane 1v1 and are able to take objectives top lane you'll be able to shift your opponents focus onto you making other lanes really easy for your team. You do have to be careful of dying or getting caught out depending on who you are and how far you push, but overall a few wards and some good map awareness shouldn't make staying alive too hard.The thing about splitpushers is that they still require your team to have some objectives in mind. If you're splitpushing top or whatever and win 1v1 and get towers, that's great. But if you wind up 1v3 and the rest of your team doesn't bother to do anything when their team has 3 top, you don't get anything accomplished with your death
Some projectiles just go through people. Ashe's Enchanted Crystal Arrow is notorious for sometimes simply not detecting enemy characters and just going through them.
Never happens when I'm playing against an Ashe though. Only seems to happen to MY crystal arrows.
gg rito
what if that's not a troll pick, bro?What I can't stand is people going troll picks because of that character choice, and obviously I've powered through most of those occasions but its still quite daunting to deal with (I'm kinda over having Fiora top picked what seems like every time I've gone malz recently
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Clearly those games should be remade when they happened.
Because picking more damage and no beefyness when there's a malzahar on the team is trolling :<
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Ohh, ok that's fair enough
He was one of the first champs I bought but I found his kit really awkward. I'm actually in a Shen phase at the moment because I really like his kit, even if he isn't much of a carry. I was considering AP Shen with lich bane and maybe nashors as a split pushing carry type. His ult has good bases plus 130% AP scaling. If that doesn't work I'll probably resort to a sunfire abyssal triforce build if I decide to bring him out in ranked.
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dre
no ap shen plz
at least play ap nasus if you want to do something stupid
no ap shen plz
at least play ap nasus if you want to do something stupid
AP Nasus with that sneaky 800 AD while ulting.
The maximum bonus AD you can get from your ult is 300
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Incorrect (unless they changed it)
The maximum AD you can gain per second is 300.
The maximum AD you can gain per second is 300.
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My mistake, must have read that wrong. The other day I was thinking that AP Nasus would be interesting. You'd still get some stacks with Q, and you could probably Zhonyas in your ult and keep your ult going.
On another note, just wanted to know what people thought of the sunfire-abyssal combo on tanks. I know abyssal isn't really considered a tank item, but I feel like sunfire wouldn't do much damage without any mpen.
On another note, just wanted to know what people thought of the sunfire-abyssal combo on tanks. I know abyssal isn't really considered a tank item, but I feel like sunfire wouldn't do much damage without any mpen.
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Life
Smash Hero
I'm pretty sure it's very strong on Amumu since he benefits from the aura and the AP a lot. Beyond that, hard to say. Maybe on Shyvana against multi-AP comps?
after getting tabi, randiuns, sunfire, and thornmail vs an all ad team, i got seekers->zhonyas and its ****ing awesome lmao
i wish taunt didnt cost so much energy
I actually think Riot wants Abyssal to be more of a tank item, considering they nerfed the aura radius because too many non-tanks were buying it.
Still, it's pretty inferior (damage soakwise) compared to the other MR items. If you have the durability and want the extra damage though, go for it.
It doesn't if you hit at least two people with it though, which I think is good design.
I was trying to come up with a Shen build that is tanky but still has some damage so I can try carry soloq with it. I was thinking of a core of sunfire wmogs abyssal tmail. Wmogs is to make up for the lack of health from abyssal and tmail, but damage-wise abyssal synergises really well with tmail and sunfire. You are however, using 3 slots to effectively get 2 items worth of stats with the wmogs abyssal tmail core, but I'm thinking it might be justified by the quality of the tmail and abyssal passives.
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Zano
Smash Master
when are we getting an up to date thread title
