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Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Nasus Top tho. Just survive laning, then walk into 1v5s and win games.
And Riven is stupid, but I do think she's overrated in that people complain about her more than they should. Yes, shes really strong, but shes not THAT far ahead of other Top laners. Imo Nidalee is a much bigger problem, she has stupid high reward with basically 0 risk.
Also, as an ADC main, Lucian too stronk, dat early game trading OP.
And Riven is stupid, but I do think she's overrated in that people complain about her more than they should. Yes, shes really strong, but shes not THAT far ahead of other Top laners. Imo Nidalee is a much bigger problem, she has stupid high reward with basically 0 risk.
Also, as an ADC main, Lucian too stronk, dat early game trading OP.
I thought Nidalee wasn't as much as a problem with the spear nerfs?
I've been riding the lucian train since he got those inital QoL changes a patch or so after his release. I think he is in a great spot right now, I honestly hope he doesn't get hit very hard at all. The most I would want would be a light increase in the mana cost of his q (that would be really big actually) or tone down the early base dmg for it. Its nice to see other adcs being played besides Vayne and Cait every once in a while.
I've been riding the lucian train since he got those inital QoL changes a patch or so after his release. I think he is in a great spot right now, I honestly hope he doesn't get hit very hard at all. The most I would want would be a light increase in the mana cost of his q (that would be really big actually) or tone down the early base dmg for it. Its nice to see other adcs being played besides Vayne and Cait every once in a while.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
The Q isnt the problem, its the passive, it does far too much damage early. He effectively gets 2 spells worth of damage for every spell he does due to it.
And Nidalee's spears only really got nerfed if you hit from a mid to point blank range, at long/max range the damage is still roughly the same, and every Nidalee should always be going for long range hits.
And Nidalee's spears only really got nerfed if you hit from a mid to point blank range, at long/max range the damage is still roughly the same, and every Nidalee should always be going for long range hits.
No, pretty much the Q is the problem in lane lol. There's a reason they're nerfing the extra % Bonus AD it does and the range of it.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Q's good, but I still think the passive is better, even if only by a bit.
Man, people really don't like support. Almost every normal game for me is me being forced on support, only time I don't support (much) is when I'm in my group.
SmashBro99
Smash Champion
So Fiddle's fear and Rammus' taunt are getting nerfed I hear? The fear is what allows Fiddle to actually do damage...and the taunt is the only reason to play Rammus. They need to stop nerfing **** that's ok as is and give Riven mana among other problems.
When I think of the balancing team hard at work this is all I can think of:
When I think of the balancing team hard at work this is all I can think of:
SmashBro99
Smash Champion
From your last post and that one, it seems you don't know how to cc him at all and end up feeding him 
lol.
lol.
It takes almost 4 seasons to finally mess with Fiddle. The moment he's played competitively they nerf. Morello/rito on Balance :^)
Whatever reddit complains about they nerf or buff, not everything, but whatever's the loudest. Just surprised they didn't touch Riven yet, maybe after her Dragon skin is released, get the monies.
Whatever reddit complains about they nerf or buff, not everything, but whatever's the loudest. Just surprised they didn't touch Riven yet, maybe after her Dragon skin is released, get the monies.
Coney
Smash Master
wtf rammus has a 56% win rate and he's like, 60th most played champ, adjustments to taunt and fear are VERY welcome tyvm
Cries that both champs will never be used are unfounded and probably wrong
Cries that both champs will never be used are unfounded and probably wrong
It's obviously too hard for ranged carries and others to build mercury treads.
New gens don't remember the good ol days where there was no other choice but Mercury Treads.
New gens don't remember the good ol days where there was no other choice but Mercury Treads.
BSL
B-B-B-BLAMM!!!
I think it's stupid that they changed that and not other ults. Freakin Darius gets to dunk you from the 3point line, but skarner's ult breaks? Thanks riot.
Not sure if agreein or disagreeing, but when things that're OP are nerfed to the ground, people find the next best thing. They mess with that and do well, until it's finally noticed then that's nerfed too. AP tryn for example was only ever done by one random guy that climbed the ladder to (plat I believe?) then being used in tournament play den it was nerfed.
Which is why Annie support is a thing now lol.
I still hate the change to skarner, guess the changes to him whenever it happens will make him a tad better despite his ult not getting touched much.
Meanwhile zyra support got hit two pre-seasons in a row, while Annie support which was also prevalent, and merited bans, at worlds was un-touched.
As long as they don't mess with olaf/Nami/Cass right now I really don't care what else happens to other champions. except jax. **** jax.
As long as they don't mess with olaf/Nami/Cass right now I really don't care what else happens to other champions. except jax. **** jax.
nami got buff after buff, still not seeing much play since taric sona fiddle thresh and annie exist.
Cass was only relevant in S2.
Olaf is broken and might be touched in his naughty places soon.
Cass was only relevant in S2.
Olaf is broken and might be touched in his naughty places soon.
From your last post and that one, it seems you don't know how to cc him at all and end up feeding him
ya this is true
Yeah P3 sorry that the 3 second fear you got hit with you didn't react to in time to CC him first when he ult flashed into your lane, ya fkn bad
Cass might possibly see a rise with the drop off of so many assassins, the introduction of free wards that protect her from ganks, and I don't imagine she struggles much against the likes of Syndra or Ziggs, who have been seeing a lot of play lately.
Granted, I'm talking right out of my ass...
Granted, I'm talking right out of my ass...
DallasPhat
Smash Master
Uh.. just later levels did fear get hit. Still .7 duration is nothing.. 2.3 second fear is still gay AF.
With fiddle fear down to 2.3, it means less than 2 seconds with tenacity.
But then that means Shaco's boxes at level 5 is better than them since it does damage and tends to be used on either junglers early or on the squishies who obviously don't have tenacity...
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We here at Riot provide quality balance and fairness to ALL of our players, and we currently think Shaco's jitb fear and damage from it are too high, so we're nerfing that while making his clone last forever till killed to compensate for this quality of life change.
But then that means Shaco's boxes at level 5 is better than them since it does damage and tends to be used on either junglers early or on the squishies who obviously don't have tenacity...
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We here at Riot provide quality balance and fairness to ALL of our players, and we currently think Shaco's jitb fear and damage from it are too high, so we're nerfing that while making his clone last forever till killed to compensate for this quality of life change.
Leacero
Smash Lord
is it taboo for squishies to get tenacity or something
Zano
Smash Master
yes, it is
it's not taboo
it just only happens when they sell their Berserker's Greaves for Zephyr after finishing their first five items
it just only happens when they sell their Berserker's Greaves for Zephyr after finishing their first five items
Above post, and if you're an ad like Lucian Varus or corki where you can alternate your boots to tabi or treads.
Corki cause doesn't auto as much and gets that from TF
Same for Lucian.
Varus gets AS from shiv and passive anyways.
That and I go ghostblade on Lucian.
Boofy!
Smash Champion
I saw some guy go ghostblade on Lucian and I made fun of him, he proceeded to dumpster me.
Also I had an idea on how to nerf support annie while keeping mid lane annie intact.. what if each ability had a different stun timer? Maybe have Q be 1 second, w be .7 since its AOE and leave the 1.5 on R. Thoughts?
Also I had an idea on how to nerf support annie while keeping mid lane annie intact.. what if each ability had a different stun timer? Maybe have Q be 1 second, w be .7 since its AOE and leave the 1.5 on R. Thoughts?
teluoborg
Smash Otter
How wrong am I for building swiftness on Draven ? I started doing it recently and it just feels right for axe catching I don't even feel like building a zeal item before late game.
Why get tenacity when you can have QSSSSSS ?
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Fiddle fear is ********, it's been overdue for a nerf.So Fiddle's fear and Rammus' taunt are getting nerfed I hear? The fear is what allows Fiddle to actually do damage...and the taunt is the only reason to play Rammus. They need to stop nerfing **** that's ok as is and give Riven mana among other problems.
When I think of the balancing team hard at work this is all I can think of:
Rammus is almost as bad.
The only issue I have is that Rammus is so easy to deal with in the early game. He's so fragile if he gets his jungle invaded, he can't duel against junglers who decide to steal camps, and has no way to bypass wards to gank lanes.His speed during Powerball is the only reason he's able to do anything leading up toward the end of the lane phase.
Compounded by the fact that Rammus' taunt requires him to be in melee range, against a cast who are only getting more and more mobile as new champs are released, as well as the new preseason that grants players free wards, and you just have a crappy time if you don't get a handful of successful ganks.
That isn't to say that it's impossible. Rammus' ganks and map coverage is insane compared to other tanky junglers. It's just that Rammus has to put a lot at risk if he wants to even attempt a taunt in game.
As far as laning goes, Fiddle's fear has no real drawbacks if it's being used right. A 3 second lockdown from range is kinda stupid, and maxing taunt on Rammus first makes you more squishy than you can really afford. Works great for picks, though.
I wish there were more tenacity items for ADCs and the like. Zephyr's really the only choice aside from Mercs, but it cuts in on your damage output by so much if you rush either one, to the extent that attempting a trade without jungler help would only end without any net gains. I wonder how effective rushing Zephy vs. a Fiddle would even work. God help you if he has someone like Jinx to fight against.
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I just checked Zephyr's stats compared to other rushed items. It's not as bad as I thought.
I mean, you sacrifice about 20 AD (if you wanted BF Sword) and 10/12% lifesteal (vamp/bilgewater), but it grants you 35% more attack speed than Berserkers, the same AD as a bilgewater, as well as the movement speed, cdr, and 35% tenacity. At the same time though, I'm comparing a legendary item to a piece of an incomplete item, so it's kinda expected.
I mean, it's definitely gold efficient, but you'd definitely be losing out on the damage/utility from other items that you'd build on ADCs first, like BT, BoRK, or TForce.
I imagine that trading that excess damage for all of that safety is something a lot of people just don't want to risk. Plus, I'd bet that people'd give you **** for not building things they expect you to build on certain characters.
Mute tho.
Compounded by the fact that Rammus' taunt requires him to be in melee range, against a cast who are only getting more and more mobile as new champs are released, as well as the new preseason that grants players free wards, and you just have a crappy time if you don't get a handful of successful ganks.
That isn't to say that it's impossible. Rammus' ganks and map coverage is insane compared to other tanky junglers. It's just that Rammus has to put a lot at risk if he wants to even attempt a taunt in game.
As far as laning goes, Fiddle's fear has no real drawbacks if it's being used right. A 3 second lockdown from range is kinda stupid, and maxing taunt on Rammus first makes you more squishy than you can really afford. Works great for picks, though.
I wish there were more tenacity items for ADCs and the like. Zephyr's really the only choice aside from Mercs, but it cuts in on your damage output by so much if you rush either one, to the extent that attempting a trade without jungler help would only end without any net gains. I wonder how effective rushing Zephy vs. a Fiddle would even work. God help you if he has someone like Jinx to fight against.
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I just checked Zephyr's stats compared to other rushed items. It's not as bad as I thought.
I mean, you sacrifice about 20 AD (if you wanted BF Sword) and 10/12% lifesteal (vamp/bilgewater), but it grants you 35% more attack speed than Berserkers, the same AD as a bilgewater, as well as the movement speed, cdr, and 35% tenacity. At the same time though, I'm comparing a legendary item to a piece of an incomplete item, so it's kinda expected.
I mean, it's definitely gold efficient, but you'd definitely be losing out on the damage/utility from other items that you'd build on ADCs first, like BT, BoRK, or TForce.
I imagine that trading that excess damage for all of that safety is something a lot of people just don't want to risk. Plus, I'd bet that people'd give you **** for not building things they expect you to build on certain characters.
Mute tho.
That's why you usually go cleanse for late game. Otherwise in lane it's only 1 second, if any fiddle support is going terrify at level 1, they should prolly kill themselves. That and he's brittlesticks, anybody can burst him down while blitz/thresh counter him cause hooks.
If jungle, then same thing with rammus. Easy to counterjungle, only really wins against weak no cc champs in jungle. Not counting shyvana cause of damage from burnout. Fugg her.
For fiddle though he can't gank till he gets his free flash ult, then and there if no laner is keeping the place warded up it's prolly their fault for dying to fiddle 2 or more times. People still sometimes forget to ward and almost never use their one minute trinket while never spending 75 gold at least on one more ward, dumb when I can only light up the map with 4 of them now.
If jungle, then same thing with rammus. Easy to counterjungle, only really wins against weak no cc champs in jungle. Not counting shyvana cause of damage from burnout. Fugg her.
For fiddle though he can't gank till he gets his free flash ult, then and there if no laner is keeping the place warded up it's prolly their fault for dying to fiddle 2 or more times. People still sometimes forget to ward and almost never use their one minute trinket while never spending 75 gold at least on one more ward, dumb when I can only light up the map with 4 of them now.
supports should be building more Mikael's, especially now that it only costs 1600, and ADC's should be taking Cleanse/Mercs more often
people not changing their builds enough on a game to game basis is just silly
that said, still glad that Fiddle fear is being nerfed because **** that ability
kind of feels unnecessary for Rammus though as he actually has to put himself into risk, and it's far too easy for your tank line to just stop Rammus from getting to important targets outside of Rammus having to Flash
people not changing their builds enough on a game to game basis is just silly
that said, still glad that Fiddle fear is being nerfed because **** that ability
kind of feels unnecessary for Rammus though as he actually has to put himself into risk, and it's far too easy for your tank line to just stop Rammus from getting to important targets outside of Rammus having to Flash
I also tend to forget that a lot of my rambling is invalidated by draft and ranked gameplay, where you can clearly see what bull**** you are going to be fighting in lane/teamfights, and have plenty of time to set up runes/masteries/summoner spells/team composition, as well as in-game gold to itemize against it.
Still, Fiddle fear is ranged 3 second lockdown. No other character in this game has an auto-targetted 3 second ranged lockdown with a near zero-spellcast time. That's kinda stupid.
Still, Fiddle fear is ranged 3 second lockdown. No other character in this game has an auto-targetted 3 second ranged lockdown with a near zero-spellcast time. That's kinda stupid.
Nasus.
Though it takes a few seconds to almost completely wittle their MS to might as well be 0.
Though it takes a few seconds to almost completely wittle their MS to might as well be 0.
Zano
Smash Master
Mystery gifts can be pretty neat.
Not what I wanted but I'll take it
Not what I wanted but I'll take it
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It's only crippling on an ADC or AD autoattacker like YI/Fiora/Trynd.
Otherwise most champs just treat it as a slow which does last a bit, prenerf wither was hilarious though.
Hot_ArmS
Smash Hero
barrier too OP to take over cleanse though
in other news anyone have any hearthstone beta keys lying around for me?
in other news anyone have any hearthstone beta keys lying around for me?
No, pretty sure the wither works on everyone. So it's crippling to everyone lol.
It's even more sad when I see a rammus using powerball with mobo's and has ancient golem still going under 200 MS even at max rank only for him to wither again when it already goes down from the previous one.
It's even more sad when I see a rammus using powerball with mobo's and has ancient golem still going under 200 MS even at max rank only for him to wither again when it already goes down from the previous one.