Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[Asdioh]

Or make pink wards disappear.

Oracles is in a good spot for this change.

Going to have to delete Eve/etc if you're gonna do that.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

So would dropping pink wards, since IMO a lot of the destructive parts of the ward battle is caused by pinks.

Oracles change makes this a more viable idea.

 

[Player-3]

please dont remove pink wards that would be horrible lol

 

[KevinM]

We should just remove wards, **** knowin where the team is. Slide right in that ***** and hit like a grown ass man.

 

[Plum]

I'm looking forward to seeing how they address the ward problem in season 4.
It will be good as a jungler to have less omnipresent vision from the enemy team, and also good as a support to not have to sink like 75% of my income into a vision war.
I feel like it will more than likely just be something as simple as a ward limit for your team, but Riot might cook up something different. Regardless of how they address it, I think the current ward system just makes things more boring.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

please dont remove pink wards that would be horrible lol

The oracles change fixes some of it's gold issues, pinks though keep this destructive cycle of making both supports having no gold. If removing doesn't happen then supports are gonna keep their 2-3 items builds at 50 minutes.

 

[Wave⁂]

Make pinks invisible to other pinks, but not other forms of detection?

 

[john!]

Make pinks invisible to other pinks, but not other forms of detection?

so you could just walk up to a pink ward and kill it without true sight? seems like a bad solution unless you make pinks way cheaper

maybe just making pink wards unkillable would be the best option

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Just make wards limited like in dota. The whole map doesn't need to be lit up like a Christmas tree anyway. :3

 

[Asdioh]

(it kinda does in solo queue, and even then it's not enough)

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I think that's a matter of opinion. I can tell what the enemy team is doing just by having some key places warded, rather than the whole thing warded, but mayyyybe that's just me.

 

[BSL]

so you could just walk up to a pink ward and kill it without true sight? seems like a bad solution unless you make pinks way cheaper

maybe just making pink wards unkillable would be the best option

I'm sure he meant invisible normal vision as well.

 

[Leacero]

maybe just making pink wards unkillable would be the best option

that sounds like a terrible, terrible idea.

 

[john!]

I'm sure he meant invisible normal vision as well.

so what forms of "detection" are there other than regular wards? if you let only green wards reveal pink wards, then you are still caught in an endless cycle of ward killing that starves supports of their gold.

that sounds like a terrible, terrible idea.

more terrible than costing supports 1000+ gold every game? care to explain?

you realize that back in the days when supports took CV, you could have uncounterable vision anywhere on the map every minute, right? the only difference here is that you'd be able to tell if the enemy pink warded a certain location, which isn't exactly gamebreaking.

 

[Shaya]

I think Riot wants to make Elise's Miracle potentially and an actual thing in relation to CV.
One of those things that "supports with gold" would actually get.

Honestly, back in the day, when supports were either bot with a tank (and hence usually getting like 2/3rds of the farm if not more) or sometimes thrown into middle (Sona/Soraka/Janna) that's when they felt the greatest/best. Shame I don't foresee the game changing at all to resolve all the issues here any time soon.

Like ******* may not be aware of the days where Sona was rushing innovating locket. And she wanted it by the 15-20 minute mark.

 

[BSL]

so what forms of "detection" are there other than regular wards? if you let only green wards reveal pink wards, then you are still caught in an endless cycle of ward killing that starves supports of their gold.



more terrible than costing supports 1000+ gold every game? care to explain?

you realize that back in the days when supports took CV, you could have uncounterable vision anywhere on the map every minute, right? the only difference here is that you'd be able to tell if the enemy pink warded a certain location, which isn't exactly gamebreaking.

Any form of true sight that isn't pink wards.

 

[john!]

Any form of true sight that isn't pink wards.

so... oracle's? this still doesn't really solve the problem of supports having to blow tons of gold on wards that are often killed within seconds. plus, making oracle's a necessity might actually starve them even more.

 

[Player-3]

removing pink wards would cause supports to be MORE gold starved, lol

 

[Plum]

I think Riot wants to make Elise's Miracle potentially and an actual thing in relation to CV.
One of those things that "supports with gold" would actually get.

Honestly, back in the day, when supports were either bot with a tank (and hence usually getting like 2/3rds of the farm if not more) or sometimes thrown into middle (Sona/Soraka/Janna) that's when they felt the greatest/best. Shame I don't foresee the game changing at all to resolve all the issues here any time soon.

Like *****es may not be aware of the days where Sona was rushing innovating locket. And she wanted it by the 15-20 minute mark.

From what I've seen following the Red tracker, the current to-do list for Season 4 is pretty long.
- Have less incentive to run 2v1 objective rush lanes.
- Give junglers more income to make carry jungling more doable.
- Fix the whole "jungle camps belong to your laners after ~10 minutes" thing.
- Fix the vision war that forces supports to have next to no items even late late game.
So hopefully we can see more supports actually building items again. Sadly I doubt it would ever go back to the way it used to be when you would have like double tank or tank/support bot lane... those were fun days. But I'm all for ending ward slaves.
Also I'm excited for higher jungle income. I want to be able to go manmode on guys like Tiger Udyr and build Triforce and Last Whisper while still being able to afford critical defensive options like Randuins. The games where I get completely fed and actually get to do that are too few and far between

 

[Espy Rose]

As an aside, is it just me, or does Wriggles kinda suck right now?
Like, I tried Tryndamere jungle with wriggles, and everything just seemed infinitely slower.

 

[Player-3]

yes it sucks

 

[Asdioh]

AP Corki is kinda fun! (in co-op vs ai on his free week)
Also, 6.5k ping spike confirms comcast problems are still ongoing. Sigh.

Anywho, anyone ever tried Morgana support to counter Janna? Doesn't she wreck her in theory? Land a snare, she's hella dead, want to engage, use black shield and ignore all her peel.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Morgana support is good imo. Its better than Lux support at least.

 

[Boofy!]

Morgana support is hella good, especially with Blitz/Thresh being so popular. Think I'm like 6-0 with it in ranked.

 

[Wave⁂]

Okay guys I got it

All wards are invisible to normal vision
Normal wards do what they do now
Pink wards can see normal wards
Blue wards can see pink and normal wards
Rainbow wards can see pink and blue wards but not normal wards
Clear wards are invisible to all true sight but give no vision

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Clear wards are invisible to all true sight but give no vision

i like it, i love it

 

[Shaya]

AP Corki is kinda fun! (in co-op vs ai on his free week)

Believe in the like 4000 aoe base magic damage ult.

 

[bassem6]

Wanted to chill with the lag tonight, but normals matched up against apparently Bassem & co.
I remembered why I dropped Galio top.

Duuuuude that game was so lulzy...COULDN'T KILL YOUR GALIO WITH RAMMUS EVEN THOUGH I CHASED ALL THE WAY FROM DRAGON TO YOUR INHIBITOR TOWER

 

[Geoberos]

lmao your ramm is cray-- balls deep with the ap powerballin's and tauntin's and tremorin', and i'm bulwarking and gusting away every chance at it
only for it to be off cd just right when you got me at 5hp. ****ing. spirit visage.

vs olaf tho. the moment he hit 2, struck me with true damage 1/5th my hp, there goes my last hitting opportunities. 68 to 22 cs around 10 min.

 

[Leacero]

more terrible than costing supports 1000+ gold every game? care to explain?

you realize that back in the days when supports took CV, you could have uncounterable vision anywhere on the map every minute, right? the only difference here is that you'd be able to tell if the enemy pink warded a certain location, which isn't exactly gamebreaking.

Having unkillable sight for 3 minutes on a portion of the map doesn't sound like a bad idea to you?

 

[Shaya]

If it was an indestructible but "public" beacon it could still work.
"Yes we have sight here,
you know we have sight here".

I could totally see shorter duration wards working with those specifics.

 

[john!]

Having unkillable sight for 3 minutes on a portion of the map doesn't sound like a bad idea to you?

oh whoops, i didn't realize that making "pink wards unkillable" would "give unkillable sight on a portion of the map". guess i'll have to re-evaluate my entire thought process. your helpful criticism is appreciated.

 

[DallasPhat]

Make wards work like sonar instead of giving full perimeter vision.

 

[Coney]

swf 5s team theme

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XbnkpjjhSY#t=13s

 

[Ussi]

A ward cap would make CV that much more useful. First they have to make CV give assists though.. (Cause supports assist spamming would a bad thing right? TOO MUCH FREE GOLD FOR THE SUPPORT OH NO!)

 

[adumbrodeus]

oh whoops, i didn't realize that making "pink wards unkillable" would "give unkillable sight on a portion of the map". guess i'll have to re-evaluate my entire thought process. your helpful criticism is appreciated.

And this is the moment where we figured out john was replaced by alien invaders.

But seriously your attitude as of late, I like. ^_^

 

[Boofy!]

swf 5s team theme

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XbnkpjjhSY#t=13s

 

[Plum]

If they tweaked the ward system to give incentive to CV again I think that would be a good thing.
Taking CV would obviously give you a clear advantage in vision which would be very useful with weaker wards/limited number of wards/whatever they do, but it leaves you wide open to something like Leona + Graves killing your ass because you didn't take Exhaust.
The more they can mix up summoners the better.

 

[Okuser]

Vayne. Every single game.

 

[Z'zgashi]

I ban Vayne when I have the chance, shes annoying.