How much more health are you healing in that situation though DMG? (in comparison to BT)
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Lovage
Smash Hero
nice try noobCs;go is ****ing garbage compared to CSS OR 1.6 get that out of here lovage
source player confirmed btw
Okuser
Smash Ace
I'm sorry, you honestly wont have 4 other players capable of teamfighting correctly untill like 2100+
I think the best way to get a pug to team fight properly is to explain every single detail/step of the team fight before hand.
Okay guys, Malphite and I (amumu/galio/etc) are going to stand in this brush. The moment any squishie comes we'll initiate. We're going to save X/Y spell for when the Ezreal or Miss Fortune decides to show their face. I and Support will stay near our Ezreal or MF and you need to save your ult/blink to the "Following situation". Their enemy olaf is going to
lalalal.
It still fails.
BUT SOMETIMES IT WORKS.
Okay guys, Malphite and I (amumu/galio/etc) are going to stand in this brush. The moment any squishie comes we'll initiate. We're going to save X/Y spell for when the Ezreal or Miss Fortune decides to show their face. I and Support will stay near our Ezreal or MF and you need to save your ult/blink to the "Following situation". Their enemy olaf is going to
lalalal.
It still fails.
BUT SOMETIMES IT WORKS.
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Spread in GO still seems really weird to me, I know there was a pretty large patch around that recently I haven't messed with though.
Lovage
Smash Hero
ya the last big patch changed pistol balance and made ak/m4 recoil way similar to 1.6
aite gonna stop derailing yall thread peace out
sauc3
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PsychoMidget
Smash Lord
LOOOOl
everytime a new version of cs comes out I always hear how it sucks until the next version comes out
I should play with you more
Dekar173
Justice Man
Every 2 times!
1.4 to 1.5 was one of those times.
Bronze/Silver division pubstompers, kgo.
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I'm sick of using Morde.
Having great success with Xin though, gank at level 2, guaranteed flash at least.
I ganked all three lanes with him, got a flash from all of them and the game was only like, 4 mins in.
Having great success with Xin though, gank at level 2, guaranteed flash at least.
I ganked all three lanes with him, got a flash from all of them and the game was only like, 4 mins in.
Dekar173
Justice Man
No shaya, it wasn't. 1.4 was for a day.
1.3 > 1.5 was like a complete gamechange though. So I'd accept that.
1.3 > 1.5 was like a complete gamechange though. So I'd accept that.
Dunno. 18 vs 10 + % of the item
If they have the same AD, target with 1500 health. Hit for 300 on both (ignoring the extra damage on BotRK for this part, but not ignoring the healing from that damage), 50% reduction from armor already in play
54 vs 30 + (30/2) (4% of 1500 is 60, armor reduces it to 30 and you heal for half so 15)
So in that case, BT outheals
Target with 3000 health. Hit for 500 on both, 50% reduction again already factored in
90 vs 50 + (60/2) (120, armor puts it to 60, heal for half so 30)
In this case, BT heals for more
Now instead of 500, let's try 700 (really ****in high number for someone reducing half of this, but hey)
126 vs 70 + 30
In this case, BT heals for more again
As the person loses health, BotRK does less damage and heals for less obv because it's based off current health. These were also assuming that you have the same AD/Damage already, which obviously isn't true. BT is quite a bit more damage, which combined with it's higher base healing means you really need to clobber high health targets to keep up in damage and healing, while totally being outclassed when they are at lower healths. The active is a bit trickier to factor in: healing wise it's very good because IIRC it calculates your heal BEFORE armor/reduction takes place. The number listed in the tooltip from base + AD scaling is always what you get from what it says. This can be massive, and in that regard you definitely are healing more upfront during a team fight if you land the active. Just be wary to not waste DPS landing it, and that technically the earlier you use it the less effective it is for the rest of your DPS because you're mini nuking them/reducing their current health.
This also assumes a fully stacked BT, and assumes that in both instances you already have the same AD. As in both sets somehow magically have 200 AD + same crit/etc, which is not realistic comparison to buying BT as first item vs buying Blade first item. That analysis is likely to be a bit skewed towards BT, stacked or not. Just remember that. A non stacked BT vs Blade with the same AD, and non stack BT vs Blade upfront would be interesting. I might look at it later.
Upfront DPS and healing tends to look not too shabby for Blade, and doing Baron is also MUCH better with Blade. Blade's extra damage and healing initially can easily surpass BT, but again works against itself as they lose health.
Cost analysis for Blade also heavily depends on how beefy the other guy is. It's inherent base stats are not very efficient for the cost, but obviously improves as people get more health and as you get more AD for the active.
!!! Wait a second, I think I calculated some of the values for Blade wrong on the healing. It may... not really come that close LOL. One sec
Ok, BotRK is a bit misleading on the healing amount. You do the 4% damage, heal for half. If you healed for the full 4% damage, you would outheal or be really close to BT in a lot of cases upfront. Because it's reduced to half however... Idk it doesn't seem that close lol. I might have ****ed up somewhere, I'll look at it when I'm not tired and clean it up well.
Dekar173
Justice Man
Bork on an ad like Ez is great, since he scales so well with the auto aspect of it, with his slipperiness and passive he's gonna be autoing all day.
Also, in preparation for the buffs to it, you'd better get used to its build path because starting off building a bilgewater instead of BF is gonna feel silly to a lot of you.
Also, in preparation for the buffs to it, you'd better get used to its build path because starting off building a bilgewater instead of BF is gonna feel silly to a lot of you.
Yeah. BotRK just gets ****in complicated because you have to consider shields and the other guy sustaining, how much your healing will matter (healing more early on if you are full health doesn't mean ****), how critting affects the efficiency, the active, etc. Blaalaaahasdhahrrragggagga
I'm just gonna sleep. Basic rule of thumb though, is that rushing BT over Blade doesn't sound that silly and the numbers so far do not point to BotRK blowing BT out of the water. With the buffs though we will see.
I'm just gonna sleep. Basic rule of thumb though, is that rushing BT over Blade doesn't sound that silly and the numbers so far do not point to BotRK blowing BT out of the water. With the buffs though we will see.
I don't get the joke, and I think I've seen her mentioned before (in regard to dropping a soul)Miss Fortune.
Is it because she's a WENCH >=(
I've learned that forcing flash isn't enough, you have to shove kills down their throats most of the time. Too many times I've forced a flash or whatever and then my laner dies later on anyway. Also consider taking TP (sometimes) while jungling, depending on enemy team and your confidence at not getting caught. Even if you do get caught, Xin's not bad at escaping with his ult and jumping to minions. First TP jungler I saw was a Xin, and I laughed at it at first but it's useful at all stages of the game, and he already has a built in flash so it's not too bad.
I just bought MF since I didn't own any popular strong ADs. Hella strong. The only thing is that I didn't realize that her Q bounce gets minion aggro. That's kind of annoying, especially considering she's what, the only champ in the game that has a passive get interrupted by minion attacks?
Also are there any bot lane/general matchups you definitely should not pick her in? A guide says Draven's good against her, but Draven's good against everyone so whatever.
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Varus, Caitlyn, Kogmaw, and maybe Urgot.
Basically just poke outside his range, if not just outscale him. His late game isn't that good among ADCs.
It's League of Draven for a reason.
League of Master Yi wasn't catchy enough.
League of Master Yi wasn't catchy enough.
Dekar173
Justice Man
Oh ya, so apparently our team plays Dignitas game 1 for TSM invitational. OPOP
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Is their second team also just called dignitas or something?
Dekar173
Justice Man
Ya I believe so, it's old Pulse.
Why gank at LVL 2 when you can double buff gank LVL 3?
I always run smiteless leash wherever my bot lane ends up (based on Blue or Red) regardless of which champion I use to second buff to LVL 3 gank. So efficient.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Well the later the game the more it's about safety and mobility anyway so draven's fall off isn't really related to his damage, just the fact that it's better having an adc with ok damage that's still doing adc level damage versus an adc that's doing massive damage but is super vulnerable to being dived.
Well unless you're a dedicated catch team in which case that upfront damage is really powerful.
Miss Fortune.
oh right she's a redheadOh my god are you serious?
**** that joke imo
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I guess she's super strong right now...but I still don't think her passive should be interrupted by MINIONS.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
As an MF/Trist main, the minions thing really isnt a big deal. I guess it CAN be annoying, but its not that bad.
Niko45
Smash Master
My current theory is to just play some champion that can get to and kill enemy adc. Don't play something that needs to be peeled for. Just play a champion and build accordingly to 1v1 enemy ad.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Like Shyvana!
Niko45
Smash Master
Pretty sure a shyvana has never killed an ezreal in history without being seriously snowballed. Or at least I'm just going to say that.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Well if your standard is "can dive in and 1v1 the enemy ezreal in a teamfight situation", your list of champions to play is kha'zix and ... kha'zix.
She's a redhead, not a ginger.Miss Fortune.
I feel so sorry for you for last season. Yeesh.
I always follow up on a flash, in fact I just run around the map ganking. Sometimes I need to stop and think about actually farming the jungle.
I'll consider TP, tho I'm a little scared to try it since flash = <3
Actually... Teleport would make for some amazing lane ganks.
>appear at bot
>teleport top
THEYLL NEVER SEE IT COMING
I see stonewall do this, I used to do it too, but I find with Xin that you don't even need it. :x
A buddy of mine told me to stop taking red so early, but I've concluded he's is an idiot anyway.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
You misunderstand, the people that commented and presumably others at least initially missed the joke cause you applied a ginger joke to general redheads. No blaming asdioh for it!No one cares dummy. The joke is still there.