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Wobbles

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Mogwai said:
Urgot has perhaps the most dominant laning in the game atm and frequently just wins based on that.
:D

I actually think that Pirate has a better laning game than Urgot. Not more dominant necessarily, but better, because without ever putting himself at risk he deprives you of important farm and exp. It's tougher to pick up kills like Urgot can, but at the same time he can participate in global ganks without ever leaving. So he'll pick up extra gold and assists like that, outdo his laning opponents even without taking that into account... I think he's a phenomenal character to take in top lane because he can even assist with dragon fights and still never stop farming and leveling.

As for Urgot though, now he actually resembles a late-game carry now. The scaling change on his Q isn't what did it, it's the change to his E; it's turned him into a monster.

These are the stats on my end-game Urgot

People look at me funny when I get the Atma's, but as I see it you're pretty much getting a bunch of what you need for end-game; more armor for tankability, more AD for your Q and autoattacks, and more crit.

And the page is lying, you actually have 60 flat armor pen which applies AFTER the 20% armor reduction from your level 5 Corrosive Charge. Meaning that if a champ has 75 armor or less and you bomb them, your Q will deal 390 true damage every 1.2 seconds, slightly faster if you have a golem buff or you buy a blue potion. And it will almost be 400 damage if you purchase a red potion. The bomb itself will also apply a 400 damage physical DoT and work from your flat arpen.

Also worth noting; because of the combo of AoE armor reduction and flat Arpen, Corki and Urgot make a phenomenal physical DPS combo.

Seriously who doesn't realize how good this is. The gold cost on that build is pretty cheap too, compared to most carry costs, and considering how easily Urgot can pick up kills... fffffff he's so good why don't you people play him.
 

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I want to expect better of you, but I know not to
so i've been jungling with armor pen marks (using ww, yi, mundo, udyr, etc.)

should i be using attack speed marks instead?
depends on the jungler IMO. AS leads to faster jungle clears and synergizes well with madred's bloodrazor. ArPen is stronger for ganking and synergizes well with more flat penetration/reduction. The only clear cut cases IMO are running ArPen on Yi, Olaf and Xin, everything else is sorta a toss up, but I like AS on all my others junglers.
 

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I want to expect better of you, but I know not to
:D

I actually think that Pirate has a better laning game than Urgot. Not more dominant necessarily, but better, because without ever putting himself at risk he deprives you of important farm and exp. It's tougher to pick up kills like Urgot can, but at the same time he can participate in global ganks without ever leaving. So he'll pick up extra gold and assists like that, outdo his laning opponents even without taking that into account... I think he's a phenomenal character to take in top lane because he can even assist with dragon fights and still never stop farming and leveling.

As for Urgot though, now he actually resembles a late-game carry now. The scaling change on his Q isn't what did it, it's the change to his E; it's turned him into a monster.

These are the stats on my end-game Urgot

People look at me funny when I get the Atma's, but as I see it you're pretty much getting a bunch of what you need for end-game; more armor for tankability, more AD for your Q and autoattacks, and more crit.

And the page is lying, you actually have 60 flat armor pen which applies AFTER the 20% armor reduction from your level 5 Corrosive Charge. Meaning that if a champ has 75 armor or less and you bomb them, your Q will deal 390 true damage every 1.2 seconds, slightly faster if you have a golem buff or you buy a blue potion. And it will almost be 400 damage if you purchase a red potion. The bomb itself will also apply a 400 damage physical DoT and work from your flat arpen.

Also worth noting; because of the combo of AoE armor reduction and flat Arpen, Corki and Urgot make a phenomenal physical DPS combo.

Seriously who doesn't realize how good this is. The gold cost on that build is pretty cheap too, compared to most carry costs, and considering how easily Urgot can pick up kills... fffffff he's so good why don't you people play him.
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Pirate is not even close to urgot. Pirate gets friggin' dumped on by dedicated pushers and pokers. Like, really really hard. He's only good vs. characters with inefficient early harass who are Melee as far as I can tell. I mean, hell, doesn't urgot just stick it in Pirate's butt in lane? I can't imagine even a W stacked Pirate being able to deal with urgot blowing his load all over him every time he goes for a last hit.

never played vs urgot solo before, how is the nid/kat matchup for him?
or even cho/morde for that matter
imo, a good urgot is pretty much unbeatable in lane. I don't really know his matchups, but he's pretty much a combination of Ezreal and Pantheon in lane with more tankiness O_o. Low mana, low CD, high physical damage nuke (which means he can start with 25 pen off just runes, derp) that can potentially have big *** range and lock on, ugh, he's really unfair IMO.
 

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his missile range is huge. I think it's right at or above Heimerdinger's missiles range. If Heimerdinger could lockon with his missiles, that would be completely ********.
 

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Mogwai: Well, I do find that Urgot beats Pirate 1v1 assuming he goes for too many last hits. If Pirate plays really passively he shouldn't die for sure. But then, it may also come down to our recent discussion regarding Urgot runes! Sometimes I end up running out of mana when I burn too much of it on my opponent and they don't die. Then if they have a heal or regen of some kind I often can't get the combos I need to burn it back down.

I tried swapping out my seals and glyphs for Mp5 and it was pretty legit always having mana to use in lane. I burned through my pool, yawned, and looked back to see I had enough for more harass and aggression, so I was able to actually sustain my harass through the healing and poking of a Lux+Taric lane. I think I would have similar effects in mid against champs with Doran's Shield because I'd be able to fight more and push them out to defeat their regen and armor. The only problem I had was that once I had my Tear I stopped getting the desired benefit from those runes, but then around level 7-13 I was much squishier than I was accustomed to and kept dying in dumb scenarios. So for now I'm gonna stick with my setup until it stops working :D

I also used to have issues landing E against certain champs but lately I've also been getting way better because I pay more attention to CS. And as a result, I pay attention to the enemy's CS and abuse their desire to get a last hits; as a result I often trade a few hundred of their HP for a little bit of gold.

Kennen w/ Doran's Shield was a pretty tough fight for me in mid though; his autoattack range lets him tag me with a mark followed by lightning harass, and if I'm chasing him with a lock-on past the creepwave he can pester me with shurikens and trade pretty evenly; if I eat a stun that wastes time for my lock-on while he builds damage, and the shield gives him more health and decent damage reduction. It was my first time fighting one though so maybe practice would let me work around that stuff.

You could easily be right about Pirate though, I only know that I see him have lots of success against a wide variety of champs. Maybe my Elo? I'll take your word for it since you have more experience than me (:
 

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Cow is hard

Like really frickin' hard

Maybe I should play more than one game with him before saying that.

But cow is really frickin' hard.
 

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I think a Xin Zhao with a Dorans or Cloth Armor + 5 pots could give Urgot some trouble in lane. Any time he approaches to shoot his poison you can charge him into your pop up. Just make sure to weave to avoid blades if you start backing off.
 

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Did the game get recorded Zac? I turned it on in time to see you chatting with the streamer while the post game window was up. You went positive. GJ.
 

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Did the game get recorded Zac? I turned it on in time to see you chatting with the streamer while the post game window was up. You went positive. GJ.
The game was epic. I got double kill bot first gank. then went straight to mid and got kill. Tiger op. Then i go top to gank rene, he ults, im lv5, we get each other to 50 health and he runs. Then i mindlessly farm minions and die to them >>

Late game i was tanking 2-3 people at below 100 health for 10 seconds. was ********. Clever carry yi all day lol.
 

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wish i could have an audience of several thousands :D

but i'm going to prove i'm a top player without duo queueing my way there with a smurf

not that i dislike you for doing so zac, it's just a personal challenge

the anivia you played was garbage so i've got a good shot lol
 

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wish i could have an audience of several thousands :D

but i'm going to prove i'm a top player without duo queueing my way there with a smurf

not that i dislike you for doing so zac, it's just a personal challenge
Only done it twice so far. Gonna solo queue Udyr until they patch him. Free wins cause I ward whole map and team doesn't die and we get free drakes.
 

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my team tourney match live

triple kill in level one fight

edit: over now 24 min match :(((((
 

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So I've won like... 9 malhazar games in a row...
Going from losing about 6 out of those 9 to 'LEGENDARY'...
and I never die with him.

Also, Shaco can jungle early. He will be slow.... but its still good.
With the recent mana regen changes, its actually a HUGE buff to him.

Regi route @ level 30 I used to have like... no mana to gank if I used a jitb to kill the other 3 wraiths... now I'm like 200 mana. HUGEEEE difference.
I would say Shaco can jungle early very easily, he just needs to set up jitb camps prior, get blue first, and avoid wraiths (unless he has smite).
 

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I feel so left out

people are pairing up and premading everywhere

I'm afraid if I try to join one of you guys I might screw up baaad lolll
 

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Good games tonight. Had fun. Did much better once we talked about team comp and made better decisions with bans. GJ.
 

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So I've won like... 9 malhazar games in a row...
Going from losing about 6 out of those 9 to 'LEGENDARY'...
and I never die with him.
that's how i feel. went 32/4/26 over 4 straight victories as anivia. i'm trying to escape hell by playing her exclusively. but then i got the same duo queue 2 games in a row and they banned anivia and fed. :(
 

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support shaco wins games.

1. Ionian Boots
2. Starks
3. Blue Buff (theirs, obviously)
4. Shurelya's / Brutalizer

jack in the boxes,
jack in the boxes everywhere,
high and low
in that bush
on that tower
soloing baron

works best when not jungling with a beefy melee team.
 

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:D

I actually think that Pirate has a better laning game than Urgot. Not more dominant necessarily, but better, because without ever putting himself at risk he deprives you of important farm and exp. It's tougher to pick up kills like Urgot can, but at the same time he can participate in global ganks without ever leaving. So he'll pick up extra gold and assists like that, outdo his laning opponents even without taking that into account... I think he's a phenomenal character to take in top lane because he can even assist with dragon fights and still never stop farming and leveling.

As for Urgot though, now he actually resembles a late-game carry now. The scaling change on his Q isn't what did it, it's the change to his E; it's turned him into a monster.

These are the stats on my end-game Urgot

People look at me funny when I get the Atma's, but as I see it you're pretty much getting a bunch of what you need for end-game; more armor for tankability, more AD for your Q and autoattacks, and more crit.

And the page is lying, you actually have 60 flat armor pen which applies AFTER the 20% armor reduction from your level 5 Corrosive Charge. Meaning that if a champ has 75 armor or less and you bomb them, your Q will deal 390 true damage every 1.2 seconds, slightly faster if you have a golem buff or you buy a blue potion. And it will almost be 400 damage if you purchase a red potion. The bomb itself will also apply a 400 damage physical DoT and work from your flat arpen.

Also worth noting; because of the combo of AoE armor reduction and flat Arpen, Corki and Urgot make a phenomenal physical DPS combo.

Seriously who doesn't realize how good this is. The gold cost on that build is pretty cheap too, compared to most carry costs, and considering how easily Urgot can pick up kills... fffffff he's so good why don't you people play him.
Pirate gets harassed too easily by most solo laners, he fulfills the teams carry spot and late game Gangplank is garbage compared to the likes of Ashe, Corki, Sivir, Anivia and any other top tier hard carry. While GP has more early game utility because of his global and deny, Urgot still dominates lanes a lot easier, and is actually useful throughout the game.

Your build is good, except Atma's IMO, for 800g extra you could get a Bloodthirster which is better in every way.

The reason Urgot isn't picked very much is the same reason GP isn't picked, there are better carries. His early game is amazing, but late game he just can't do what other hard carries can.

Anyways, pretty cool you play. I'll be on later today around 1-2pm cst if anyone here wants to play.

EDIT: Speaking of Urgot there is one streaming on clg right now lol. http://clgaming.net/live/5
Bigfatjiji is Richard Tracy.
 

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I want to expect better of you, but I know not to
my $0.02 on Wobble's build is that ghostblade is a waste and instead you should run manamune + brutalizer into banshee's + glacial shroud to get dat CDR (shroud also synergizes with manamune for moar deeps yo). iirc that's more or less what bruiseleet runs and that guy's Urgot is crazy grood.
 

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I signed us up for the scrim, bit I don't know if we'll actually make it. It starts at 8pm EST and I have a soccer game tonight so I'm out. If Dan, Zac, Shaya, PX and either Virg or Pak want to participate, they should get online then.

edit: is there a way to make someone a co-captain? We need to "check in" tonight but I dunno if I will be around to do the check-in and get our opponent for the scrim.
 

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hey Wobbles I like to play Urgot too I am going to steal your build okay???

Do you find that you run low on mana early game...? ...and do you just straight up zone people out when you hit level 2? How do you usually get your kills?

Good games tonight. Had fun. Did much better once we talked about team comp and made better decisions with bans. GJ.
i had fun too
 
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