I bought ez like last friday and played him a **** ton this weekend. My general build was wriggles, brutalizer, sheen, phage, zeal, triforce, ghostblade then situational. I enjoy his kiting. He's excellent at poking people down until he can out dps them for the kill. Arcane shift gives excellent maneuverability and is a solid nuke as well. I really like wriggle's in lane because you can basically outlane anyone with it. Once you get it you can play extremely aggressively and either repeatedly force your opponent back or kill them.
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Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!
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Just recently started to play LoL per the recommendation of some friends.
I got very excited last night when on my way to the Poke Center I saw that SWF had a LoL thread.
Can't really say I have a group of main champs yet. For a while I was spending my IP on the champs that looked cool to me, but I've recently started to save IP because I know I'll need to get runes pretty soon (up to level 15 playing on and off for a couple of weeks). I have the most fun playing champs like Olaf or Udyr, so I guess I'll ask this in regards to them.
Is there a realistic way to jungle without the proper runes/masteries in an effective/fast way?
I find that I just don't have a high enough damage output, or enough health at level 1 to clear a path without taking up essentially taking up the entire laning phase.
If I'm just doing normal ques as Udyr for example I make myself lane for the first few levels because it has been just as fast but safer than trying to jungle for the first few levels. Not until like level 4 do I go to grab blue/red to gank.
I would consider Udyr to be the prime candidate for my eventual main (no other champ gives a similar experience to playing Udyr), so I guess the question would be mostly directed towards him. I have tried Phoenix jungling, Tiger jungling, and Turtle jungling but nothing is a healthy combination of safe and reasonably quick in my experience at my level. I hope that I'm just doing things wrong, because I always dislike having to lane for those first few levels before I can actually take on the jungle safely.
I got very excited last night when on my way to the Poke Center I saw that SWF had a LoL thread.
Can't really say I have a group of main champs yet. For a while I was spending my IP on the champs that looked cool to me, but I've recently started to save IP because I know I'll need to get runes pretty soon (up to level 15 playing on and off for a couple of weeks). I have the most fun playing champs like Olaf or Udyr, so I guess I'll ask this in regards to them.
Is there a realistic way to jungle without the proper runes/masteries in an effective/fast way?
I find that I just don't have a high enough damage output, or enough health at level 1 to clear a path without taking up essentially taking up the entire laning phase.
If I'm just doing normal ques as Udyr for example I make myself lane for the first few levels because it has been just as fast but safer than trying to jungle for the first few levels. Not until like level 4 do I go to grab blue/red to gank.
I would consider Udyr to be the prime candidate for my eventual main (no other champ gives a similar experience to playing Udyr), so I guess the question would be mostly directed towards him. I have tried Phoenix jungling, Tiger jungling, and Turtle jungling but nothing is a healthy combination of safe and reasonably quick in my experience at my level. I hope that I'm just doing things wrong, because I always dislike having to lane for those first few levels before I can actually take on the jungle safely.
ook
Smash Lord
I bought Trundle yesterday, I've been going the ol' wriggles triforce build. Seems to work alright.
ghostblade is mostly a waste on Ezreal unless you took teleport/rally and need an escape mechanism
if you're only hitting for 200 with Q, you're doin' it wrong. Even with just sheen + brutalizer, Ezreal should be poking people for close to 300. I'm not saying that Ez never auto-attacks, I'm just saying that a very large part of his damage output comes from an ability that doesn't scale off of crit.
I used to run Omen + Ghostblade + Reverie into Triforce for maximum
, but the good players seem to do wriggles -> a little bit of tankiness -> triforce -> lotsa tankiness.Wriggle's first builds only work in lane if you're playing the type of game where laning lasts for 20 minutes. In real games you really don't want to delay your core that long.
The short answer to your problems is that most junglers just shouldn't jungle until level 20 with ok runes and masteries. At 20 you can get some flat armor seals and run 1/9/10 and get by with most legit junglers, but before that I just recommend jungling with WW, Nunu, or Fiddle only.
yea, this seems to be the most popular one and it's good IMO.
Well I don't build sheen nor brutalizer.
For the most part its rush Infinity Edge then Last Whisper for maximum love in Q and his auto attack.
For the most part its rush Infinity Edge then Last Whisper for maximum love in Q and his auto attack.
the reason I don't like that build is that it's a strictly late game build, whereas I think Ezreal's strongest section of the game is early-mid game. IE + LW is the basis for the strongest possible late game with pretty much all ranged carries, but with Ez I'm looking to abuse them well before I've farmed 6K gold.
_kSo_
Smash Master
wait, I thought you couldn't triple or quadra q in ranked? did that get changed? 0_o
he just means that he duos and then gets the pubbies to join into the vent convo which gives them enhanced communication.
Well, early game sheen is quite strong. And his early-mid game capabilities are one of the strongest. For the most part though, I'm constantly building damage on Ezreal - which coincides with his strong early game anyway. You get to 75 attack damage with BF + Pick before you'd get that bloodthirster.
And... bleh... still kinda disagree on mystic shot being his main damage... I just find it too hard to carry relying on it solely, even early/mid game. I've gone through hundreds of ranked games with Ezreal, trying soooo many build paths. Once any fight starts he needs to be auto attacking, lest a similarly farmed enemy carry will be getting a lot more damage in than you will.
And... bleh... still kinda disagree on mystic shot being his main damage... I just find it too hard to carry relying on it solely, even early/mid game. I've gone through hundreds of ranked games with Ezreal, trying soooo many build paths. Once any fight starts he needs to be auto attacking, lest a similarly farmed enemy carry will be getting a lot more damage in than you will.
_kSo_
Smash Master
ohh i c, ok yeah that's a great way to make communication better.
Yes, ask travis about what my Alistar did to his poor Jax last night. 
Irelia is no longer under the radar. I've been told she is a frequent ban now in higher elo matches. I'm pretty sure most people know how gross Karthus, Malz and Singed can be already too.
Trundle is still under the radar and is really very good. He jungles at high health, has CC reduction, a wall to protect/block/split and can ruin a tank or a carry in team fights. Swain is great in combination with more CC but can't carry on his own. I've started to hear complaints that Renekton is just too good in a 1v1, so he might be a good solo lane champ.
Hard disagree on Poppy though. If she gets fed, she can wreck faces, but its really hard to get fed with her. I don't think she is under the radar so much as she is incredibly difficult to reach her max potential.
Irelia is no longer under the radar. I've been told she is a frequent ban now in higher elo matches. I'm pretty sure most people know how gross Karthus, Malz and Singed can be already too.
Trundle is still under the radar and is really very good. He jungles at high health, has CC reduction, a wall to protect/block/split and can ruin a tank or a carry in team fights. Swain is great in combination with more CC but can't carry on his own. I've started to hear complaints that Renekton is just too good in a 1v1, so he might be a good solo lane champ.
Hard disagree on Poppy though. If she gets fed, she can wreck faces, but its really hard to get fed with her. I don't think she is under the radar so much as she is incredibly difficult to reach her max potential.
-Vocal-
Smash Hero
So I've decided to pick up Alistar since at my current elo a common ban roster will look like Rammus, Shen, Malphite, and Amumu (read: every tank I play). I know the cow is good, so I figure I'm only hurting myself if I don't learn him.
What's his skill order? What's his build?
What's his skill order? What's his build?
Cow's builds are incredibly flexible.
Reep advocates a Triforce based build that he describes as Tanky DPS
Last time I saw jiji dominate with cow he went DFG -> deathcap (AP)
I've also seen Aura-whoring tanks (SS/Frozen Heart + Aegis)
Because of his ult, if you're just good about timing the ult, you can fullfill the tanking role pretty much regardless of items, so everyone does something different based on what they feel comfortable with.
Reep advocates a Triforce based build that he describes as Tanky DPS
Last time I saw jiji dominate with cow he went DFG -> deathcap (AP)
I've also seen Aura-whoring tanks (SS/Frozen Heart + Aegis)
Because of his ult, if you're just good about timing the ult, you can fullfill the tanking role pretty much regardless of items, so everyone does something different based on what they feel comfortable with.
DUB
Smash Lord
FIRST PENTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Juno McGrath
Smash Hero
Rofl good **** will.
This was the answer I was kind of expecting but hoping to not receive
Appreciate the response though.
Hopefully I can get some more playtime in to unlock the tier 3 runes quickly. Can't wait to start playing my favorites the way they should be played/I want to play them.
I mean, you can jungle with udyr without any runes and just smite mastery, but it's so very slow and inefficient. iirc, you start cloth + hp pots and the do wraiths (start by smiting the big one) -> wolves -> small gols (smite should come up for this) -> back for another cloth armor and as many pots as you can -> wolves again -> blue -> wraiths -> red -> gols, with RWRWRE for your first 6 skills (hence slow awful gank because you need the turtle to not slow down in the jungle).This was the answer I was kind of expecting but hoping to not receive
Appreciate the response though.
Hopefully I can get some more playtime in to unlock the tier 3 runes quickly. Can't wait to start playing my favorites the way they should be played/I want to play them.
DUB
Smash Lord
Juno McGrath
Smash Hero
DUB
Smash Lord
moooooooo. we'll do it soon for sure
waitwaitwait, are you guys saying that YoshiIsCool plays LoL? or are you talking about a different moo? because YoshiIsCool is the man and I <3 him.
YoshiIsCool is the coolest dude.
DUB
Smash Lord
Pretty sure we got a different moo.
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So Prom queen annie dropped and I immediately bought it....Tuxedo tibbers looks more like thug tibbers...lol
also whats the best way to get a super high amount of AP
i hit like 700 the other day and I had
Sorc -> Mejais with a bunch of stacks -> AA -> Rylais -> Death Cap...by that time the game was over but I think if i would have got a rod of agest after Mejais and before AA that would've put me in the 1000 area?
also whats the best way to get a super high amount of AP
i hit like 700 the other day and I had
Sorc -> Mejais with a bunch of stacks -> AA -> Rylais -> Death Cap...by that time the game was over but I think if i would have got a rod of agest after Mejais and before AA that would've put me in the 1000 area?
damn, that sucks. moo was the man, his yoshi combos were so fly.
way to highest AP is 5 Archangels + Deathcap, but that's a stupid
build.
I can help you! I was just like you back when I started. First champ was Garen, second was Udyr. I had so much fun with Udyr but was sad cause I couldn't jungle right with him. I didn't have any runes nor enough masteries.This was the answer I was kind of expecting but hoping to not receive
Appreciate the response though.
Hopefully I can get some more playtime in to unlock the tier 3 runes quickly. Can't wait to start playing my favorites the way they should be played/I want to play them.
What level are you right now?
Clever
Smash Journeyman
Just started ranked games on my smurf. Willing to duo que if someone wants to play. Get some rating =D
Playing pirate 100%!
Add n00bfluff in game, just started a game.
Straming @ http://www.own3d.tv/live/1449
Playing pirate 100%!
Add n00bfluff in game, just started a game.
Straming @ http://www.own3d.tv/live/1449
Ugh, I really want to but my internet is **** right now
you gotta be sure to troll especially hard in some of your early games so that your smurf doesn't climb too fast. I remember being like 1500 after 4 or 5 games and then freaked out and trolled really hard to keep my elo low enough that I wouldn't have to tryhard all the time on my smurf
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@I_Am_Plum
Assuming you are at least level 9, try this build. Took me a while to get right cause you have to manage your mana perfectly
For masteries go 0/X/9: putting 3 in Perseverence, 4 in Awareness, and 1 in Utility Mastery. Put any remaining in Defense Tree, Prioritize Armor then Strength of Spirit then Defensive Mastery and Harden Skin.
You should be at 2/3 to 3/4 health or more at this point. Go gank bot or mid. Use Ghost if you know you are going to get a kill, otherwise save it. If you can't gank, you can back and buy a Heart of Gold, or if you want Boots and some wards.
Assuming you are at least level 9, try this build. Took me a while to get right cause you have to manage your mana perfectly
For masteries go 0/X/9: putting 3 in Perseverence, 4 in Awareness, and 1 in Utility Mastery. Put any remaining in Defense Tree, Prioritize Armor then Strength of Spirit then Defensive Mastery and Harden Skin.
First trip, Lv3, finish 3:25- Start by taking Cloth armor and 3 Health Pots.
- Use Tiger stance at fountain.
- Goto wolf camp: Hit the big wolf first, wait for 2 complete attacks then activate Tiger. Use 1 more Tiger on a smaller wolf. Use 1 pot while fighting wolves.
- Goto wraith camp: Smite big wraith, level up Turtle, and use it right away! Don't use any more abilities. Use 1 pot while fighting wraiths.
- Goto double golem camp: Use Tiger, wait as long as possible before your Monkey Agility runs out then use Turtle. Again wait and then use Tiger. Use 1 pot while fighting golems. Back after camp
Second trip, Lv 5, finish around 7:00- Buy Rejuvenation Bead and 5 Health Pots.
- Use Tiger stance at fountain.
- Goto blue golem: Hit big golem first, wait for 2 complete attacks, then activate Tiger. Follow up with Turtle then Tiger then one more Turtle. Smite blue golem when he hits 500ish hp. Use 1 Health pot at this camp.
- Goto wolves: Tiger > Turtle > Tiger > Turtle. Use 1 Health Pot.
- Goto wraiths: Tiger > Turtle > Tiger > Turtle. Use 1 Health Pot.
- Goto red lizard: Tiger > Turtle > Tiger > Turtle > Tiger > Turtle. Smite when around 5:20. Use 1 Health Pot.
- Goto double golems: Tiger > Turtle > Tiger > Turtle (or skip the send tiger and add in another turtle if low on health). Use 1 Health pot.
You should be at 2/3 to 3/4 health or more at this point. Go gank bot or mid. Use Ghost if you know you are going to get a kill, otherwise save it. If you can't gank, you can back and buy a Heart of Gold, or if you want Boots and some wards.
I'm only level 15 right now, but hoping to get another level in tonight.
UTDZac, I've seen you post on the LoL forums and I knew I knew the name from somewhere. Didn't realize it was SWF
EDIT:
I need to refresh pages before I post... because there is a wall of awesome with my name on it.
Thank you so much for helping me. When I was trying to figure out a safe enough run I would start Wolves > Wraiths but clear out the Wraiths. It was probably clearing them out that left me with not enough health to do the Golems. I'll give that route some runs and see how it improves things.
Ah cool. I changed my mind slightly about masteries. Put 2 points in Utility Mastery then until you reach level 19.
john!
Smash Hero
so i've been jungling with armor pen marks (using ww, yi, mundo, udyr, etc.)
should i be using attack speed marks instead?
should i be using attack speed marks instead?
Imo for Udyr, yes.