Gigabots Manfia - GAME [JUMB]OVER. Who got the Gigatron?

[John2k4]

It's one thing to Skype someone and say "Hey, game started; come post stuff."

It's another to discuss things like JD seems to have.

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Even discussing NK and NAs over Skype is a bad thing though! D:

 

[Jdietz43]

Like I said: I'm fully aware of that now. Raziek had a whole talk about it, and was actually supposed to be issuing a statement I think. But there's no difference whether I say it or he does really.

It was a rookie mistake thinking it wasn't important giving out catch up info, but there's nothing to be done of it now beyond observe the rules and ask questions about them from now on.

 

[Gova]

It's written clearly in the rules that no outside communication is allowed unless explicitly stated in your Role PM.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

RR says it isn't salt but it really is because he's pinning our victory solely on town playing bad and not what we did to cause town to make these mistakes.

Never said solely, but I think the influence town had was enough to make MVP not justifiable.

I do think Biceps played very well, but town assisted in their own demise.

Fact: Inferno wouldn't have been able to be quick lynched if Ryker/Raz didn't push him to L-1

Fact: Inferno remain very noncommittal and was put to L-1 by Deitz, a newer player no understanding why this is bad, then Vegito quick hammered over his own personal philosophy and personal vendetta with Inferno.

Town assisted pretty hard.

Fact: Bardull wouldn't have been lynched if Ryker/Raz didn't push him to L-1

Fact: After he tried to immitate Swiss with outing what he thought were PRs, not even remotely understanding the mindset, then proceeded to do his usual piss everyone off in a mafia game so no one cares about his alignment and wants him out of the game.

Town assisted.

Fact: Gorf wouldn't have been able to self hammer if Biceps didn't push him to L-1 as pressure began to disappear

Fact: Deitz's claim made this happen, in addition to to Gorf playing lazy as all hell riding out his idgaf attitude, which you can only do for so long before it catches up to him. And it did.

Deitz had outside knowledge to push like he did, you can't ignore this. Was he put at L-1 by Biceps, in a way yes, but still should have never lynched himself like Ran and Bardull did. Unless you can tell me why that is pro town in those situations over just giving up, horrifically anti-town.

Stop blatently ignoring the hand we played in these so-called "town mishaps" because we didn't work for this victory just to have it considered "bad town play"

At the same time, you cannot ignore town playing bad.

Seriously just because your faction wins, doesn't mean it was solely because of them. You opponents can make dumb mistakes and errors that assist in making it happen.

And that is exactly what happened here.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

I was SO salty about the QL. Like yeah I messed up early but I could've gotten out of it and hopefully moved people in the right direction. Probably not D1 because I would've went for either Jdeitz or Bardull. What made me the most mad was JDeitz not only lying about a flavor cop claim (which he somehow interpreted from Meow's picks. please explain this Jdeitz) to try and lynch Gorf but how he attempted to clear Meow. I raged so hard. With those 2 and Bardull around I was so mad that I really wondered how I got quick lynched.

Sorry about that dude. Bros?

Did you learn anything from this game regarding your own play?

What were your strengths? Your weaknesses?

What will you improve on?

 

[Jdietz43]

It's written clearly in the rules that no outside communication is allowed unless explicitly stated in your Role PM.

Washed specifically asked me to go get her since she wasn't posting. She asked me gamestate questions: I gave answers. I thought it was being helpful, while the outside communication was referring to "don't blatantly cheat by blabbing your role to everyone". I feel bad about not understanding that now, but there's nothing I can do besides say sorry, be thankful it didn't ruin the game enitrely, and hope people still let me play mafia.

 

[JTB]

I don't think people care about the gamestate **** but rather you correctly deducing gorf is jailer on the most obscure crumb of all time and pushing his lynch based off that

 

[Jdietz43]

Nothing obscure about it, Meow only posted two images in the game, both of which had nothing to do with either super obvious joking or her own personal quirks. The first one made me suspicious when it matched with John's claim, the second was more blatant and I decided to be "an hero" and follow it after figuring out who the character was.

Imagine if you had a friend you were playing a mafia game with who you're used to constantly making **** jokes, but then one day instead during a claim they hit you and scream out: "THE BOX IS THE ONE YOU NEED", and don't explain themselves. You're going to start to wonder what the hell that was about, moreso when they do it again.

 

[Jdietz43]

I deff think JD/Meow should try a newbie before playing other games first.

SF scum lost because of a newb being over... newb town on purpose lol.

Sorry bro. You got the potential. But I'd rather see you play a newb first and see how you do.

I've been mulling this comment and maybe you're right. I don't think I've done too awful of a job either here or in SF, but a newb game might help me sort things out so I'm not the one everyone looks at for mussing up a game for being inexperienced. I don't want to be that guy everyone hates or policy lynches just because I'm a nuisance. I think I'll sign up for one and see if I can't be coached a little.

/deflated

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Never said solely, but I think the influence town had was enough to make MVP not justifiable.

I do think Biceps played very well, but town assisted in their own demise.

That would imply very strongly that what me and EE (and murder for D1/2) did was of little impact to the game. That if you took us out of the formula, the same ends would be reached because town was so bad it just blew up in its own face.

But that's flat out not accurate. In the slightest. Those two slots MADE this game. Everything that happened, happened because of stuff we put forward. This bull**** about no MVP flat out won't fly.

Fact: Inferno remain very noncommittal and was put to L-1 by Deitz, a newer player no understanding why this is bad, then Vegito quick hammered over his own personal philosophy and personal vendetta with Inferno.

Fact: In a 14 man game you need 8 people to lynch on D1. You're ignoring the fact that SIX OTHER VOTES were gathered, and there is absolutely no one you can attribute that to other than Muderbush.

Town assisted pretty hard.

Assisted Murderbush. As he controlled them into doing dumb ****.

Fact: After he tried to immitate Swiss with outing what he thought were PRs, not even remotely understanding the mindset, then proceeded to do his usual piss everyone off in a mafia game so no one cares about his alignment and wants him out of the game.

Town assisted.

You're forgetting one, super tiny, barely noticeable little part.

Muderbush. COUNTER CLAIMED. And THEN used that to push his lynch. No way in hell would have Bardull ever been successfully lynched on the ground that 'he's a ****'.

Fact: Deitz's claim made this happen, in addition to to Gorf playing lazy as all hell riding out his idgaf attitude, which you can only do for so long before it catches up to him. And it did.

Deitz had outside knowledge to push like he did, you can't ignore this. Was he put at L-1 by Biceps, in a way yes, but still should have never lynched himself like Ran and Bardull did. Unless you can tell me why that is pro town in those situations over just giving up, horrifically anti-town.

He did make this claim happen, and he did it without any of our help. But should we be punished for HIS mistake? When we've worked our ***** off in literally every other facet of the game besides that (and considering we were the ones who got GORF TO SELF HAMMER, I guess we even had a pretty big role in this one too) I hardly think thats enough to take away anything from us.

At the same time, you cannot ignore town playing bad.

Seriously just because your faction wins, doesn't mean it was solely because of them. You opponents can make dumb mistakes and errors that assist in making it happen.

And that is exactly what happened here.

Except its not what happened here. At all. Every single day of the game, if you look at who the biggest contributor to what went down you'll find a member of the scum team. We RAN this game. WE were the ones who put town into positions to play bad in the first place.

So yeah, go ahead and keep putting posts like these up and I'll keep knocking them back down since they're about as persuasive as your mafia cases.

 

[Jdietz43]

Idk...

What do you guys think? Do I suck all the nards, or will I just get it in a game or two and don't need to worry about it. It's only fair I ask since you're all the people who are going to end up playing with me down the road.

EDIT: Scratch the pity party: I'm just going to sign up for the newb game and own the s*** out of it for the experience. Because that's what heroes do! *simpsons quote awaaay*

 

[Jupiter's Biceps]

Red Ryu you do this same **** almost every single time you lose a game as town. And every time, you try to say it's not salt.

I don't know what's so hard for you to grasp about the fact that if town didn't make mistakes, SCUM WOULD NEVER WIN ANY GAMES. EVER. That's the whole ****ing objective in scum. You craft the game and persuade people to make mistakes, craft a town that makes mistakes, whatever. And after the dawn of D3 our slot hit one wall after another where we had to find a new mistake for the town to make, and we got it to happen. And we did, successfully, over and over again.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

JD we had you as a town enough read to send you an invention designed to not only protect you, but give you a kill as well (though we did hope you'd use the kill on a townie)

You'll be fine

 

[Kataefi]

GGs! I actually thought biceps played it really well. The end game was dirty! I've never seen a scummie not hammer and then decide to play off 2 townies like that. If only this went on for longer...

Laundry this game was cool. I like the scumventor/popgun combo... (might have to steal this concept)

One thing i noticed is that you became more of a player than a mod during Bardull's lynch. It was easy to get a very clearcut read from your intervention which practically confirmed him as Town. At that point every townie should have stopped and moved elsewhere. I think in situations like that they should be dealt with in a way where the mod doesn't contribute to other players' reads.

 

[Evil Eye]

On a far more critical note than anything else in the thread:

Can we edit out the D8 part of the title and change it to "Game [Jumb]Over"

because that would be hilarious

 

[Swiss]

Anyone wanna read a QT with Orbo's thoughts in it? He was writing down what he thought and why.

Funny ****

 

[Jim Morrison]

That was fun to read. Did not expect Evil-lyfe to be scum. They got Xonar so hard on D7, but Xonar maybe digged himself in with all the claims.


MVP goes to me.

 

[Jdietz43]

JD we had you as a town enough read to send you an invention designed to not only protect you, but give you a kill as well (though we did hope you'd use the kill on a townie)

You'll be fine

Thanks lol, I was having a lovely downer party last night for an hour or so.

On a far more critical note than anything else in the thread:

Can we edit out the D8 part of the title and change it to "Game [Jumb]Over"

because that would be hilarious

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_OemNp6hgX4

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Lol, no he still def. would have been. I think you guys are overestimating the amount and nature of chatter we actually had. We're talking "Who died last night" not "Here's everything I'm thinking and why"

I would have still followed the crumb to Gorf, and Jupiter still deserves MVP. The only thing that changed was how hesitant I would or wouldn't have been the next day to pursue Meow lynch, but Ryu was the play instead.

Pretty much no one, especially me, believes you followed that crumb with so much precision.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

That would imply very strongly that what me and EE (and murder for D1/2) did was of little impact to the game. That if you took us out of the formula, the same ends would be reached because town was so bad it just blew up in its own face.

But that's flat out not accurate. In the slightest. Those two slots MADE this game. Everything that happened, happened because of stuff we put forward. This bull**** about no MVP flat out won't fly.

Did you have an influence in this game?

Yes, yes you did.

Did town's horribly deleterious play, play a part, yes yes it did.

That's why it is justifiable.

Fact: In a 14 man game you need 8 people to lynch on D1. You're ignoring the fact that SIX OTHER VOTES were gathered, and there is absolutely no one you can attribute that to other than Muderbush.

Assisted Murderbush. As he controlled them into doing dumb ****.

That was Inferno putting himself there more than Bush.

Bush voted him at points, but didn't force town to look at something Inferno did himself. Town saw his scummy action on their own and pushed. Bush also had zero influence in Deitz putting him to L-1 and Vegito pulling a selfish quick hammer.

So no, in the end, town did something stupid far more than mafia playing puppeteer here.

You're forgetting one, super tiny, barely noticeable little part.

Muderbush. COUNTER CLAIMED. And THEN used that to push his lynch. No way in hell would have Bardull ever been successfully lynched on the ground that 'he's a ****'.

I would, at the end there is no way he should have been lynched. Instead there was trolling at him for playing so bad. I even talked to WL about mod punishment for the players deliberately breaking rule 1 there.

And yes, at the end. People just wanted him gone regardless of alignment.

He did make this claim happen, and he did it without any of our help. But should we be punished for HIS mistake? When we've worked our ***** off in literally every other facet of the game besides that (and considering we were the ones who got GORF TO SELF HAMMER, I guess we even had a pretty big role in this one too) I hardly think thats enough to take away anything from us.

When town throws the game, then yes you don't get it then.

Face it, Deitz should have never had that info, he got it from doing something modkillable. That play influenced people going at Gorf, the only reason I unvoted is when Gorf got off his lazy *** and did something about it.

It's cool you made him hammer himself, but that horribly anti-town and plenty of the higher skilled players would never do that. He gave up and let people lynch him, that's not playing to his win con.

Except its not what happened here. At all. Every single day of the game, if you look at who the biggest contributor to what went down you'll find a member of the scum team. We RAN this game. WE were the ones who put town into positions to play bad in the first place.

Except they didn't force people to make the dumb moves they did?

Did they put a loaded gun and force people to vote themselves? 3 times as well when they gave up and threw in the towel? No they didn't.

Did they force Deitz to give info from another player he got outside of the game and keep pushing it when Gorf refused to do anything the first 3 days that were noteworthy? No they didn't.

You influenced, but town also needless put themselves in a lot of these positions, and very hastily I might had.

So yeah, go ahead and keep putting posts like these up and I'll keep knocking them back down since they're about as persuasive as your mafia cases.

This has no bearing on what I'm saying here.

Red Ryu you do this same **** almost every single time you lose a game as town. And every time, you try to say it's not salt.

I don't know what's so hard for you to grasp about the fact that if town didn't make mistakes, SCUM WOULD NEVER WIN ANY GAMES. EVER. That's the whole ****ing objective in scum. You craft the game and persuade people to make mistakes, craft a town that makes mistakes, whatever. And after the dawn of D3 our slot hit one wall after another where we had to find a new mistake for the town to make, and we got it to happen. And we did, successfully, over and over again.

This screams of personal bias from Pulp Fiction.

I know I get salty, I fully admit that I get super salty after loses. But no, I don't let that cloud me from objective decision when I can.

Face it, a lot of moves town did we're terrible, really bad like newbie mistakes. QLing before a claim? Outing PRs and then proceeding to piss everyone off? The claim situation on D3? The quick votes in the potential lylo on D4 before I even commented on that case?

That's not good town play.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Look, in the end, I don't mean anything personal. And I'll accept whatever WL decides to give out, I am put off you even suggest I'm so salty I think No MvP should happen each game.

But when I see town throw in the towel like Ran, Gorf, and Bardull did. Vegito making his personal QL, and other events.

I can't see an MvP justified here when town did all of that.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I agree that the play from other factions wasn't up to par (I didn't read the game at all (which REALLY changed my views in the final day)) and town overall was pretty weak.

But Jupiter still pulled it off. It might be largely due to Orboknown's JupiterBoner but Jupiter did play well enough to deserve that boner Orboknown had for him I guess.

Personally I'd give no MVP BUTTSALTHURHUR but I'm not opposed to Jupiter at all.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I agree that the play from other factions wasn't up to par (I didn't read the game at all (which REALLY changed my views in the final day)) and town overall was pretty weak.

But Jupiter still pulled it off. It might be largely due to Orboknown's JupiterBoner but Jupiter did play well enough to deserve that boner Orboknown had for him I guess.

Personally I'd give no MVP BUTTSALTHURHUR but I'm not opposed to Jupiter at all.

I cosign this.

 

[Swiss]

You know the hardest thing about getting MvP on DGames?

It isn't actually trashing people in game, it's about winning that post-game argument to get the MvP.

Unless you pin every single scum/townPR and single handedly win for your faction while the rest of your team fail all day 'erry day post game you'll face an uphill struggle.

RR doesn't ever want people to get MvP since he's knows he'll never get one himself, amirite?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I personally don't play for it but, it could be a dream someday.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Look, in the end, I don't mean anything personal. And I'll accept whatever WL decides to give out, I am put off you even suggest I'm so salty I think No MvP should happen each game.

But when I see town throw in the towel like Ran, Gorf, and Bardull did. Vegito making his personal QL, and other events.

I can't see an MvP justified here when town did all of that.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

On a far more critical note than anything else in the thread:

Can we edit out the D8 part of the title and change it to "Game [Jumb]Over"

because that would be hilarious

on it

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[#HBC | Laundry]

The decision on who would get MVP is really gogdamn obvious. It's just a matter of whether I give it out or not. I'm pretty sure I will--turning a situation in which I thought you were damned by the fact that Xonar was practically untouchable into a victory in LyLo is MVP-worthy in my eyes. I just want to double-check with Seph and see what he thinks.

 

[Evil Eye]

I'd like to point out here and now, by the way, that the moment Xonar actually started doing things I had my eye on him. Because my analysis was that lurking his *** through a shaky D3 like he did then go gangbusters D4 would be exactly what he'd do as indy. And then it happened.

Glyph thought he was town (I think?) but I was pretty meh from the get-go. I just felt that regardless of alignment Xonar was clearly more useful eating the final bullet to win the game when it comes down to it. Was thinkin abductor might not return the abductees there, heh.

Anyway, before too long I felt it was just obvious, but let Xonar keep rocking the long con he was going for because. Well. Good things were coming of it, haha. Then N6 came and we reread to find the indy a little, and yeah the suspicions stood tall just fine. And so we shot 'im. Didn't work. But it got converted to profit I guess.

Wanted to clear that up as I've seen the comment that we shot Xonar because we thought he was town get thrown around, which could never possibly be farther from the truth. He was trying to long con us, an we were long conning him. It was a really interesting chemistry. I assume this is what zonie wanted to talk about in postgame before, or somethin. but there you have it

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Washed, could you post the Role PMs, please.

 

[Inferno3044]

Doing shoutouts:

1. Inferno - Meh. You learned some things like to take harder stances. I definitely tried to take more neutral stances D1 and then evaluate during the night.
2. Jupiter's Biceps (Glyfe/EE) - Amazing performance. You had so many nice moves of yours (eg. Detective Lynch, both lylo situations, Ran lynch). Very impressed.
3. MeowMonster - Your slot really didn't do anything or care about anything. Don't really have anything more to say.
4. Murderbush (Ryker/Raziek) - I was so mad with how much early game control you had. So many people sheeped onto you. You did your job well. Lol @ you being NK'd instead of going out with a bang. Did Raziek even post?
5. John2k4 - Honestly can't remember much of what you did. You played fairly passive, got abducted, then died lol.
6. Super Vegito (Ran/Zen) - Besides the QL I didn't think you played bad. I knew who was scum after I died (asked WL because it didn't matter) and I was like "NO! Your scum picks are right but you have a mafia and an indy on your ***." You shouldn't have given up.
7. Detective Sherlock Hound (Joey/RR) - You definitely tried to take some charge which I liked, but you need to take that somewhere. Also you need town on every lynch so you can't take away scum's credit.
8. Bardull - I just remember you looking kinda scummy. Nothing else really.
9. Bananalama (Kataefi/Kuz) - I honestly can't remember much of the things you did because scum had so much control. After D1 you definitely showed more town vibes to me. Don't know why but you following Ryker like that made me think your vote was sheepish.
10. JTB - Not sure what to exactly think. I can't say you played bad, but I thought you had a couple of fairly scummy votes (maybe it's because I knew you were scum after I died lol). I thought you were gonna die after you claimed and then you had some really good posts. So I guess you did pretty good.
11. Orboknown - Be more active and try to do more. You basically were as passive as I was D1 except Ryker doesn't have a mafia vendetta against you.
12. Gorf - I can't believe your lynch got pushed through. I really didn't see anything condemning but Jdeitz kept pushing for the dumbest reasons
13. Xonar - How you came into a slot that literally had NO posts D1 and D2, you being lazy D3, and then you having a strong word D4 and on I will never know. Honestly I just think you got overpowered by JB. You played very well.
14. Jdietz - So many things that made me rage involving you. Let's start with this. NEVER make an argument solely based on flavor. Although your OMGUS on JB would've been correct it's a poor argument that can't carry momentum or get anyone to vote with you. Next, NEVER clear someone based off of meta. Especially with dumb things like what you said. You literally had some suspicion of her because she posted a picture of robin. I was so angry. Anything else has probably been stated already.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I dunno if he posted, having multiple heads posting is bad more often than good. Swiss and Laundry are about the only people I trust not to do something that compromises the hydra.

He was, however, with me throughout it except when he wasn't on when I made the executive decision to make sure Bardull died.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

As for JDietz...The second I saw him claim all of that, I wanted to punch him in the ****. I stayed my hand and instead sent him a "reminder" that he cannot talk to people outside of the game, since I wasn't 100% sure if he had been breaking rules. A fluke wasn't out of the question, even if it was highly, highly unlikely. He immediately responded with an "OMG I GOT HER ROLE RIGHT?"

Here is, apparently, what happened: I gave JDietz the privilege to talk to MeowMonster only to tell her when the game reopened. Her activity sucked and I don't have a means of contacting her outside of a site she only visited to play this game. JDietz did, so I thought I could trust him to just give her a heads-up and leave it at that. Unfortunately, they did it. From the story I got from Ruy, MeowMonster apparently asked for help in the game and let her role drop in these conversations. Had it been left at that, I don't think this would've been nearly such a big problem, but the fact that, despite having information he was not supposed to have, he went in and used it bothers me. Turning around and lying to me later only made it worse.

So, I'm blacklisting JDietz. Had he not lied to me, I don't think it would've come to this, but he did it in an attempt to avoid retribution, hoping I wouldn't catch on. That shows he knew the **** he was doing was wrong, but he did it anyway.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Washed, could you post the Role PMs, please.

I've got class in ten minutes, but afterwards, sure.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I've rethinked it a bit.

I support EE/Glyph MVP.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Red Ryu you do this same **** almost every single time you lose a game as town. And every time, you try to say it's not salt.

I don't know what's so hard for you to grasp about the fact that if town didn't make mistakes, SCUM WOULD NEVER WIN ANY GAMES. EVER. That's the whole ****ing objective in scum. You craft the game and persuade people to make mistakes, craft a town that makes mistakes, whatever. And after the dawn of D3 our slot hit one wall after another where we had to find a new mistake for the town to make, and we got it to happen. And we did, successfully, over and over again.

Ding! Most everyone had Biceps and JTB on their scumlists during the early phases but Murderbush pulled his weight and got other slots lynched over them. Once Murderbush died, Biceps went hero-mode and wrecked everyone's face, with a little help from bad townies making mistakes.

I mean, had Soup not been so much of an idiot in UTrick'd, Stew never would've won.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I don't get what a "Calvin" is supposed to be

You ever read Calvin and Hobbes? That's pretty much exactly how the role worked.

hey washed, did my item actually save me from John or did his night action just do nothing?

His night action never did anything in the first place, but his shot probably would've popped your armor. Or something.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

basically we thought we were freer to talk more than we were, so when she asked questions about gamestate to catch up i was freely answering them. It gave me a pretty good feel for her alignment, but we were smart enough not to be discussing roles etc.

that's not what i heard

 

[Inferno3044]

I dunno if he posted, having multiple heads posting is bad more often than good. Swiss and Laundry are about the only people I trust not to do something that compromises the hydra.

He was, however, with me throughout it except when he wasn't on when I made the executive decision to make sure Bardull died.

Gotcha. I gotta admit you played your role very well even if you decided to get rid of me off of you not liking me (no idea if that's why).

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Laundry, your concepts were nice and your roles were decent.

Next time you work so hard on a setup, follow through all the way. I know you're a busy college kid. I know the feeling. But that doesn't excuse your blatant lack of setup padding and flavor. Yeah, flavor isn't important, but with something like Gigabots I'd hoped you as a mod would make it so. Even if its minimal, give me something to look forward to that resembles the flavor of the game I signed up for. As for the padding, your character matchups with roles was abysmal. Garth's dad for a safe claim? Not even one giga-bot pilot as a safe claim? Heck, if we had mass claimed D1 we would probably have been able to line up all 4 scum lynches in a row just based on obscure characters. That's just poor design and something you really should have come through on. Modding was fine other than that.

/sagenod

this is something i'm working on improving for the next game. I've already started planning with the actual flavor in my head and I will be prepared for it.