Gigabots Manfia - GAME [JUMB]OVER. Who got the Gigatron?

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Just saying Washed.

Sage means you're replying but don't want it to be bumped.

 

[Inferno3044]

Oh I almost forgot. Shoutouts to WL for giving me a reason to watch Gigabots. After I died, I decided to watch Gigabots to know what this was and I was very entertained.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I mean, had Soup not been so much of an idiot in UTrick'd, Stew never would've won.

>Be cop mason
>Think of some stupid idiot master plan
>Investigate Joey n1
>get inno
>Claim neighbor d2
>Get outed as real cop somehow because I couldn't think through my neighbor claim
>Mason WL
>Get redirected to Roxy after investigating WL
>Get guilty
>Lynch WL
>He flips town
>INVESTIGATE MYSELF THE FOLLOWING NIGHT
>GET GUILTY
>GUYS I MUST BE INSANE COP LYNCH JOEY
>JOEY CLAIMS MASON WITH J
>GET SELF MODKILLED AFTER TALKING IN THE SKYPE GROUP
>FLIP SANE COP
>SOLD IS A REDIRECTING BOMB
>WL COMES BACK AS TOWN BECAUSE HE WAS DRY BONES OR SOMETHING
>LYNCH SOLD
>HE'S BOMB
>SOLD BLOWS UP
>GG MAFIA WINS

REPRESSED
MEMORIES

 

[Jim Morrison]

>Be cop mason
>Think of some stupid idiot master plan
>Investigate Joey n1
>get inno
>Claim neighbor d2
>Get outed as real cop somehow because I couldn't think through my neighbor claim
>Mason WL
>Get redirected to Roxy after investigating WL
>Get guilty
>Lynch WL
>He flips town
>INVESTIGATE MYSELF THE FOLLOWING NIGHT
>GET GUILTY
>GUYS I MUST BE INSANE COP LYNCH JOEY
>JOEY CLAIMS MASON WITH J
>GET SELF MODKILLED AFTER TALKING IN THE SKYPE GROUP
>FLIP SANE COP
>SOLD IS A REDIRECTING BOMB
>WL COMES BACK AS TOWN BECAUSE HE WAS DRY BONES OR SOMETHING
>LYNCH SOLD
>HE'S BOMB
>SOLD BLOWS UP
>GG MAFIA WINS

REPRESSED
MEMORIES

Wow this sounds like it was a blast

 

[Dooms]

Since it's too late to vote for MvP, I'll just say sorry to town for playing horribly and sorry to Ryu for getting us lynched based on a bunch of stupid **** that I should have done better and a bunch of hydra stuff. Good job pinning Jupiter as scum btw xD. Fun game~!

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

As for JDietz...The second I saw him claim all of that, I wanted to punch him in the ****. I stayed my hand and instead sent him a "reminder" that he cannot talk to people outside of the game, since I wasn't 100% sure if he had been breaking rules. A fluke wasn't out of the question, even if it was highly, highly unlikely. He immediately responded with an "OMG I GOT HER ROLE RIGHT?"

Here is, apparently, what happened: I gave JDietz the privilege to talk to MeowMonster only to tell her when the game reopened. Her activity sucked and I don't have a means of contacting her outside of a site she only visited to play this game. JDietz did, so I thought I could trust him to just give her a heads-up and leave it at that. Unfortunately, they did it. From the story I got from Ruy, MeowMonster apparently asked for help in the game and let her role drop in these conversations. Had it been left at that, I don't think this would've been nearly such a big problem, but the fact that, despite having information he was not supposed to have, he went in and used it bothers me. Turning around and lying to me later only made it worse.

So, I'm blacklisting JDietz. Had he not lied to me, I don't think it would've come to this, but he did it in an attempt to avoid retribution, hoping I wouldn't catch on. That shows he knew the **** he was doing was wrong, but he did it anyway.

Really huh?

~

Deitz, if you lied to him about this you really put yourself in this situation. I didn't know you told WL this in private.

Like, I knew you two talked from what Raziek told me and it seems you didn't understand what, "Not talking outside of the game." But then you tried to cover it up with a lie instead of just telling WL what had happened when he asked you about it.

Sorry but, I can't really defend you if you did that. Lying about it makes you lose credibility over just telling the trust.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Since it's too late to vote for MvP, I'll just say sorry to town for playing horribly and sorry to Ryu for getting us lynched based on a bunch of stupid **** that I should have done better and a bunch of hydra stuff. Good job pinning Jupiter as scum btw xD. Fun game~!

Nah it was good either way, I've said and done those things before Joey.

We'll do it again, I think I played better when I hydra'd with you.

 

[th3kuzinator]

>had no idea what he was doing was wrong
>lied through his teeth not to get caught knowing outside info

no.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Still Jay, try and play some newbies and learn from them.

That would be my best advice.

 

[Jdietz43]

You ever read Calvin and Hobbes? That's pretty much exactly how the role worked.



His night action never did anything in the first place, but his shot probably would've popped your armor. Or something.

Oh okay I get it lol. I'm not that familiar with Calvin and Hobbes, but I know enough to know that Hobbes is imaginary.

When Jupiter flipped "Calvin" I was just: Wut?

>Be cop mason
>Think of some stupid idiot master plan
>Investigate Joey n1
>get inno
>Claim neighbor d2
>Get outed as real cop somehow because I couldn't think through my neighbor claim
>Mason WL
>Get redirected to Roxy after investigating WL
>Get guilty
>Lynch WL
>He flips town
>INVESTIGATE MYSELF THE FOLLOWING NIGHT
>GET GUILTY
>GUYS I MUST BE INSANE COP LYNCH JOEY
>JOEY CLAIMS MASON WITH J
>GET SELF MODKILLED AFTER TALKING IN THE SKYPE GROUP
>FLIP SANE COP
>SOLD IS A REDIRECTING BOMB
>WL COMES BACK AS TOWN BECAUSE HE WAS DRY BONES OR SOMETHING
>LYNCH SOLD
>HE'S BOMB
>SOLD BLOWS UP
>GG MAFIA WINS

REPRESSED
MEMORIES

This... sounds... amazing... probably for all the wrong reasons lol


@Ryu and Washed: Yeah it was a pretty bad situation, and In retrospect I should have just asked for replacement and been done with it, but I didn't think of that right away... so here we are. I didn't want to ruin the game and (in my mind at the time) make Washed have to restart and waste his whole setup just because we're dolts. (I had already gotten heat from screwing up how "bah go scum" posts work in SF, and didn't want anyone to hate me any more for it. I can't really defend that I kept going, but it was done with good intentions.

I won't hold it against anyone for blacklisting me for it for awhile. It's entirely our/my fault that it came this far. Mostly mine... she wouldn't have even been here to screw up with if it weren't for me.

 

[JTB]

lol, how did I miss that calvin reference completely

 

[zapp brannigan]

I deff am kool with jd playin some noob games. Live and learn.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

That whole thing Soup posted was something Sold set up in UTrick'd2 I think. After his scummate was probably the least useful scummate in the world.

Once Soup had claimed cop, Sold, just redirected him to Roxy every night. So Soup kept getting guilties on people (including himself) and still had that innocent on Joey. Beautiful play on his part.

 

[Jdietz43]

Still Jay, try and play some newbies and learn from them.

That would be my best advice.

Yeah, that's the plan for now.
Hopefully people will forgive me with time.

 

[Swiss]

I suspect some players will have you blacklisted for a lot longer *waves at Ryker*.

I'd be inclined to let you play in one of my games in the future since I intend to host a newbie. Plus, there's been cheating in other games that people didn't get so mad at because the mod in question didn't push for punishment - that was three people, iirc.

 

[Jdietz43]

Haha yeah... Ryker will probably hate me for life. But then again I never got the feeling he liked me in the first place.

But that's good to hear, I mean the reason I tried to follow the rabbit hole was I was afraid no one would ever give me a chance to prove myself as an ok guy ever again. So some bridges burned, but important lessons learned.

Right now I'm trying to decide if I should /out of the Epic Rap Battles mafia until I've gotten a noob or two in. Gorf probably wouldn't take it too well if I screwed up a third time

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Your problem isn't game experience, the main problem here is your integrity.

 

[Jdietz43]

Yeah, but I can't help like feeling if I had more mafia experience it wouldn't have become an issue to begin with as I would have already understood why inviting friends is a bad idea, and what is and isn't slip-bait and against the rules to discuss.

I can only really prove my integrity by pushing forward and doing better in the future.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Welp, I've been defensive of you in multiple occasions, so don't take this the wrong way but...

reading the rules isn't hard. Really. It's in there quite literally.

That's mainly why people are on your case. It's such a weird error to make for anyone who can do basic reading. It makes it look like you haven't even bothered reading the rules before playing, which shows disrespect etc.

 

[Jdietz43]

*sigh* I know... I'm an idiot.

I don't know what state of mind I was in when I thought Washed telling me to go talk to Meow meant actually talk to Meow. For some reason I thought just telling her catch up stuff was fine and then bam: we're in this mess.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Yeah, I realize there's no malicious intent, which is why I'm all for letting you stick around. Just laying it out real simple for ya. I'd love to say don't sweat it, but you kinda have to sweat it.

 

[Jdietz43]

Trust me: I'm sweating it.

People are not happy, and I understand why. :<

 

[Raziek]

Spoiler

[4/2/2012 7:13:40 PM] DRB | Raziek: Yo. I'll get to you in a few minutes, I'm about to be tied up by something else for about 10 minutes
[4/2/2012 7:13:45 PM] μ: mmk
[4/2/2012 7:13:56 PM] μ: I'm eating dinner soon
[4/2/2012 7:13:59 PM] μ: but I should still be around
[4/2/2012 7:30:14 PM] DRB | Raziek: Ok, still here?
[4/2/2012 7:30:25 PM] μ: yep
[4/2/2012 7:32:31 PM] DRB | Raziek: Alright, I'll be straight with you here. You're under suspicion by multiple players of cheating in Gigabots, suspectedly by discussing the game with MeowMonster out of game.

With that said, that's more or less why people are treating you like a paraih right now. If it's true and you're willing to admit it, do so. If it was a misunderstanding, we can probably clear this up with a minimum of damage.
[4/2/2012 7:33:20 PM] DRB | Raziek: Most of this suspicion comes from the fact that you practically claimed her role and results in thread, from what I understand.
[4/2/2012 7:33:36 PM] μ: oh ok, well that makes more sense of why people are acting weird
[4/2/2012 7:34:03 PM] μ: yeah, I had contact with Meow out of game. I had to keep tabs on her or she wouldn't be posting etc.
[4/2/2012 7:34:22 PM] μ: iirc Washed even asked me to talk to her once
[4/2/2012 7:35:01 PM] DRB | Raziek: Ok, the issue is what exactly you spoke to her about. It's one thing to remind her to post, I do that all the time. The issue is you apparently knew her role somehow. What exactly did you talk about?
[4/2/2012 7:35:29 PM] μ: Mostly her posting, and then she would ask me base questions about gamestate to get her up to speed
[4/2/2012 7:36:04 PM] μ: I could understand where people would come from since my gambit ended up being what she was though, but that wasn't something we dicussed
[4/2/2012 7:36:45 PM] DRB | Raziek: Serious?
[4/2/2012 7:36:53 PM] μ: I'd be lying if I said simply talking to her didn't give me some indication of her alighnment though. She really only asked gamestate questions that would matter to town.
[4/2/2012 7:37:26 PM] μ: It's why we're hyrdaing now instead of just playing
[4/2/2012 7:37:38 PM] μ: it felt unfair, especially after Washed asked us to stop communicating as much
[4/2/2012 7:37:49 PM] μ: it's just easier than walking on eggshells
[4/2/2012 7:37:55 PM] DRB | Raziek: Ok. That's where the problem lies. You can't talk about the game to players unless your role specifically allows you to do so. Not about the state of the game, nothing to do with the game itself.
[4/2/2012 7:38:02 PM] DRB | Raziek: It's right in the rules.
[4/2/2012 7:38:16 PM] DRB | Raziek: Telling her she needs to post is fine
[4/2/2012 7:38:27 PM] DRB | Raziek: But the two of you talking ABOUT the game is where the rule was broken.
[4/2/2012 7:38:43 PM] μ: Ah. Ok then
[4/2/2012 7:38:54 PM] μ: Well at this point I guess all I can do is say sorry about that then
[4/2/2012 7:39:08 PM] DRB | Raziek: Have you actually given the game rules a close read through?
[4/2/2012 7:39:28 PM] μ: I thought I did... but I should probably give them a second read through
[4/2/2012 7:40:12 PM] μ: this place is stricter than I'm used to, for reasons I'm starting to understand. But I'm doing my best
[4/2/2012 7:41:20 PM] μ: Is there a standardized rule thread stickied?
[4/2/2012 7:41:31 PM] μ: (it's hard to tell with this april fools color scheme)
[4/2/2012 7:42:09 PM] DRB | Raziek: Please do. I don't want to have to be an *** about anything, but the disregard for the rules is the main problem. We already had the issue in Shining Force with respect to your dead post, and that's cleared up now, but this makes the second transgression.

No, there isn't. Game rules vary from mod to mod, and you should read the rules for every game you join, without question. Some mods are stricter about certain things than others.
[4/2/2012 7:42:31 PM] μ: mmk
[4/2/2012 7:43:00 PM] DRB | Raziek: With all that said, Gorf has asked me to deny your signup to his game, for the aforementioned reasons. He's within his rights as a mod to do so.

However, I will speak to him and explain the situation, and see how he wants to handle the situation.
[4/2/2012 7:43:07 PM] μ: Sorry to make you come and chastise me a second time
[4/2/2012 7:43:37 PM] μ: I guess I understand if Gorf doesn't want me in his game based on that, but I'd rather not be entirely witheld from the whole community for it
[4/2/2012 7:44:53 PM] DRB | Raziek: That's what I'm trying to avoid. Although your playstyle is a bit goofy, you're a nice guy and I realize you're sincerely making mistakes. I don't want to see you blacklisted just because you ****ed up a few times.

That said, I can't really do much for you if there's a third incident of some kind, so PLEASE watch yourself and read all the rules carefully.
[4/2/2012 7:45:51 PM] μ: Right right
[4/2/2012 7:45:56 PM] μ: ironically
[4/2/2012 7:46:12 PM] μ: that was supposed to be Gigabots going 100% right to make up for the SF mistake
[4/2/2012 7:46:38 PM] μ: lol... oh well
[4/2/2012 7:47:10 PM] μ: anyways, if it helps the situation, don't feel like me being a screw up has to be secret
[4/2/2012 7:48:33 PM] μ: you there?
[4/2/2012 7:48:42 PM] DRB | Raziek: Yeah, I was just talking to Gorf.
[4/2/2012 7:49:17 PM] DRB | Raziek: I'll decide what to do about the issue. Likely, no public action will be taken until the completion of Gigabots, as the issue of course affects that game.
[4/2/2012 7:50:43 PM] μ: alright, well let me know what happens. If people are willing to give me a third crack at getting mafia right I'm willing to keep playing, but if it's just going to be trouble then I might as well just be on my way and call it a good try
[4/2/2012 7:51:22 PM] DRB | Raziek: It doesn't have to be all that bad. I'll keep you posted.
[4/2/2012 7:51:35 PM] μ: I hope not lol
[4/2/2012 7:52:26 PM] μ: see you round then, if I ever get out of ELO hell in LoL I'll give you and Ryker a call
[4/2/2012 7:55:55 PM] DRB | Raziek: Good news/
[4/2/2012 7:56:07 PM] DRB | Raziek: Gorf is letting you join his game as the hydra.
[4/2/2012 7:56:22 PM] μ: Great!
[4/2/2012 7:56:55 PM] DRB | Raziek: Just PLEASE don't **** up again, haha. Both of you sit down and read all the rules very carefully, and DO NOT hesitate to ask Gorf or myself if you have ANY questions whatsoever, haha.
[4/2/2012 7:57:12 PM] μ: lol, I'll make double sure this time
[4/2/2012 7:57:18 PM] μ: (dear god I hope)
[4/2/2012 7:57:50 PM] μ: I can't see what could possibly go wrong! (starts to rain)
[4/2/2012 7:59:28 PM] μ: oh I know, before I let you go
[4/2/2012 8:00:07 PM] μ: what's the standard procedure for Hyrda discussion? I know as scum in SF I was supposed to talk in a QT. Is that on mod to mod basis, or is there a usual way to go about it?
[4/2/2012 8:01:00 PM] DRB | Raziek: Varies from mod to mod. Some mods are very strict and want all communications strictly logged (such as copying text logs into a QT), while most are very laid back about it.
[4/2/2012 8:01:27 PM] DRB | Raziek: The hydras I've been in with Xonar and Ryker communicated almost entirely through skype
[4/2/2012 8:01:31 PM] DRB | Raziek: Calls or otherwise
[4/2/2012 8:02:05 PM] μ: alright, I'll just see what Gorf wants when it comes time to start the game
[4/2/2012 8:03:31 PM] DRB | Raziek: Mm. He'll likely be pretty lax about it, most mods don't care how the hydras communicate
[4/2/2012 8:03:56 PM] μ: I hope so, it's both easier to do, and easier to not mess up
[4/2/2012 8:04:40 PM] DRB | Raziek: At any rate, I've got **** to take care of, glad we could clear this up.
[4/2/2012 8:05:13 PM] μ: mmk me too. I was starting to think I was just so bad at mafia people were jumping ship
[4/2/2012 8:05:22 PM] μ: it wasn't a good feeling
[4/2/2012 8:06:01 PM] DRB | Raziek: Nah. Your style rubs some the wrong way, but not enough to blacklist you for it. You're no more annoying than Ranmaru can be at times. xD
[4/2/2012 8:06:22 PM] DRB | Raziek: I actually thought your Gigabots play was alright up until the shenanigans
[4/2/2012 8:06:26 PM] μ: lol

you know Ran likes me for my posting style right?
[4/2/2012 8:07:05 PM] DRB | Raziek: Not surprised. xD
[4/2/2012 8:07:08 PM] μ: well anyways I'll let you get on about your buisness
[4/2/2012 8:07:19 PM] DRB | Raziek: Mm. Later!

That's the extent of the conversation JD and I had about the issue.

Deferring decision to Laundry, as it seems I was lied to as well.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Yeah, but I can't help like feeling if I had more mafia experience it wouldn't have become an issue to begin with as I would have already understood why inviting friends is a bad idea, and what is and isn't slip-bait and against the rules to discuss.

I can only really prove my integrity by pushing forward and doing better in the future.

The only mafia experience that you would need is to sit down, read the rules, and follow them. Discussing mod confirmed elements is blatantly against the rules. Discussing the game with another living player is blatantly against the rules. I don't really see how additional experience would give you any additional insight. These two factors alone give you a boost in knowledge that town should be inhibited from receiving and are quite obvious wrongs in any shape or form.

When I screwed up my newbie, I felt bad. I literally avoided the site in its entirety for four or so months because I felt that bad. I also was aware that I had a huge patience problem that I needed to gradually work on with time, but I went on another site to play mafia during that interim period. It is true that you need to "do better" and "push forward." But I don't really think you really feel bad based on your comment with regards to Gord mafia. If you felt bad for screwing up one normal mafia game, why even consider entering another normal if you are sincerely thinking that this issue is purely an experience issue. If you were sincere about how you were going to approach this, you wouldn't cut corners around your "Jdietz reform plan." I do think you feel bad, just not bad enough for me to believe that you're going to change any time soon.

 

[Jdietz43]

Raziek convo is all truth with the exception I lied by omission on how bad I thought the alignment tell situation was in the hopes things would get better.

@Allegory: You've got a point there... I didn't want to disappoint Meow, but backing out of ERB would probably be for the best

@Swiss edit Ninja: During banter on Xbox after telling her to post she slipped that she didn't know what Washed must be on giving her a robin. That was the "****" moment. After that it's hard not to put two and two together. Friendly = town. Object must mean flavor cop, and now we're in a bind since I knew for a fact that wasn't the kind of info that was supposed to be given freely.

 

[Swiss]

How did you pin her role?

 

[Jdietz43]

Accidentally posted in edit above lol

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

...she straight out told you her role just like that?

I mean, sure, JDietz did something wrong here by going too in-depth, but this is quite a different situation i m o. The only right thing to do here is to both replace out, which would've been terrible for Washed's game and JDietz wanted to avoid that.

I don't see any bad intent here from JDietz at all, just bad/rookie decision-making. No need to blacklist at all.

 

[Jdietz43]

Yeah, it's why it was difficult for me. I realize now that all I had to do was replace my own slot and things could be fine, but at the time all I could see was ruining it for everyone if I just quit there after so much start up trouble this game had.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

And you explained this to RR and Raziek.

 

[th3kuzinator]

So instead of pretending like it never happened and owning up when the mods questioned you used that information in thread for your own gambit?

That's blatantly changing the natural flow of the game.

 

[Jdietz43]

And you explained this to RR and Raziek.

No that's the problem, I was too afraid of being blacklisted for life to tell the whole truth, so I fudged it a little. I don't remember ever talking straight to RR though lol, but if I did I probably told him more than Raziek

 

[th3kuzinator]

I don't suggest a community wide blacklist btw. It's a mod's prerogative.

I'm just telling you where he sits with me.

 

[zapp brannigan]

Allegory your mistake costed you the game. Plus I had an assist fron vandy by letting me go. So there was more of a burden on ya.

This loss spreads to many people, not just jd. So him not feeling really bad doesnt really show anything. Its null.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Acrostic's mistake wasn't breaking the rules. It was just a ballsy gambit that turned out to backfire. Stuff like that doesn't concern me.

The two situations are barely comparable.

 

[Jdietz43]

Allegory your mistake costed you the game. Plus I had an assist fron vandy by letting me go. So there was more of a burden on ya.

This loss spreads to many people, not just jd. So him not feeling really bad doesnt really show anything. Its null.

Oh man... if our blunder had cost us the game singlehandedly I probably wouldn't even be here right now, I'd be too ashamed. I don't think I could look the Dgames goers in the eye if I had been the only lynchpin in the loss.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

It kinda did...

 

[th3kuzinator]

Your gambit probably lost the game for town.

Your cheating created an alternate scenario that makes the natural outcome of this game void.

Not trying to be a straight up ****, but I agree with Acrostic that you don't really realize the full life consequences of what you did.

 

[Jdietz43]

Oh...

(I am both deeply shamed, and yet slightly uplifted by Kuz's full life consequences reference...)

I guess we'll never know how the game would have panned out now, I'm really sorry you guys. I'm going to just go sit in my shame corner for awhile and try to feel better about this :<

 

[th3kuzinator]

This has happened before though, Dietz. And that person got chewed considerably more than people are chewing you out right now. You should be lucky most of the players here are very forgiving.

Know that this incident will fade in time and people will get over it. I just hope to god we've imprinted the rules deep enough so that this never happens again.