Gigabots Manfia - GAME [JUMB]OVER. Who got the Gigatron?

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Probably nothing.

I am pretty hard to lynch overall.

Some good methods for lynching someone:

Appeal to someone who has a town read on you. (Jupiter did this)

Appeal to people personally.
i.e. "Hey Ranmaru, you are okay with this lynch, right? Join on in."
"Hey Orboknown, this person wants to lynch you. If you want to survive, you have to join."

Point out smaller scummy things and keep racking those up. (one of the only ways to lynch a good scum player)

Point out the overall game-plan of a person if there is conclusive evidence. (the way Jupiter lynched me)

Throw a lot of words at someone. (Jupiter)



Overall, you should pursue something until either

1. You die.
2. He dies.
3. You are truly satisfied with the slot.


And I started English at the age of... 2 I guess. With LoZ on the NES and games like that. I'm just bad with language overall, even though I know like 5-6 of them.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Ok, tell me why you are hard to lynch them and I'll keep those reasons in mind then. I'll try to beat you at your game.

Well my town cred was going down. I had a town read on RR but it was conflicting. I would buddy if I had a town read I could bounce ideas with.

And ok, I will keep those two reasons in mind. The (lynching scum reason and the other one looking at your overall play)

It's just that I just yelled YOU'RE SCUM because I want to voice my suspicions as quick as possible. I'll try to look at someone's overall play before trying to for reals lynching them.

Thanks.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I'm hard to lynch because...
welp.

Look at G3S or FireLightning for answers to that. Or even this game. I don't have a concrete explanation for that.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Hmmmmmmm ok

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Yeah I started learning english in the second grade. I also had Super Mario World as my first game on the SNES.

You old???

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I have to say though, I'm bad with real pressure on me. The best I do to pressure is belittle people. Then, if it keeps up, I'll respond to it while belittling people. It works though, and I'm cool with that overall.

I'm 18.

 

[BarDulL]

Oh ok yeah. Gheb just did it in spite... basically the same thing.

Questions:

Did you have an easier time getting town reads or scum reads? What helped you achieve them?

Anything you could improve on your game here? Any strengths or weaknesses you have noticed here?

Oh, by break the game for Town, I meant to help them win. Not make them lose. It wasn't a spite thing. Is "breaking the game" negatively connotated in Dgames?

I'm trying to analyze intent and subtle social cues that are being missed, I.E. Biceps not talking to Ryker about why Ryker addressed him in Ryker's D1 post. It just seemed like something Biceps should have done, but he didn't, and so I figured it was because there was a communication between the two that was well hidden. But apparently Ryker didn't actually know Biceps was scum, so now I'm just like...wtf'ing about that. I think Biceps probably thought Ryker was traitor from that one post, so he didn't address it. But then he killed Ryker later on because Ryker seemed too Town? I don't know. I'm also looking for patterns and certain language that players use when they're town/scum, which is how I figured out right away RR was Town.

It's hard to really grasp strong reads on others when a social cue that's being missed could be via V/LA, which is my only real qualm with forum mafia.

I'm essentially looking for contextual information as well as alliance information (how players interact with each other). I'm hesitant to rely on that as much though since that stuff can be really well manufactured in Dgames.

I need to be better liked early in the game if I'm to hope to stay in. I need some of that "social clout" to keep myself above getting lynched early on. Aside from that, I have to be careful about outing FoSes because ultimately I'm going to end up forcing contention between myself and another player when I drop the FoS/Vote, and to do it with the wrong player at the wrong time is just pretty awful and can be viewed differently than a genuine FoS/vote (i.e. omgus, or me coming off as a ****** n00b).

 

[Pink Lemonade]

I have to say though, I'm bad with real pressure on me. The best I do to pressure is belittle people. Then, if it keeps up, I'll respond to it while belittling people. It works though, and I'm cool with that overall.

I'm 18.

Yeah you did do that to me lol. Did you honestly think I was scum with JTB?

OH I'm 22... lol.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Bardull will get to you soon got to shower

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

No I didn't think that, but I wanted to hurt your credibility as much as I could.

Like I said before to others, an indy doesn't hunt for scum, they hunt for scummy things.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

K got ya, makes sense.

oh you said that? I'll keep that in mind. I'm no good at looking for indies haha. *Rather I don't have experience nailing them, instead I just focus on scum all the time and it messed me up. : D

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I personally think looking for Scum has priority over looking for Indy.

*shrug*

 

[Evil Eye]

Depends on the indy, and the situation. If you've got an SK, and you CAN nail them (it's tough because you're running a huuuuge chance of just mislynching someone) you're wiping out an antitown kill in one fell swoop. That is good stuff. Nail SK, get a docsave in (seen it happen) and suddenly town's kicking *** and taking names.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

True, but looking for indy is generally less fruitful in terms of information flow and results.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Who gives a ****? You've got to lynch them either way and it stops the limiting factors (night kill in the SK example) which indirectly promotes information flow anyway.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Well I found biceps scummier than you but I let that go because jtb flipped scum and I got a town read on ya xonar.s I was puttin scum first. I will try to get better at reasons at lynching pplayers cuz I kno I fail in that department. In more of a gut/vibe person..

And in sure ee has noticed I have trouble communicating how I see scumminess.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

A lot of people have that problem.
I had it too.

Best way to fix it is to read a post you get a bad vibe from and try to underline the sentences that give you these bad vibes. From there on you figure out what exactly in those sentences give you a bad feel. If you don't know what exactly, you can just post that you think those parts give you a bad feel.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Thx dude. I will keep this in my heart. And my evernote notebook.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

...she straight out told you her role just like that?

I mean, sure, JDietz did something wrong here by going too in-depth, but this is quite a different situation i m o. The only right thing to do here is to both replace out, which would've been terrible for Washed's game and JDietz wanted to avoid that.

I don't see any bad intent here from JDietz at all, just bad/rookie decision-making. No need to blacklist at all.

I'd rather have looked for a replacement than have had it come to this, but rather, he lied to me and that bothered me. He done goofed. I'm punishing him for his decisions because of how it affected the game and how he denied it to both Raz and I. I'm going to be lenient with the blacklisting, though. Should he keep his nose clean in newbie games, I'm willing to lift it. Just...he needs to learn that.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Hey guys, don't be mad at J. This really is all my fault. He truly cared about the rules, but all the times I asked him questions or made statements, I felt no remorse for how far I shouldn't be going.

He could've chosen to not answer my questions, but even so, I still made statements I shouldn't. It's kind of hard to disregard something once you read it. So if you really need to hate anyone for life, hate me.

Oh believe me, you haven't really escaped fire. I'd probably auto-deny you entry into my next game should you join but I have no guarantee you'll stick around here.

 

[BarDulL]

Regarding MVP:

I thought Biceps played fine and dandy, so I would definitely vote for him. Although, I do think the Jdeitz ordeal was pretty bad considering Gorf got outed as a protective role. I have a feeling that things definitely may have played out differently with Kuz/Gorf still in the game. But regardless of that happening, Biceps still played well regardless of those circumstances.

Vote MVP: Biceps.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

That's dumb and selfish. If you do this you stop the information flow going to town.

Yeah prolly true that you should convince ppl you are town first before doing that. I should have done that too... I just felt ok cuz it seemed like a plan to get me 'out of the picture' so I wasn't a wild card.

All that leads to is a lack of info and a free Night for scum to do their bidding, and more often than not, a lynch for the saved player the next Day. Besides, my flip being the most important thing at the time was show that I NEEDED to give town my flip.

I honestly wouldn't care unless I was certain the other alternative was town. Yeah you give info, but your assisting in your own ML. Even in this situation Gorf was the jailer, scum isn't going to leave that alone.

RR is still under the impression that he's good at mafia

Because I didn't think beating a weak town is MvP?

Get over yourself.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I'll 'get over myself' just as soon as every single other person who's on board and understands just how goddamn hard me and EE had to work at this game does. You have no idea how insulting it is for us to have done so much with so little and for someone like you to come in and try to tear it down because you're salty.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I've never taken away that you played well and won, never once. The only thing I disagree with is you getting MvP for what happened here. If players don't get MvP for games where mafia implodes or town plays horribly then I really don't see it being justified here.

I get salty but god, the fact you think I'm trying to rip you and EE apart for it is mind boggling. I don't let that **** blind me on a decision like that. I'm mad salty over FFT but I still said MvP Ryker when I thought he deserved it.

The fact you think I'm saying this as "payback" or some nonsense is a load of bull. Get over it, just because I don't agree with MvP doesn't mean I think you played like **** over some newbie lol town.

Get that thought process out of here, I don't play this bias pissing match after the game is over.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Hard work =/= MvP

You can work hard and still be Nich.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I've never taken away that you played well and won, never once. The only thing I disagree with is you getting MvP for what happened here. If players don't get MvP for games where mafia implodes or town plays horribly then I really don't see it being justified here.

I get salty but god, the fact you think I'm trying to rip you and EE apart for it is mind boggling. I don't let that **** blind me on a decision like that. I'm mad salty over FFT but I still said MvP Ryker when I thought he deserved it.

The fact you think I'm saying this as "payback" or some nonsense is a load of bull. Get over it, just because I don't agree with MvP doesn't mean I think you played like **** over some newbie lol town.

Get that thought process out of here, I don't play this bias pissing match after the game is over.

And yet you've made several posts completely downplaying everything we've done in the game and how we've impacted it. You spin it to sound like had we not played, town would have eaten itself alive when we had pressure on us SEVERAL times and always managed to bounce back from it.

You can say you're doing it for whatever reasons you want, but I'm looking at what you've done and the message is clear.

Hard work =/= MvP

You can work hard and still be Nich.

Absolutely true. But in this case, Hard work = Mislynches/Looking super-town/pegging the indy/winning the game

Which DOES equal MVP.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

And yet you've made several posts completely downplaying everything we've done in the game and how we've impacted it. You spin it to sound like had we not played, town would have eaten itself alive when we had pressure on us SEVERAL times and always managed to bounce back from it.

You can say you're doing it for whatever reasons you want, but I'm looking at what you've done and the message is clear.

Because your completely dismissing town's play didn't at all impact your success, because it very much did.

 

[th3kuzinator]

No MVP. That should have been immediately apparent once cheating transpired. Now stop arguing.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Doesn't matter to me in the long run, if WL gives it I won't complain but I am throwing my opinion out there on the matter.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Because your completely dismissing town's play didn't at all impact your success, because it very much did.

OF COURSE IT DID, BECAUSE IF TOWN DOESN'T MAKE MISTAKES IT MEANS SCUM CAN'T WIN.

THERE WOULD NEVER BE A ML. EVER. BECAUSE THAT'S A MISTAKE.

And how are you not getting that we were the ones causing those mistakes to happen in the first place.

No MVP. That should have been immediately apparent once cheating transpired. Now stop arguing.

I'll be happy to drop it once MVP is awarded. The JD debacle had no impact on our play, it was a neat boon to catch Gorf but we certainly would have been able to push someone else that Day if it came down to it. Same as we did every single other Day of the game after D2.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Glyph you're lying out your teeth. I'm surprised and a little disappointed. I thought you were above this.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Besides, Gorf wasn't lynched because of the cheating. Both you and Detective had unvoted him, and you had even gone as far as to say 'never mind he's town'.

I am absolutely NOT lying. And if you're willing to try to take this game away from me after I put as much into it as I did, I've got nothing left to say to you.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

OF COURSE IT DID, BECAUSE IF TOWN DOESN'T MAKE MISTAKES IT MEANS SCUM CAN'T WIN.

THERE WOULD NEVER BE A ML. EVER. BECAUSE THAT'S A MISTAKE.

And how are you not getting that we were the ones causing those mistakes to happen in the first place.

Not all mistakes are equal in value.

Like I said, done here I'll let WL decide.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Save the AtE for mafia games bud.

 

[BarDulL]

OF COURSE IT DID, BECAUSE IF TOWN DOESN'T MAKE MISTAKES IT MEANS SCUM CAN'T WIN.

THERE WOULD NEVER BE A ML. EVER. BECAUSE THAT'S A MISTAKE.

And how are you not getting that we were the ones causing those mistakes to happen in the first place.



I'll be happy to drop it once MVP is awarded. The JD debacle had no impact on our play, it was a neat boon to catch Gorf but we certainly would have been able to push someone else that Day if it came down to it. Same as we did every single other Day of the game after D2.

In all honesty, I get where you're coming from with this. Just let your play speak for itself and if everyone thinks you deserve it, then you should get it. But if you don't then it's whatever.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

**** you Kuz. Seriously. From the bottom of my heart, **** you. I am absolutely disgusted you'd handle this the way you have handled this.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Give biceps the MVP.

No matter what circumstance or any instance that happened, they played a hard fought game and won this. Somebody shouldn't be discredited just because the other faction did bad, it's their fault for being bad but it should in no way influence if the other side gets MVP or not.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I'll 'get over myself' just as soon as every single other person who's on board and understands just how goddamn hard me and EE had to work at this game does. You have no idea how insulting it is for us to have done so much with so little and for someone like you to come in and try to tear it down because you're salty.

Oh the irony.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Whatever man.

 

[Gova]

Give biceps the MVP.

No matter what circumstance or any instance that happened, they played a hard fought game and won this. Somebody shouldn't be discredited just because the other faction did bad, it's their fault for being bad but it should in no way influence if the other side gets MVP or not.

We should go back and give MVP's to all the games where mafia played badly and where town played badly then.