Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[MajoraMan28]

On second thought, adding Seph would be even more incredible if they added him in WoL alongside Cloud and co.
His Safer Sephiroth form would be a perfect boss and fits the aesthetic of the game and story perfectly.

 

[Inawordyes]

Hi, I skipped 18 pages and now I'm wondering if I should go back and re-read them haha. What happened?

I went back and read them.

Wow, that was a trip and a half.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

Something to consider.
Just a food for thought.

What if, instead of getting through the assle of asking for new things and just new deals in general. Or because they're difficult to deal with

Sakurai could have just went for a renewal since the Smash4DLC and Project plan ended at the same times. And it would have cost less to just take what he already had right now?

This is kind of the reason I feel so good about Geno's chances. The fact that we're being told a SE character is coming with literally no new SE content being added into Ultimate other than a Mallow Spirit, I'm having a hard time believing they negotiated the rights to any entirely new characters and just held Geno off for DLC because SE loves their DLC shekels.

Geno and at least Beware the Forest Mushrooms song rights were given at least for Smash 4 and it seems there's no reason for them not to carry over to Smash Ultimate for them to capitalize on a heavily demanded character with very little additional negotiations needed

 

[Grunky Peep]

I wanted to apologize. I know that I just made an account and that this is the Geno thread, and that I keep talking about Dragon Quest, Crono and my 50/50 stance on Spirits. I just keep seeing other people bring it up. No matter if I'm right, or other people, looking at the statistics and chances for other characters Square owns isn't going to change what's been decided. Even if Square doesn't get a rep, and Geno gets shafted again, I think the best thing this thread could do is continue to support Geno, no matter who makes it in. That's why people are here yeah?

It worked for Ridley and K.Rool.

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

I'm currently watching a Super Mario RPG speedrun and wearing a t-shirt with Geno on it... Maybe I'm a little obsessed.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I have other reservations about Sephiroth too that I actually went into the other day. The big one, more so than music, is that Sakurai openly admitted that Cloud was a struggle to not be a broken mess and he was grossly overpowered most of his development cycle. I can't see how Sephiroth wouldn't be worse. A boss character? Sure. A playable character? He basically would have to be nerfed to the ground but that wouldn't be Sephiroth. He's supposed to be an OP SOB. That's his entire character.

 

[ZelDan]

I have other reservations about Sephiroth too that I actually went into the other day. The big one, more so than music, is that Sakurai openly admitted that Cloud was a struggle to not be a broken mess and he was grossly overpowered most of his development cycle. I can't see how Sephiroth wouldn't be worse. A boss character? Sure. A playable character? He basically would have to be nerfed to the ground but that wouldn't be Sephiroth. He's supposed to be an OP SOB. That's his entire character.

That didn't really stop him from being playable in the Dissidia games. That and we are talking about the series where someone like Diddy can fight against a goddess like Palutena or someone powerful like Ganondorf.

Still though, I don't really see Sephiroth happening either, with how stingy they have been with FF in particular so far.

 

[The Anigriffin]

Hey guys, been lurking on here for a while. New to Smashboards though. Geno is currently my second most wanted character, so I'm Team Geno all the way!

 

[bardbowman]

If we assume that only one SE DLC character is getting in, I tend to feel that Sakurai wouldn't want to invest the money and hassle just to get another FF rep in Smash. There's inherently less representative value when you've already got Cloud.

Sure, you'd get a cool villain character, but we haven't yet seen any 3rd party fighters get their antagonist counterparts. In fact, with the exception of Richter (who is an echo), no third party developer has two characters from the same series playable. And I don't see Square as the company who will break that streak.

That's why I think Geno's primary competition would be DQ, and maybe Chrono Trigger. If you're gonna work with a difficult company, you'd think Sakurai would rather rep a popular series that's not already in the game (at least, when you're talking about another FE rep).

 

[Deleted member]

Hey guys, been lurking on here for a while. New to Smashboards though. Geno is currently my second most wanted character, so I'm Team Geno all the way!

Welcome to the Geno thread You should also join the Ninten thread!

 

[alemerltoucanet]

Hey guys, been lurking on here for a while. New to Smashboards though. Geno is currently my second most wanted character, so I'm Team Geno all the way!

Welcome to Smashboards and the Geno support thread!

we've been getting so many new peeps! This is great!

 

[Fatmanonice]

Dissidia is also a 3D open arena fighting game though. To be true to the character, he'd still have to have the longest sword and Cloud's is already nuts as per Sakurai. I've heard people say things like give him a ton of cool down or make him fly off the screen if a baby hiccups near him but that's not Sephiroth though. One of his defining traits is that him and Cloud are almost evenly matched with him having a slight advantage. Like I said, a severely crippled Sephiroth just doesn't work.

 

[childishgamgeno]

(two years later)

...Euden it is!”

“Finally, we need a big megaton character that’ll get everyone excited, and Microsoft wants to talk to us about DLC... that’s perfect, let’s add Steve!”

Though I would again not be remotely opposed to Linkle or MH, I’m worried that something along these lines is what Nintendo would choose as DLC, if they really didn’t expect the positive/negative reactions seen so far regarding certain characters.

I actually can see Euden making it in as DLC (but again, anime swordsman, connection to dragons, wouldn't really be much different than Corrin) seeing as how Dragalia Lost was super popular. Also, that was a theory I had when Hitagi was saying Nintendo met with Cygames.

I feel like the jump would have already been made if that were the case. No new concessions have been made. No new music (again, despite the relationship you pointed out). No assist trophy. No spirits of Final Fantasy characters despite a 30 year history. Cloud even has the same animations as Smash 4. Compare that to all the other third parties. Even Ubisoft with its lack of playable characters had more content in this game than Smash 4. It paints a picture that Square is, in fact, not easy to work with. Would a second Final Fantasy VII character, stage, and maybe one straight music rip be worth this?

Now that you mention it, I think Sephiroth would make an excellent AT.

You seem to be ignoring the bigger picture.
A lot of characters in the game have the same animations as in Smash 4. This argument is empty of value.
The idea is that new content should be available with the Sephiroth DLC, bc the revenue for S-E would be much higher than the money they would get from the base game. This also isn't a new practice for them, given their guest appearances in other fighting games. We are the only ones to have their IP on the base game, actually. Their licenses are more expensive than the norm, but working with them wasn't a hassle, from the interview that you posted in this thread. They are perfectionists, but aren't demanding with the use of the content they provide, given how Sakurai states they had the usual compliments and criticism while having no big demands for him. You can see he had fun with the character being added.

I also think that we should root for two S-E characters in the season pass or passes. They are the third party with the best cast of classic characters to choose from. Even if having 3 S-E chars sounds a bit too much.

I actually don't think thats completely true. Most characters (as far as ive seen) have had animation changes either for aesthetic or balancing purposes. If Cloud's is a straight copypaste, it could imply they couldn't work on him.

Let's also remember that FF music doesn't have to JUST stem from FF7, so why does it only? Street Fighter has music from characters and stages and games from all over the franchise. There's even Golden Sun music from different games. So why just FF7 and why only two? Even if Sephiroth is coming and that would mean more FF music, that would mean just that, MORE final fantasy music, so why only start off with two tracks? Even if we started with 5, a potential Sephiroth DLC would just be bringing more music anyway. Additionally, It's not like we're paying for the character, stage, and music separately. It's all in one big package. It makes no sense for SE to withhold music in the base game for revenue purposes, if they were going to get the same revenue anyway.

 

[Loliko YnT]

COMPLETELY FAKE , BUT STILL GOOD.

Also , I wouldn't mind Sephiroth. Just , wich stage would he bring with him?

 

[thirsty-pocket]

To be honest, Geno feels like an character they would have used in Galaxy in order to re-introduce him would they have full control over him

He definitely does, but the problem is that Nintendo, specifically when it comes to main Mario titles, LOVES to miss the boat on their golden chance to use established characters.

They made a Mario & Luigi game where the focus was on dreams, but didn't bring back Wart, they made a game where you're constantly traversing spherical planetoids but didn't bring back Raphael the Raven, they made a Mario game where gold was everywhere and didn't include Wario, they made a Mario game set in space with UFOs and everything and didn't bring back Tatanga, they sent Mario to a desert Kingdom with Shpinxes and Easter Island head creatures and didn't add Daisy ( though i'll give them credit for adding Pauline ) ...And then no RPG character to date has ever shown up outside of a Mario RPG, unless you count the star spirits from Paper Mario being in the Mario Party games I guess.

If there's anything I'd change about the current state of Mario games, its the barriers that any character but Mario, Luigi, Peach. Bowser, Yoshi, Toad, Bowser Junior, and the Koopalings seem to have to face to show up in a main series game.

 

[The Anigriffin]

Ayyy thanks guys. Might have to check the Ninten board as well. Wasn't aware there even was one! I'm currently making a slideshow presentation on why I think Ninten is a likely DLC candidate. I was actually thinking of making one for Geno, but it seems you guys certainly have enough support and evidence here that me making one would be almost unnecessary heh...

 

[Grunky Peep]

He definitely does, but the problem is that Nintendo, specifically when it comes to main Mario titles, LOVES to miss the boat on their golden chance to use established characters.

They made a Mario & Luigi game where the focus was on dreams, but didn't bring back Wart, they made a game where you're constantly traversing spherical planetoids but didn't bring back Raphael the Raven, they made a Mario game where gold was everywhere and didn't include Wario, they made a Mario game set in space with UFOs and everything and didn't bring back Tatanga, they sent Mario to a desert Kingdom with Shpinxes and Easter Island head creatures and didn't add Daisy ( though i'll give them credit for adding Pauline ) ...And then no RPG character to date has ever shown up outside of a Mario RPG, unless you count the star spirits from Paper Mario being in the Mario Party games I guess.

If there's anything I'd change about the current state of Mario games, its the barriers that any character but Mario, Luigi, Peach. Bowser, Yoshi, Toad, Bowser Junior, and the Koopalings seem to have to face to show up in a main series game.

Waluigi hasn't even shown up in any mainseries Mario game. It's ridiculous.

 

[Icewolff92]

Waluigi hasn't even shown up in any mainseries Mario game. It's ridiculous.

I would argue that the biggest question mark when it comes to Waluigi. ... He hasn't even been in a Wario Ware game. Something that should be a no-brainer

 

[EarlTamm]

I would argue that the biggest question mark when it comes to Waluigi. ... He hasn't even been in a Wario Ware game. Something that should be a no-brainer

I think the fact that he is a creation of Camelot, even if it would be no hassle to get him, is serving as some mental barrier. It's odd all things considered

 

[thirsty-pocket]

Waluigi hasn't even shown up in any mainseries Mario game. It's ridiculous.

Not just that, but Wario seems to be locked out from main series Mario as well, despite that being his origin. He'd make for a great side antagonist and occasional ally to Mario with no affiliation with Bowser. Sure beats things like the weird Shadow Mario clones that appeared in games from Mario Galaxy onward.

As for Waluigi, he definitely needs to have any sort of role outside of spinoff filler, I don't get why they haven't had him as a player two to Wario yet... though to be fair, they don't really do Wario Platformers much these days, but there is still no excuse for him not appearing in Wario Ware. He could be really quirky remixes of Wario's microgames or something along those lines.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

Not just that, but Wario seems to be locked out from main series Mario as well, despite that being his origin. He'd make for a great side antagonist and occasional ally to Mario with no affiliation with Bowser. Sure beats things like the weird Shadow Mario clones that appeared in games from Mario Galaxy onward.

As for Waluigi, he definitely needs to have any sort of role outside of spinoff filler, I don't get why they haven't had him as a player two to Wario yet... though to be fair, they don't really do Wario Platformers much these days, but there is still no excuse for him not appearing in Wario Ware. He could be really quirky remixes of Wario's microgames or something along those lines.

Could you really imagine Wario taking place of those Shadow Mario speed run's? C'mon man, that's not Warios style ;3

 

[xpnc]

Assuming Geno is in, here's the potential timeline:

Sakurai goes to Square Enix to get Cloud. Clearly mentions Geno as he walked away with the Geno costume and the Forest Mushrooms song.

This should be controversy free. We know this happened.

Around this time, Smash Ultimate begins development. Basic game project plan is either in progress or complete. Sakurai saves a slot for Geno, being one of the first characters planned for Ultimate.

This is speculative, but given the fact that the only DLC character Verg's sources knew months and months ago was a Square Enix one leads me to believe that this character was originally intended to be in the base game. The missing fighter in the file structure sits after Isabelle (who I believe was the first Echo Fighter, and then was upgraded to full character later in development), Incineroar (saved Pokémon slot) and before Inkling (a no-brainer character and the first one to be revealed). Whoever this character was, they were decided very early on.

Sakurai secures the rights for Everyone is Here, Square Enix gives him a hard time on Cloud.

We have info saying Cloud was added last, which makes Sakurai saying "we barely got everyone back this time" (or something along those lines) points to Square Enix demanding some sort of extra payment or concession.

To ensure that Everyone is Here, Geno is de-prioritised and made a DLC character so Nintendo and Square Enix could share profits.

Obviously also speculative, but it makes sense to me. Square Enix liked the cash flow from splitting the Cloud DLC price with Nintendo, and in order for him to return, they had to be guaranteed a similar deal. Solution? The SE character that wasn't a veteran would be made DLC so that the Everyone is Here tagline would be true. I also find it amusing that in the E3 trailer, there was a lot of focus on Cloud. He got a good double the amount of footage of any other character featured. I think Sakurai was pretty happy with himself that he got him back.

This is what I think happened. Now I can guess some questions are on their way, so I'll try to address them:

Even if you're right that the Square Enix character was in the base game, how do you know it was Geno?

It's been said plenty of times here, but recent information bears repeating the fact that Square Enix does not make it easy to negotiate. They are incredibly protective of their IPs, and if getting Cloud was this much of a hassle, getting almost any other SE character would be either incredibly resource intensive. Key word being almost. The notoriously stingy Square Enix was apparently quite happy putting not only a Geno Spirit in the game, but they went one step further and allowed for Mallow, too. Mallow wasn't in Smash 4 at all. This means that whatever agreement was reached re: Sakurai and Square Enix, it included more SMRPG content than Smash 4 had.

Well how come his Mii outfit isn't in the game then?

I believe that every single 3rd party Mii outfit is gone. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. It stands within reason that they all had a profit sharing agreement, and that instead of shelling out money to try and replace that agreement, it was easier to remove them all. I don't doubt we'll see them all in the future, probably released alongside 3rd party DLC fighters for each of the respective companies.

This is my first post on Smashboards and I think Sora is most likely. I never even heard of Geno until last week.

This isn't a question. Go post in the Sora thread.

 

[7NATOR]

We

Assuming Geno is in, here's the potential timeline:

Sakurai goes to Square Enix to get Cloud. Clearly mentions Geno as he walked away with the Geno costume and the Forest Mushrooms song.

This should be controversy free. We know this happened.

Around this time, Smash Ultimate begins development. Basic game project plan is either in progress or complete. Sakurai saves a slot for Geno, being one of the first characters planned for Ultimate.

This is speculative, but given the fact that the only DLC character Verg's sources knew months and months ago was a Square Enix one leads me to believe that this character was originally intended to be in the base game. The missing fighter in the file structure sits after Isabelle (who I believe was the first Echo Fighter, and then was upgraded to full character later in development), Incineroar (saved Pokémon slot) and before Inkling (a no-brainer character and the first one to be revealed). Whoever this character was, they were decided very early on.

Sakurai secures the rights for Everyone is Here, Square Enix gives him a hard time on Cloud.

We have info saying Cloud was added last, which makes Sakurai saying "we barely got everyone back this time" (or something along those lines) points to Square Enix demanding some sort of extra payment or concession.

To ensure that Everyone is Here, Geno is de-prioritised and made a DLC character so Nintendo and Square Enix could share profits.

Obviously also speculative, but it makes sense to me. Square Enix liked the cash flow from splitting the Cloud DLC price with Nintendo, and in order for him to return, they had to be guaranteed a similar deal. Solution? The SE character that wasn't a veteran would be made DLC so that the Everyone is Here tagline would be true. I also find it amusing that in the E3 trailer, there was a lot of focus on Cloud. He got a good double the amount of footage of any other character featured. I think Sakurai was pretty happy with himself that he got him back.

This is what I think happened. Now I can guess some questions are on their way, so I'll try to address them:

Even if you're right that the Square Enix character was in the base game, how do you know it was Geno?

It's been said plenty of times here, but recent information bears repeating the fact that Square Enix does not make it easy to negotiate. They are incredibly protective of their IPs, and if getting Cloud was this much of a hassle, getting almost any other SE character would be either incredibly resource intensive. Key word being almost. The notoriously stingy Square Enix was apparently quite happy putting not only a Geno Spirit in the game, but they went one step further and allowed for Mallow, too. Mallow wasn't in Smash 4 at all. This means that whatever agreement was reached re: Sakurai and Square Enix, it included more SMRPG content than Smash 4 had.

Well how come his Mii outfit isn't in the game then?

I believe that every single 3rd party Mii outfit is gone. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. It stands within reason that they all had a profit sharing agreement, and that instead of shelling out money to try and replace that agreement, it was easier to remove them all. I don't doubt we'll see them all in the future, probably released alongside 3rd party DLC fighters for each of the respective companies.

This is my first post on Smashboards and I think Sora is most likely. I never even heard of Geno until last week.

This isn't a question. Go post in the Sora thread.

The Xenother guy mentioned a reason for why the 3rd party costumes might be gone, he doesn't 100% believe it though

Apparently the 3rd parties didn't want Hitler Genos and Hitler Heihachis running around online, so they took them out. That's just a rumor though

 

[Inawordyes]

I wanted to bring this up again because it wasn't the focus last time I commented on it and kinda got lost in the shuffle, and I think it's an interesting question to pose.

Why would Sakurai, if the SE character is the first DLC and the SE Character is Geno, double up and go from PP to Geno when they're both from the Mario series? Why would they go back-to-back without having at least one buffer character from another series in-between?

 

[xpnc]

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The Xenother guy mentioned a reason for why the 3rd party costumes might be gone, he doesn't 100% believe it though

Apparently the 3rd parties didn't want Hitler Genos and Hitler Heihachis running around online, so they took them out. That's just a rumor though

What, every single one of them? There were like 5 different companies. I strongly doubt they all voiced the exact same concern

 

[RingJ5]

Worrying thought: The official Ultimate website has established that Piranha Plant is actually going to come with a stage and music. Considering how we’ve established the plant as making its debut in Japanese advertisements for SMRPG...

...what if that’s where the SMRPG music will come from? Not from Geno, but from the plant? We’ve also seen nothing about the stage, so that could have some SMRPG influences as well.

I wanted to bring this up again because it wasn't the focus last time I commented on it and kinda got lost in the shuffle, and I think it's an interesting question to pose.

Why would Sakurai, if the SE character is the first DLC and the SE Character is Geno, double up and go from PP to Geno when they're both from the Mario series? Why would they go back-to-back without having at least one buffer character from another series in-between?

Well, if Piranha was simply cut from the base game and Geno’s the first DLC they worked on, it’d make more sense. They weren’t intending it to be this way, but time constraints happened.

 

[Fatmanonice]

For the sake of brevity, here's the liscensing difficulty of everyone aside from Geno from easiest to hardest:

Sephiroth (just need Umetsu's music) > Sora (Disney, Shimomura's already on board) > Crono (Armor Project and Bird Studio, Mitsuda's already on board) > Slime/Luminary (Crono + Sugiyama) > Erdrick (Slime/Luminary + Heart Beat)

 

[The Anigriffin]

Worrying thought: The official Ultimate website has established that Piranha Plant is actually going to come with a stage and music. Considering how we’ve established the plant as making its debut in Japanese advertisements for SMRPG...

...what if that’s where the SMRPG music will come from? Not from Geno, but from the plant? We’ve also seen nothing about the stage, so that could have some SMRPG influences as well.

This might be a bit out there, but what if it's that supposed Minecraft content? PP already has a homestage on the website, would this be a bit of a stretch to say it could be that Minecraft stage?

 

[TheCJBrine]

Worrying thought: The official Ultimate website has established that Piranha Plant is actually going to come with a stage and music. Considering how we’ve established the plant as making its debut in Japanese advertisements for SMRPG...

...what if that’s where the SMRPG music will come from? Not from Geno, but from the plant? We’ve also seen nothing about the stage, so that could have some SMRPG influences as well.

It was actually the article on Nintendo's website (or their press website?) that mentioned Piranha Plant coming with a stage and music, but that info was removed not long after it was revealed, so it may have been false.

 

[bardbowman]

...what if that’s where the SMRPG music will come from? Not from Geno, but from the plant? We’ve also seen nothing about the stage, so that could have some SMRPG influences as well.

I'd be absolutely shocked if they gave Piranha Plant SMRPG tracks, but I'd also believe at that point Geno won't be the SE pick. As I've said before, if the music gets in without Geno, then Geno's chances go way way down.

But again, that hypo seems really far-fetched. I guess the silver lining in that case would be a cool Bean Valley stage with some good RPG remixes.

 

[childishgamgeno]

Assuming Geno is in, here's the potential timeline:

Sakurai goes to Square Enix to get Cloud. Clearly mentions Geno as he walked away with the Geno costume and the Forest Mushrooms song.

This should be controversy free. We know this happened.

Around this time, Smash Ultimate begins development. Basic game project plan is either in progress or complete. Sakurai saves a slot for Geno, being one of the first characters planned for Ultimate.

This is speculative, but given the fact that the only DLC character Verg's sources knew months and months ago was a Square Enix one leads me to believe that this character was originally intended to be in the base game. The missing fighter in the file structure sits after Isabelle (who I believe was the first Echo Fighter, and then was upgraded to full character later in development), Incineroar (saved Pokémon slot) and before Inkling (a no-brainer character and the first one to be revealed). Whoever this character was, they were decided very early on.

Sakurai secures the rights for Everyone is Here, Square Enix gives him a hard time on Cloud.

We have info saying Cloud was added last, which makes Sakurai saying "we barely got everyone back this time" (or something along those lines) points to Square Enix demanding some sort of extra payment or concession.

To ensure that Everyone is Here, Geno is de-prioritised and made a DLC character so Nintendo and Square Enix could share profits.

Obviously also speculative, but it makes sense to me. Square Enix liked the cash flow from splitting the Cloud DLC price with Nintendo, and in order for him to return, they had to be guaranteed a similar deal. Solution? The SE character that wasn't a veteran would be made DLC so that the Everyone is Here tagline would be true. I also find it amusing that in the E3 trailer, there was a lot of focus on Cloud. He got a good double the amount of footage of any other character featured. I think Sakurai was pretty happy with himself that he got him back.

This is what I think happened. Now I can guess some questions are on their way, so I'll try to address them:

Even if you're right that the Square Enix character was in the base game, how do you know it was Geno?

It's been said plenty of times here, but recent information bears repeating the fact that Square Enix does not make it easy to negotiate. They are incredibly protective of their IPs, and if getting Cloud was this much of a hassle, getting almost any other SE character would be either incredibly resource intensive. Key word being almost. The notoriously stingy Square Enix was apparently quite happy putting not only a Geno Spirit in the game, but they went one step further and allowed for Mallow, too. Mallow wasn't in Smash 4 at all. This means that whatever agreement was reached re: Sakurai and Square Enix, it included more SMRPG content than Smash 4 had.

Well how come his Mii outfit isn't in the game then?

I believe that every single 3rd party Mii outfit is gone. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. It stands within reason that they all had a profit sharing agreement, and that instead of shelling out money to try and replace that agreement, it was easier to remove them all. I don't doubt we'll see them all in the future, probably released alongside 3rd party DLC fighters for each of the respective companies.

This is my first post on Smashboards and I think Sora is most likely. I never even heard of Geno until last week.

This isn't a question. Go post in the Sora thread.

I love this theory. Also, good to know word about Geno is getting out there

Also, if Mii Costumes are compensation, maybe we aren’t getting a consolation prize this time...All other 3rd party Mii costumes show up in the game one way or the other with the exception of Geno, Heihachi, Lloyd, and Hunter. I think Akira will take any potential Heihachi representation (similar Gi and moves, and low poly model like early Tekken games) and Rathalos is representing all of MH, leaving Geno and Lloyd, who are both strong candidates for DLC.

I wanted to bring this up again because it wasn't the focus last time I commented on it and kinda got lost in the shuffle, and I think it's an interesting question to pose.

Why would Sakurai, if the SE character is the first DLC and the SE Character is Geno, double up and go from PP to Geno when they're both from the Mario series? Why would they go back-to-back without having at least one buffer character from another series in-between?

Well Smash 4 DLC had two FE Reps . And I think Geno is a bit of a unique case because he is a Mario rep, but also SE owned and heavily requested...unlike PPlant. Plus it’s Mario, Nintendo’s flashship series, they probably gonna out as many Mario characters as they want lmao

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

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The Xenother guy mentioned a reason for why the 3rd party costumes might be gone, he doesn't 100% believe it though

Apparently the 3rd parties didn't want Hitler Genos and Hitler Heihachis running around online, so they took them out. That's just a rumor though

And this is why we shouldn’t be listening to people who are 30% leaking and 70% guessing. How does that even begin to make sense? The mii costumes were used online in smash 4 (with friends) and we’re supposed to think every single third party pulled them for that reason?

 

[Icewolff92]

For the sake of brevity, here's the liscensing difficulty of everyone aside from Geno from easiest to hardest:

Sephiroth (just need Umetsu's music) > Sora (Disney, Shimomura's already on board) > Crono (Armor Project and Bird Studio, Mitsuda's already on board) > Slime/Luminary (Crono + Sugiyama) > Erdrick (Slime/Luminary + Heart Beat)

So based on what we know.. it's safe to say that Sephiroth and Geno is the two most likely considering Sora is to be out?

 

[Loliko YnT]

Worrying thought: The official Ultimate website has established that Piranha Plant is actually going to come with a stage and music. Considering how we’ve established the plant as making its debut in Japanese advertisements for SMRPG...

...what if that’s where the SMRPG music will come from? Not from Geno, but from the plant? We’ve also seen nothing about the stage, so that could have some SMRPG influences as well.



Well, if Piranha was simply cut from the base game and Geno’s the first DLC they worked on, it’d make more sense. They weren’t intending it to be this way, but time constraints happened.

It was an error , they changed it.

PP is free for a reason , she was just a character , no music and stage. She's supposed to be that silly bonus character.(and because that make the roster count a sweet 70 if we don't count echos. Ending on the 69th character beeing a buffed Fire furry cat wasn't a good move , even if It's not that important.)

And I know that PP being in a pot seem to be a nod to the SMRPG commercial , but potted PP already exist in Mario games.

And besides , except the underground theme as a new remix (again) wich music could she bring with her ? Since PPs are often see in 2D/3D platformers , and they have most of their music covered , wich music could they use ? I mean , even 3D World got a music track...
And we already have a lot of Mario stages , especially classic ones , I think they won't be able to make another one that stand out.

(And yeah I'm calling PP a she , even tho plant don't have genders.)

 

[Datboigeno]

(And yeah I'm calling PP a she , even tho plant don't have genders.)

Y tho

 

[thirsty-pocket]

Could you really imagine Wario taking place of those Shadow Mario speed run's? C'mon man, that's not Warios style ;3

I didn't mean literally filling in the same role that the shadow mario clones did, just that Wario is more interesting than them as a rival to Mario.

Besides, Wario isn't a slowpoke, he could definitely hold his own against Mario in a foot race, especially if he used some crafty tricks to get to some shortcuts.

All I'm saying is that the Mario series introduces forgettable side characters all the time that usually never show up again ( does anyone remember the blue monkey from Super Mario Galaxy 2 who was in almost every level?? ). It wouldn't kill them to throw in one of their many established characters to fill a similar role, basically just giving you a mission for your star/shine/moon or whatever.

 

[EarlTamm]

Y tho

...I guess because it was a female singer in that SMRPG commercial perhaps?

Edit: Also could be to avoid dehumanization of the character(Despite being a Piranha Plant).

 

[Loliko YnT]

Y tho

I dunno , we need more female fighters. People called Ivysaur a she just because of that.

But yeah , I should have called PP "it".

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

If there's anything I'd change about the current state of Mario games, its the barriers that any character but Mario, Luigi, Peach. Bowser, Yoshi, Toad, Bowser Junior, and the Koopalings seem to have to face to show up in a main series game.

I will say that Pauline showing up in a mainline Mario game at all (never mind a sports spin-off) was a goddamn miracle.

Then again, part of that may have been mostly due to the devs of the Mario Vs. DK games completely stopping to continue that series, seeing as they later ported Captain Toad...

I dunno , we need more female fighters. People called Ivysaur a she just because of that.

But yeah , I should have called PP "it".

Eh, wouldn't call them a girl unless they were a) specifically referred to as such or b) clearly has feminine traits.

So based on what we know.. it's safe to say that Sephiroth and Geno is the two most likely considering Sora is to be out?

That seems fair. Cloud's rival is too big to dismiss.

 

[Fatmanonice]

When it comes to Geno, it kind of kills me how easily things are set up:

-Yoko Shimomura's already on board with music

-The character designers for SMRPG still work for Square Enix

-A big chunk of the SMRPG staff literally work for Nintendo via Alpha Dream INCLUDING BOTH DIRECTORS OF SMRPG

Good golly gosh damn gosh! The gang's all here!