Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[KCCHIEFS27]

When it comes to Geno, it kind of kills me how easily things are set up:

-Yoko Shimomura's already on board with music

-The character designers for SMRPG still work for Square Enix

-A big chunk of the SMRPG staff literally work for Nintendo via Alpha Dream INCLUDING BOTH DIRECTORS OF SMRPG

Good golly gosh damn gosh! The gang's all here!

It really is insane to think about. Our biggest piece of evidence 12 years ago was that Sakurai mentioned him a good bit and the fans wanted him, and now we have countless other things going in our favor. We're to the point where if he isn't playable this time, I have to put the blame on Sakurai himself because everyone else is onboard and seems to be playing ball when it comes to Geno.

 

[Deleted member]

Good odds for Geno.


Let's see what happens.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

The planets couldn't be more aligned for this.

Or, you could say, the stars.

 

[EarlTamm]

It really is insane to think about. Our biggest piece of evidence 12 years ago was that Sakurai mentioned him a good bit and the fans wanted him, and now we have countless other things going in our favor. We're to the point where if he isn't playable this time, I have to put the blame on Sakurai himself because everyone else is onboard and seems to be playing ball when it comes to Geno.

Well, idk if we should go around blaming anyone specific. I mean, there are a multitude of factors this could go, with the major deciders in this decision being Nintendo, Sakurai and Square itself. We have no clue what those negotiations are like.

 

[Datboigeno]

When it comes to Geno, it kind of kills me how easily things are set up:

-Yoko Shimomura's already on board with music

-The character designers for SMRPG still work for Square Enix

-A big chunk of the SMRPG staff literally work for Nintendo via Alpha Dream INCLUDING BOTH DIRECTORS OF SMRPG

Good golly gosh damn gosh! The gang's all here!

Even from just a symbolic perspective it’s a no brainer. If Nintendo and SE are entering a new age of partnerships there’s no character better to represent their positive past than an OC from Mario’s first RPG developed in collaboration with Square. It makes perfect sense PR-wise.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

Well, idk if we should go around blaming anyone specific. I mean, there are a multitude of factors this could go, with the major deciders in this decision being Nintendo, Sakurai and Square itself. We have no clue what those negotiations are like.

What I mean is, in 2006 Nintendo wasn't acknowledging SMRPG's existence and there was no chance SE was ever going to work on smash bros.

In 2018 SMRPG has been re-released a ton by Nintendo and they directly tweeted about Geno. I don't think people who weren't around back in the pre-brawl days realize how significant of a change in attitude that is compared to 2006 Nintendo.

And SE is on board and have allowed the use of Geno as a mii costume and now spirit and icon AND allowed them to use Beware the Forest Mushrooms. Outside of Cloud/FF, all they've allowed to be used in Smash are SMRPG assets.

So yes, I'm going to start to put the blame on the guy who says "He'd be unique and perfect for smash and I wanted him in" after each additional game where he doesn't put him in.

Keep in mind, I think he's going to get in. I was just saying how I would personally feel if he didn't make it.

 

[EarlTamm]

What I mean is, in 2006 Nintendo wasn't acknowledging SMRPG's existence and there was no chance SE was ever going to work on smash bros.

In 2018 SMRPG has been re-released a ton by Nintendo and they directly tweeted about Geno. I don't think people who weren't around back in the pre-brawl days realize how significant of a change in attitude that is compared to 2006 Nintendo.

And SE is on board and have allowed the use of Geno as a mii costume and now spirit and icon AND allowed them to use Beware the Forest Mushrooms. Outside of Cloud/FF, all they've allowed to be used in Smash are SMRPG assets.

So yes, I'm going to start to put the blame on the guy who says "He'd be unique and perfect for smash and I wanted him in" after each additional game where he doesn't put him in.

Keep in mind, I think he's going to get in. I was just saying how I would personally feel if he didn't make it.

Wait, so you are saying that you are not going to be mad at the companies because they are indirectly advocating for Geno, but you will be mad at the guy who is directly advocating for Geno. And I would understand if it was something Sakurai said more than once, but he did only ever say it once. It's not like he has been leading us along with a treat on a string after each release.

 

[Ze Diglett]

When it comes to Geno, it kind of kills me how easily things are set up:

-Yoko Shimomura's already on board with music

-The character designers for SMRPG still work for Square Enix

-A big chunk of the SMRPG staff literally work for Nintendo via Alpha Dream INCLUDING BOTH DIRECTORS OF SMRPG

Good golly gosh damn gosh! The gang's all here!

Precisely. The pins have all been set up, now all Nintendo needs to do is knock 'em down.
Provided Square Enix lets them touch their precious bowling pins, of course.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

Wait, so you are saying that you are not going to be mad at the companies because they are indirectly advocating for Geno, but you will be mad at the guy who is directly advocating for Geno. And I would understand if it is something Sakurai said more than once, but he did only ever say it once. It's not like he has been leading us along with a treat on a string after each release.

He said he wanted to include him in Brawl and in Smash 4, so that's not true that it was one time.

The companies are providing physical proof that they are willing to embrace Geno, so now it's on Sakurai to make it happen. Believe me, if he actually wants it to happen, it will.

And I think it will

 

[Icewolff92]

It really is insane to think about. Our biggest piece of evidence 12 years ago was that Sakurai mentioned him a good bit and the fans wanted him, and now we have countless other things going in our favor. We're to the point where if he isn't playable this time, I have to put the blame on Sakurai himself because everyone else is onboard and seems to be playing ball when it comes to Geno.

Sorry, but if he isn't the blame should be on Nintendo and/or Square. He isn't the one that chose the characters from scratch. He has picked from a list of choices Nintendo gave him. No matter how much we don't want to think about it, Geno could not have been on that list in the first place which is why he got him as a spirit at least. That is in the realm of possibility

 

[childishgamgeno]

When it comes to Geno, it kind of kills me how easily things are set up:

-Yoko Shimomura's already on board with music

-The character designers for SMRPG still work for Square Enix

-A big chunk of the SMRPG staff literally work for Nintendo via Alpha Dream INCLUDING BOTH DIRECTORS OF SMRPG

Good golly gosh damn gosh! The gang's all here!

WOOOOOOO THATS CRAZY. I wonder if any of those guys are working on Smash...

It really is insane to think about. Our biggest piece of evidence 12 years ago was that Sakurai mentioned him a good bit and the fans wanted him, and now we have countless other things going in our favor. We're to the point where if he isn't playable this time, I have to put the blame on Sakurai himself because everyone else is onboard and seems to be playing ball when it comes to Geno.

Honestly, I’m blaming Square. With all this evidence, Geno’s presence as a Spirit, his missing Mii Costume among all Mii Costumes getting promoted from Smash4 and no AT in sight, AND the fact Sakurai wants him, I’m putting all my blame in a blame Spirit Bomb

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

Sorry, but if he isn't the blame should be on Nintendo and/or Square. He isn't the one that chose the characters from scratch. He has picked from a list of choices Nintendo gave him considering no matter how much we don't want to think about it, Geno could not have been on that list in the first place which is why he got him as a spirit at least.

You're lying to yourself if you really think Sakurai doesn't have the power to get a character in if he really wants them in, especially ones that have already gotten the go ahead to be in the game. It is in neither SE nor Nintendo's interest to actively prevent Geno from being a playable character

So many people have cried boogeyman at SE for the past decade, but they have shown when it comes to Geno, they're down to clown

 

[EarlTamm]

He said he wanted to include him in Brawl and in Smash 4, so that's not true that it was one time.

The companies are providing physical proof that they are willing to embrace Geno, so now it's on Sakurai to make it happen. Believe me, if he actually wants it to happen, it will.

And I think it will

I meant he only said it once, not try it multiple times. If anything, that shows his dedication. Trust me, I believe he wants him in, but I still feel like there could be many other factors we just don't know of. We don't have a full picture and there is many potential factors, no matter how unlikely they might seem to some.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

COMPLETELY FAKE , BUT STILL GOOD.

Also , I wouldn't mind Sephiroth. Just , wich stage would he bring with him?

Likely either Nibelheim ablaze and/or Planet's Core.

 

[The Anigriffin]

Honestly at this point I'd be a bit shocked if Geno wasn't the Square rep after reading about how difficult DQ characters would be to implement. What's the reveal date you guys are thinking? Game Awards? I mean, they revealed Mewtwo before Smash Wii U was officially released, so it wouldn't be that far of a reach in my opinion.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

Honestly at this point I'd be a bit shocked if Geno wasn't the Square rep after reading about how difficult DQ characters would be to implement. What's the reveal date you guys are thinking? Game Awards? I mean, they revealed Mewtwo before Smash Wii U was officially released, so it wouldn't be that far of a reach in my opinion.

God I hope. Screw DLC leaks; I need an announcement date leak

 

[Icewolff92]

You're lying to yourself if you really think Sakurai doesn't have the power to get a character in if he really wants them in, especially ones that have already gotten the go ahead to be in the game. It is in neither SE nor Nintendo's interest to actively prevent Geno from being a playable character

So many people have cried boogeyman at SE for the past decade, but they have shown when it comes to Geno, they're down to clown

Sorry, but I think you are overestimating Sakurai's power here. Nintendo is the one calling the shots and it's not Iwata that is the CEO right now. We have no idea what the relationship between the current one and Sakurai is. For what we know, there is a contract point from the start that Nintendo put before the production that had them giving him the list for DLC. Heck for what we know, Square put Nintendo in a corner saying that if they wanted Cloud back, they had to add someone they wanted to push which I don't see so unlikely if the rumors of them being the hardest one to talk to is true.

 

[JarBear]

Honestly at this point I'd be a bit shocked if Geno wasn't the Square rep after reading about how difficult DQ characters would be to implement. What's the reveal date you guys are thinking? Game Awards? I mean, they revealed Mewtwo before Smash Wii U was officially released, so it wouldn't be that far of a reach in my opinion.

I too wonder if they will do a reveal of at least the first DLC character before the release. The timing is perfect for VGA. Or there could be a "quick" direct announced on Tuesday for a Thursday to reveal it as well. It would be a good way to help stir up excitment for the DLC and persuade those who have not per-ordered it to do so.

Not the whole line up, but at least the first one. Then spread the rest throughout the 2 years.

 

[MajoraMan28]

COMPLETELY FAKE , BUT STILL GOOD.

Also , I wouldn't mind Sephiroth. Just , wich stage would he bring with him?

There are two great possibilites.
1) The Northern Crater, location of the end of FFVII
2) Junon, the city of the huge cannon. Honestly, I think this is the most likely choice.

EDIT: Considering the stage has to be associated with the character, I take it back. Maybe the Northern Crater is the stage to come.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly at this point I'd be a bit shocked if Geno wasn't the Square rep after reading about how difficult DQ characters would be to implement. What's the reveal date you guys are thinking? Game Awards? I mean, they revealed Mewtwo before Smash Wii U was officially released, so it wouldn't be that far of a reach in my opinion.

I hope so It could definitely happen, especially with the tweet that AugustusB brought up

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

WOOOOOOO THATS CRAZY. I wonder if any of those guys are working on Smash...



Honestly, I’m blaming Square. With all this evidence, Geno’s presence as a Spirit, his missing Mii Costume among all Mii Costumes getting promoted from Smash4 and no AT in sight, AND the fact Sakurai wants him, I’m putting all my blame in a blame Spirit Bomb

If they're to blame, Geno ought to specifically blow them up.

 

[domriver]

This is kind of the reason I feel so good about Geno's chances. The fact that we're being told a SE character is coming with literally no new SE content being added into Ultimate other than a Mallow Spirit, I'm having a hard time believing they negotiated the rights to any entirely new characters and just held Geno off for DLC because SE loves their DLC shekels.

Geno and at least Beware the Forest Mushrooms song rights were given at least for Smash 4 and it seems there's no reason for them not to carry over to Smash Ultimate for them to capitalize on a heavily demanded character with very little additional negotiations needed

You would think right?

COMPLETELY FAKE , BUT STILL GOOD.

Also , I wouldn't mind Sephiroth. Just , wich stage would he bring with him?

Love it!

When it comes to Geno, it kind of kills me how easily things are set up:

-Yoko Shimomura's already on board with music

-The character designers for SMRPG still work for Square Enix

-A big chunk of the SMRPG staff literally work for Nintendo via Alpha Dream INCLUDING BOTH DIRECTORS OF SMRPG

Good golly gosh damn gosh! The gang's all here!

The setup couldn't be better for Geno. It really can't all thats left is just to CONFIRM HIM AND BE DONE omg!! hurry. LOL

 

[Deleted member]

Man, I can't believe the reason for Square Enix not agreeing to add Geno in Brawl could have been because they couldn't make any money off of him.....I've only been supporting Geno for Smash for a few months, but I never understood that Square Enix was this much of a cheap***....

 

[UberPyro64]

Don't overhype yourselves guys. We all said he would be in the base game and he wasn't. There is a good chance he won't be DLC either.

Basically, have hope for Geno, but don't expect him. That way if he is in, it'll be a big amazing surprise.

 

[Icewolff92]

I too wonder if they will do a reveal of at least the first DLC character before the release. The timing is perfect for VGA. Or there could be a "quick" direct announced on Tuesday for a Thursday to reveal it as well. It would be a good way to help stir up excitment for the DLC and persuade those who have not per-ordered it to do so.

Not the whole line up, but at least the first one. Then spread the rest throughout the 2 years.

I could easily see someone being announced tied to a new release.
Geno together with potential SMRPG remake and/or sequel announcement
Banjo & Kazooie together with the announcement of an N64 classic if those rumors are to be believed.
Fire Emblem Three House Rep (sorry but I think it's pretty possible that is going to happen even if it's not at VGA) with a new trailer for that game
Slime or Eldrick (if they manage the legal rights) together with the next installment of DQ that is happening on Switch
Sora with an announcement of KH ports if the info of him isn't true and he said to not be in is the red herring.
Sephiroth in order to market the release of FF or some new potential FF content to Switch
I thought about Gen8 trailer with a Gen8 Pokemon, but that's too early.

Don't overhype yourselves guys. We all said he would be in the base game and he wasn't. There is a good chance he won't be DLC either.

Basically, have hope for Geno, but don't expect him. That way if he is in, it'll be a big amazing surprise.

Exactly. We don't want another Grinch 2.0 so to speak

 

[Deleted member]

I could easily see someone being announced tied to a new release.
Geno together with potential SMRPG remake and/or sequel announcement
Banjo & Kazooie together with the announcement of an N64 classic if those rumors are to be believed.
Fire Emblem Three House Rep (sorry but I think it's pretty possible that is going to happen even if it's not at VGA) with a new trailer for that game
Slime or Eldrick (if they manage the legal rights) together with the next installment of DQ that is happening on Switch
Sora with an announcement of KH ports if the info of him isn't true and he said to not be in is the red herring.
Sephiroth in order to market the release of FF or some new potential FF content to Switch
I thought about Gen8 trailer with a Gen8 Pokemon, but that's too early.

About Banjo-Kazooie, I think they will be one of the DLC, but didn't Reggie confirm no N64 Classic happening anytime soon?

 

[Icewolff92]

If they're to blame, Geno ought to specifically blow them up.

What tweet?

 

[slopdop]

For me it feels like it's coming down to between Geno and Sephiroth from what I've read so far and Chef Sakurai is about to give them both a key to unlock and open the winning door for the DLC slot.

It's been a wild week from what I've read so far and I'm pushing the last of my hopes for Geno in these final weeks assuming there's only one Square character left in Ultimate's future and if it will be the first character out of the gate. I have to wonder if in another timeline like this one if Geno had not been as heavily supported and voted for these past years, would we have come to this point where Square was still rumored to have the first DLC character? Is Geno truly the character that has gotten Square to have first dibs on DLC?

Regardless, you guys have made great and interesting points about all contenders from Square and I truly hope the end result will be amazing. Again thank you PolarPanda for everything so far, really sucks about Isaac. I would've loved to have participated in a Geno vs Isaac tournament that people were suggesting months ago.

 

[Icewolff92]

About Banjo-Kazooie, I think they will be one of the DLC, but didn't Reggie confirm no N64 Classis happening anytime soon?

Yes, he did, but that honestly doesn't mean anything. People in his position lies all the time. Of course, he wasn't going to confirm it if they had planned to announce it on another date. Granted, he could be honest.... but yeah.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

What tweet?

No tweet, there was a flash animation back in the days of Brawl about Geno blowing up Japan in retaliation to not getting in, IIRC. At least one DA drawing referenced this in a sight gag.

Yes, he did, but that honestly doesn't mean anything. People in his position lies all the time. Of course, he wasn't going to confirm it if they had planned to announce it on another date. Granted, he could be honest.... but yeah.

I took his response as "we're not planning about it right now, but who knows?".

 

[domriver]

Don't overhype yourselves guys. We all said he would be in the base game and he wasn't. There is a good chance he won't be DLC either.

Basically, have hope for Geno, but don't expect him. That way if he is in, it'll be a big amazing surprise.

Hype responsibly.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

Don't overhype yourselves guys. We all said he would be in the base game and he wasn't. There is a good chance he won't be DLC either.

Basically, have hope for Geno, but don't expect him. That way if he is in, it'll be a big amazing surprise.

I think literally no one "expect's' him 100%

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

Agreed. It's sad how they're always regulated to their own little universe.

Now, I love the minions, especially in Super Mario Party, but the RPG characters need some love, too. I'm sure plenty of people would love for the chance to play as characters like Geno, Vivian, Dimentio, Fawful, etc. in something. Mainly because they actually HAVE a character to them.

(On another note, I also think Wario characters, from both the Land and Ware series, need more outside of their games...)

Make another Mario baseball game for the Switch, PLEASE! I loved the last two, and let's hope Camelot Software Planning also takes part in the development. I believe we'll get an even bigger roster this time! Please, sign me the **** up if they can get all of these characters in the roster.

Spoiler: List of characters:

New Mario characters:
Dr. Mario
Rosalina
Pauline
Captain Toad
Cappy
The dog from Odyssey (Hell yeah, I'm serious!)
Volbonan (If a goomba can hold a bat, then so can they)
Fawful
Dimentio

Nintendo guests:
Link
Kirby
Inkling (Female and male)
Villager
Isabelle
Fox
Ness

Camelot guests:
Isaac
Matthew

The WarioWare guests:
Ashley
Jimmy T.
Dribble
Spitz
9-Volt
Orbulon
Young Cricket
Dr. Crygor
18-Volt

The Rare guests:
Banjo & Kazooie
Conker

The Square Enix guests:
Black Mage
White Mage
Geno
Mallow
Boshi
Croco
Cactuar
Moogle
Ninja

 

[Icewolff92]

No tweet, there was a flash animation back in the days of Brawl about Geno blowing up Japan in retaliation to not getting in, IIRC. At least one DA drawing referenced this in a sight gag.



I took his response as "we're not planning about it right now, but who knows?".

Which was the smart thing to do. Because then, you could technically say based on the choice of words that he neither confirm or deny it now that I looked over his comment about it.

 

[domriver]

A bit off topic but does anyone know if Square Enix intends to be at the game awards this year? Just curious? Im expecting Reggie to be there :D

 

[RingJ5]

Something that I haven’t seen pointed out much is the simple fact that Chrono Trigger was totally missing from the SNES Classic, a device released last year. You’d think that if they were planning for Crono all this time, they’d do something about that, introduce his game to a giant new audience and such. While I’m not saying that’s why they included SMRPG or anything like that(it’d likely be in no matter what), if they supposedly planned out literally everything back in 2015 including Crono, the absence of his game on the Classic becomes particularly odd.

It was an error , they changed it.

PP is free for a reason , she was just a character , no music and stage. She's supposed to be that silly bonus character.(and because that make the roster count a sweet 70 if we don't count echos. Ending on the 69th character beeing a buffed Fire furry cat wasn't a good move , even if It's not that important.)

And I know that PP being in a pot seem to be a nod to the SMRPG commercial , but potted PP already exist in Mario games.

And besides , except the underground theme as a new remix (again) wich music could she bring with her ? Since PPs are often see in 2D/3D platformers , and they have most of their music covered , wich music could they use ? I mean , even 3D World got a music track...
And we already have a lot of Mario stages , especially classic ones , I think they won't be able to make another one that stand out.

(And yeah I'm calling PP a she , even tho plant don't have genders.)

Potted Pirahna Plants actually did not exist in Nintendo-produced media before that ad. Technically a very different design of them popped up in that old Mario cartoon beforehand, but Nintendo barely had any creative control on that.

 

[Sovereign Trinity]

I think Geno getting his own game that still involved Mario elements (like some characters and enemies) would be cool. He definitely needs more exposure.


There are so many things you could learn about Geno in the process!
1. Where does he live on the Star Road?

Now that I think about it, Mario could've passed by Geno's home 6 years before they met each other.
Remember when we all went to Star Road in Super Mario World? I can't believe we were all going to fall in love with a star from there, and we had no clue until 6 years later...

 

[xpnc]

Excellent work by the SiIvagunner channel

 

[dreamstar_g]

if they give us geno dlc i will record myself eating a picture of him

 

[Deleted member]

if they give us geno dlc i will record myself eating a picture of him

If Geno gets in, I will eat the Piranha Plant and PhilosophicAnimal 's Geno pie

Btw I am actually not a gamepad