Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Fatmanonice]

Don't overhype yourselves guys. We all said he would be in the base game and he wasn't. There is a good chance he won't be DLC either.

Basically, have hope for Geno, but don't expect him. That way if he is in, it'll be a big amazing surprise.

Why not? I don't understand this reasoning. Cloud wasn't base roster either in Snash 4. We've long since established that Square isn't willing to do anything without being paid extra. What's changed? I don't understand why this principle doesn't apply to any other Square character. Literally just Geno. Hype responsibly, sure, but no one's saying it's 100%, we're just saying all the pieces are there and the only real obstacle is if 1. if Nintendo doesn't ask or 2. if Square Enix flat out says no. That's where we're at.

 

[Deleted member]

Why not? I don't understand this reasoning. Cloud wasn't base roster either in Snash 4. We've long since established that Square isn't willing to do anything without being paid extra. What's changed? I don't understand why this principle doesn't apply to any other Square character. Literally just Geno. Hype responsibly, sure, but no one's saying it's 100%, we're just saying all the pieces are there and the only real obstacle is if 1. if Nintendo doesn't ask or 2. if Square Enix flat out says no. That's where we're at.

And those two scenarios you mentioned shouldn't be too much of an issue, since Super Mario RPG was on the SNES Classic at the time Geno may have been planned for Ultimate and NoA acknowledging SMRPG's 22nd anniversary, and Sakurai and Nintendo already having the rights to Geno for Ultimate, as evidence by the battle token and the spirit

 

[MajoraMan28]

A bit off topic but does anyone know if Square Enix intends to be at the game awards this year? Just curious? Im expecting Reggie to be there :D

Yes. Ironically, they're there to compete for Best RPG of the Year for their work in Dragon Quest XI.
And you can bet they'll win

 

[Nazyrus]

Don't overhype yourselves guys. We all said he would be in the base game and he wasn't. There is a good chance he won't be DLC either.

Basically, have hope for Geno, but don't expect him. That way if he is in, it'll be a big amazing surprise.

Thanks but we don't need hype police here.

 

[MajoraMan28]

Thanks but we don't need hype police here.

Considering what some people here have been saying and ignoring, I think it warrants the hype police. Some here are setting themselves up for either great happiness or great disappointment. I don't want to diminish the hype of others, but I think you should be careful to not be destroyed by the result. And it won't be one party to blame only, if that's the case.

 

[JarBear]

I understand the sentiment, I really do. I am one of those who does not believe Geno is a lock. I want him really bad.

but unfortunately for me, I will be crushed anyway if he isn't as DLC....

 

[Deleted member]

Considering what some people here have been saying and ignoring, I think it warrants the hype police. Some here are setting themselves up for either great happiness or great disappointment. I don't want to diminish the hype of others, but I think you should be careful to not be destroyed by the result. And it won't be one party to blame only, if that's the case.

Then again, none of us are saying that he is going to happen, we think he is likely, which is definitely fair to say. Plus, we are all free to feel however we want, if anyone doesn't want to be overhyped, then they may, but we don't need hype police

 

[TheCJBrine]

I can hype for a character I want to the maximum, or I could not.

Either way, I end up with disappointment, but still with a great game.

Anyway, I'm wondering about Square.

Nintendo would ask them for a specific character in mind, and Square could say no, but would they bother with any other suggestions...? Sakurai specifically went to them for Cloud, clearly bringing up Geno or else we wouldn't have the mii costume, which may have been compensation a la Ultimate (if that info is true) since Cloud was priority; although this also makes me afraid that they may still not see this stuff as a graveyard.

 

[RingJ5]

Yes. Ironically, they're there to compete for Best RPG of the Year for their work in Dragon Quest XI.
And you can bet they'll win

Absolutely not, because the TGAs count Monster Hunter World as an RPG. If they win that and we get a Smash announcement for a DQ character, expect there to be notable rioting regarding everything being obviously rigged for promo purposes.

Edit: Got my game awards shows mixed up, the revival category is part of CBS’ show, not TGA.

 

[Deleted member]

I understand the sentiment, I really do. I am one of those who does not believe Geno is a lock. I want him really bad.

but unfortunately for me, I will be crushed anyway if he isn't as DLC....

Me too, man. Even though he has more going for him than he did for the base roster, I still won't say he's a lock, or any character for that matter. I am really confident in him though

 

[Icewolff92]

Why not? I don't understand this reasoning. Cloud wasn't base roster either in Snash 4. We've long since established that Square isn't willing to do anything without being paid extra. What's changed? I don't understand why this principle doesn't apply to any other Square character. Literally just Geno. Hype responsibly, sure, but no one's saying it's 100%, we're just saying all the pieces are there and the only real obstacle is if 1. if Nintendo doesn't ask or 2. if Square Enix flat out says no. That's where we're at.

People are afraid that we are getting a Grinch 2.0. Nothing more than that

 

[Fatmanonice]

Considering what some people here have been saying and ignoring, I think it warrants the hype police. Some here are setting themselves up for either great happiness or great disappointment. I don't want to diminish the hype of others, but I think you should be careful to not be destroyed by the result. And it won't be one party to blame only, if that's the case.

That's their responsibility then. Life is predominantly disappointments and I think most people here have emotionally worked their way through things with more gravity than a video game character not making a fighting game roster. It's not like we're all going to go drink ourselves to death if Geno isn't in. Hell, there were Ridley fans who tried to basically brick Smashboards when he wasn't in Smash 4 so the bar is set pretty high for inappropriately dealing with disappointment.

 

[JuryRigging]

Considering what some people here have been saying and ignoring, I think it warrants the hype police. Some here are setting themselves up for either great happiness or great disappointment. I don't want to diminish the hype of others, but I think you should be careful to not be destroyed by the result. And it won't be one party to blame only, if that's the case.

I don't mean to accuse, but it seems to me that you don't have a lot of faith in us. I think most of us are used to tempering our expectations by now. As of late, a lot of variables have been playing in Geno's favor for his inclusion, which is the reason for all the excitement in this thread. If it doesn't happen though, I don't think people here will be too surprised or shocked and take the L gracefully. Live and let live; if disappointment is imminent, so be it.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Plus, as KCchief eloquently put it the other day, we're used to getting BTFO. 13 years with a no show in Brawl and a Mii Costume literally at the finish line for Smash 4. If anything, disappointment is one of the glues that holds this fanbase together.

 

[Datboigeno]

Considering what some people here have been saying and ignoring, I think it warrants the hype police. Some here are setting themselves up for either great happiness or great disappointment. I don't want to diminish the hype of others, but I think you should be careful to not be destroyed by the result. And it won't be one party to blame only, if that's the case.

If someone wants to be hype they should be allowed to be hype. This is the ****ing Geno hype thread ffs. It's super annoying that literally everyday people start being very positive about Geno and saying things are lined up in his favor or start speculating about things and other people jump in and try to tell them to calm down and **** or that we should "just wait and see" instead of discussing things. Yikes, no. We want to ****ing talk about Geno and be hype about Geno. That's the point of the ****ing thread. Express your skepticism. Skepticism is healthy and welcome and regularly voiced here. But users should really stop telling other people what to do/how to feel about **** in this thread. No one is seeing those posts and thinking "Gee golly gosh thank goodness some rando on the internet told me not to be too excited about something I'm hoping for". If I were a betting man I'd say more people are just rolling their eyes and getting annoyed over seeing random ass people reminding everyone that Geno isn't a for sure thing and SE could pick someone else as if that's some big revelation to people who regularly comment here. I'm not sure if the people posting this **** lack reading comprehension skills, but the majority of posts saying things seem to be lining up in Geno's favor also say "Square would be stupid if they didn't" or "It'd be crazy if this didn't happen". As in there's the very real possibility for SE to screw the pooch so to speak. People keep restating they don't think he's a 100% lock even if they are positive about him. This **** is just so annoying to see every single day.

 

[DaxMasterix]

COMPLETELY FAKE , BUT STILL GOOD.

Also , I wouldn't mind Sephiroth. Just , wich stage would he bring with him?

I preffer this one

 

[Fatmanonice]

I think we have a right to be annoyed about it too because I don't see this in the Banjo, Shantae, or Bandana Waddle Dee threads. I haven't seen it anywhere else for that matter. Like I bemoaned the other day, we get scolded for being optimistic.

 

[valkiriforce]

If Geno makes it in, hooray. If not, I'll just keep coming back until he does. It's that simple.

 

[bardbowman]

Considering what some people here have been saying and ignoring, I think it warrants the hype police. Some here are setting themselves up for either great happiness or great disappointment. I don't want to diminish the hype of others, but I think you should be careful to not be destroyed by the result. And it won't be one party to blame only, if that's the case.

We're Geno fans. We've been through rejection and disappointment many times already, so it's not going to destroy us if it turns out he isn't DLC. Honestly, the tenacity of this fanbase is one of its strongest qualities. And honestly, I think that continuous rejection has made us a more realistic fanbase as well. Hardly anyone is saying he's a 100% lock. We know what we're dealing with here. Nintendo does weird things sometimes.

What we're talking about are the reasons why it would make sense for Geno to be the SE rep. Honestly, the fact that we can even argue that he has a chance is exciting, because it's a testament to Geno fans. This is a group that rallied behind a "literal who one-off side-character" owned by a company tightfisted with their IP. Back at the start, no one thought he could ever possibly make it in Smash.

And here we are today, where Geno's chances have arguably never been better. And that's thanks in very (very) large part to his loyal fans, who wouldn't be here today if they didn't know how to take years and years of disappointment.

 

[Rummy]

Hey Fatmanonice Do you have anyway i can contact you privately?

 

[Bremy]

Hey everyone! Been following the thread and just wanted to say thanks for bringing the positivity regarding our little wooden puppet. I've wanted him in since Brawl as well, and I do think there is a good chance for him to be in as well. Things just line up way too much. If he was just going to be a spirit and nothing else, one would think that Nintendo would have shown off the Geno and Mallow spirits by now, not just some random player token, like they did with characters like Shante. In fact, we wouldn't even know they were in there if it wasn't for the leak. It just seems odd to me, that's all.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Hey Fatmanonice Do you have anyway i can contact you privately?

DM is fine.

Speaking of BTFO, Dragon Quest XI competition is Monster Hunter World, the best selling Capcom game of all time with more than 10 million copies sold.

 

[MajoraMan28]

That's their responsibility then. Life is predominantly disappointments and I think most people here have emotionally worked their way through things with more gravity than a video game character not making a fighting game roster. It's not like we're all going to go drink ourselves to death if Geno isn't in. Hell, there were Ridley fans who tried to basically brick Smashboards when he wasn't in Smash 4 so the bar is set pretty high for inappropriately dealing with disappointment.

Wow
Didn't know that happened. XD
Definitely not expecting something like this again. And I'm not saying this aiming at a good portion of the community here. I'm saying that I've seen people here that could be setting themselves up for a punch if things go wrong.
I'm just trying to be nice by saying it to make these people reevaluate if they are taking this a bit too overboard with hype.
And let me tell you, this fandom impressed me for over a decade already. I'm aware of what you had to endure. So no, it's not that I don't have faith in you guys. I do. But I've seen a small people here that could get way too sad, and I hate seeing this happen.

Absolutely not, because the TGAs count Monster Hunter World as an RPG. If they win that and we get a Smash announcement for a DQ character, expect there to be notable rioting regarding everything being obviously rigged for promo purposes.

Edit: Got my game awards shows mixed up, the revival category is part of CBS’ show, not TGA.

Great call. Forgot MHW was there. And since it has such a western appeal, it may get the prize. But I feel like DQXI can garner votes and hype. That Kotaku guy sure made the impact with his DQ video. And he surely will go out trying to get votes for the game. And tbh, I think that game is a lot more solid than MH.

 

[DaxMasterix]

Wow
Didn't know that happened. XD
Definitely not expecting something like this again. And I'm not saying this aiming at a good portion of the community here. I'm saying that I've seen people here that could be setting themselves up for a punch if things go wrong.

Do you care if I punch myself?

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

Plus, as KCchief eloquently put it the other day, we're used to getting BTFO. 13 years with a no show in Brawl and a Mii Costume literally at the finish line for Smash 4. If anything, disappointment is one of the glues that holds this fanbase together.

Exactly

I just don’t see the reason why we shouldn’t be positive about this. If you’re sitting in the thread trying to downplay everything Geno has going for him while stating that you’re a Geno supporter, what are you doing?

I’m a grown man and I don’t need people to tell me that I might be let down at the end of this. We’ve been around long enough to know exactly what we signed up for

 

[MajoraMan28]

Do you care if I punch myself?

That was figuratively speaking my dude. XD

 

[Fatmanonice]

Let's just go ahead and pinky promise that if Geno's not in that we'll do the most rational thing and kill ourselves one by one and Livestream it on Twitch.

 

[Wazygoose]

Against DQ:

It’d just make SE way too much money compared to what Nintendo would get. Think about it. Smash creates and revives franchises, and having a DQ character is basically directly advertising to your target audience and getting them excited. SE could actually PAY Nintendo money to include DQ and still end out way on top from the deal. Would Nintendo want to promote another franchise like that? It’s not like FF or something that doesn’t need revival or promotion.

Against Crono:

I have never really seen a demand from Crono until seeing him in this thread a couple days ago. He just wouldn’t get in over Geno. They’re in the same genre that’s the same age and never appeared again after. He really doesn’t serve any kind of historical purpose either, not compared to Geno at least.

Against Sephiroth:

Why add another FFVII character instead of a different FF character or monster or something? And the whole music and stage bit.

Against Geno:

I’m just not confident Nintendo is capable of understanding its fans (unlike Sakurai). Lately my supporting example has been Super Mario Party, which does not have an online mode for the full board game. Like, they could have rereleased Mario Party 1 and just made it online-capable (the full board game, not just mini games), and people would have loved it. There’s literally no reason I can fathom why they wouldn’t make it online-capable. They clearly have the ability, and the want exists, and it would improve the game. But they inscrutably just won’t do what every other modern multiplayer game does, they can have a great idea, even just a common-sense one, sitting right in front of their faces and they just ignore it. Hence the apprehension Geno will not be a character despite all obvious benefits he brings.

 

[Deleted member]

Wow
Didn't know that happened. XD
Definitely not expecting something like this again. And I'm not saying this aiming at a good portion of the community here. I'm saying that I've seen people here that could be setting themselves up for a punch if things go wrong.
I'm just trying to be nice by saying it to make these people reevaluate if they are taking this a bit too overboard with hype.
And let me tell you, this fandom impressed me for over a decade already. I'm aware of what you had to endure. So no, it's not that I don't have faith in you guys. I do. But I've seen a small people here that could get way too sad, and I hate seeing this happen.


Great call. Forgot MHW was there. And since it has such a western appeal, it may get the prize. But I feel like DQXI can garner votes and hype. That Kotaku guy sure made the impact with his DQ video. And he surely will go out trying to get votes for the game. And tbh, I think that game is a lot more solid than MH.

Except the only thing is that none of us are saying that he is definitely coming, and we have the right to feel positively about him regardless

 

[ChoccyStar]

Let's just go ahead and pinky promise that if Geno's not in that we'll do the most rational thing and kill ourselves one by one and Livestream it on Twitch.

There's always Smash 6.

 

[EarlTamm]

I’m just not confident Nintendo is capable of understanding its fans (unlike Sakurai). Lately my supporting example has been Super Mario Party, which does not have an online mode for the full board game. Like, they could have rereleased Mario Party 1 and just made it online-capable (the full board game, not just mini games), and people would have loved it. There’s literally no reason I can fathom why they wouldn’t make it online-capable. They clearly have the ability, and the want exists, and it would improve the game. But they inscrutably just won’t do what every other modern multiplayer game does, they can have a great idea, even just a common-sense one, sitting right in front of their faces and they just ignore it. Hence the apprehension Geno will not be a character despite all obvious benefits he brings.

I will agree that Nintendo seems to have this quirk of having trouble with online, but besides that they have been doing decently well with things on a company wide basis. Heck, look at what happened yesterday.

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— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) November 29, 2018

 

[Nazyrus]

I don't mean to accuse, but it seems to me that you don't have a lot of faith in us. I think most of us are used to tempering our expectations by now. As of late, a lot of variables have been playing in Geno's favor for his inclusion, which is the reason for all the excitement in this thread. If it doesn't happen though, I don't think people here will be too surprised or shocked and take the L gracefully. Live and let live; if disappointment is imminent, so be it.

If someone wants to be hype they should be allowed to be hype. This is the ****ing Geno hype thread ffs. It's super annoying that literally everyday people start being very positive about Geno and saying things are lined up in his favor or start speculating about things and other people jump in and try to tell them to calm down and **** or that we should "just wait and see" instead of discussing things. Yikes, no. We want to ****ing talk about Geno and be hype about Geno. That's the point of the ****ing thread. Express your skepticism. Skepticism is healthy and welcome and regularly voiced here. But users should really stop telling other people what to do/how to feel about **** in this thread. No one is seeing those posts and thinking "Gee golly gosh thank goodness some rando on the internet told me not to be too excited about something I'm hoping for". If I were a betting man I'd say more people are just rolling their eyes and getting annoyed over seeing random *** people reminding everyone that Geno isn't a for sure thing and SE could pick someone else as if that's some big revelation to people who regularly comment here. I'm not sure if the people posting this **** lack reading comprehension skills, but the majority of posts saying things seem to be lining up in Geno's favor also say "Square would be stupid if they didn't" or "It'd be crazy if this didn't happen". As in there's the very real possibility for SE to screw the pooch so to speak. People keep restating they don't think he's a 100% lock even if they are positive about him. This **** is just so annoying to see every single day.

Precisely, this is a support thread, not a downer thread. I just hate this hype police kind of people coming around to lower the hype we are trying to keep for a character we are supporting. Let the downers be on the general discussion thread and let us get as hype as we want.

 

[AugustusB]

Exactly

I just don’t see the reason why we shouldn’t be positive about this. If you’re sitting in the thread trying to downplay everything Geno has going for him while stating that you’re a Geno supporter, what are you doing?

I’m a grown man and I don’t need people to tell me that I might be let down at the end of this. We’ve been around long enough to know exactly what we signed up for

Amen to that! This group has been hyping in good terms as oppose to "YEAH GENO IS IN!!! WOOOOOOOOoooooo" but he's..'SHUT IT NAY SAYER!!! REEEEEEeeeee..."

We are all helping each other as well from time to time by some playing devil's advocate and keeping us on our toes. You guys know who you are and I appreciate it.

We support not only Geno, but each other.

 

[coolcat12347]

I've been trying to keep people's hopes up a bit, I think it's just... Too early to give up?

 

[xpnc]

DM is fine.

Speaking of BTFO, Dragon Quest XI competition is Monster Hunter World, the best selling Capcom game of all time with more than 10 million copies sold.

Yeah if there was any game going to have associated dlc announced with it at the game awards it'd be monster hunter, not dragon quest

 

[Krooli]

Hey guys I was out doing work and all that plus I kinda overslept what did I miss while I was gone?

 

[AugustusB]

Hey guys I was out doing work and all that plus I kinda overslept what did I miss while I was gone?

I don't think anything has happened today amigo. We just waiting for more info and things to happen.

 

[Fatmanonice]

There's always Smash 6.

I'll be close to 40 by then. I think I'm already the Boomiest Boomer in this thread. Probably retire from Smash speculation and do something more constructive and less stressful like cook meth.

 

[Paperluigi11]

Honestly, I think the Grinch leak is one of the best things to happen for a lot of the characters on it. It may have been disappointing that the leak was fake, but I think it sent a clear message to Nintendo that those characters are very much wanted. If their was any discussion about who to pick from Square while the Grinch leak was spreading, or afterward even, I think it definitely would have been taken into consideration.

 

[EarlTamm]

I'll be close to 40 by then. I think I'm already the Boomiest Boomer in this thread. Probably retire from Smash speculation and do something more constructive and less stressful like cook meth.

I am gonna be honest, this immediately popped into my head while reading this.