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I've speculated before that, since this Pass has six characters instead of just five, we might be seeing a double-dip of sorts, specifically two characters from one company... but what if we're also getting two characters from one franchise? That's at least one situation I can see where we end up getting both Starboy and Wahboy in the same Pass.
Ridley's Flower Shop
Nintendo Business Simulator, where each day progresses fairly normally with doing paperwork, managing inventory, making deliveries, etc. but at the end of the day business competitors knock on the door and you have to physically fight them to keep your store open in town.
Exactly. Kind of like the mistake me and my sources made with 5. "Oh, Bethesda is getting content? That has to mean Bethesda is getting a playable character, right?"
Hmm, a particularly loud fanbase for a Snes Game. Not pokemon, Mario is well represented, Metroid is already online. Doubtful is f - Zero.
Now watch as the next several Spirit Events are just more Square Enix series getting shot down, in a countdown leading to Fighter 7 being a Square Enix character.
This is an interesting idea but I don't see how it would imply the possibility of BOTH Geno and Waluigi which Papa acknowledged pretty clearly as a possibility. Definitely outside the box thinking though and I wonder if it is connected somehow like maybe multiple factors adding up to a big evidence pile for potentially either or both characters to get content of some kind. Also, this makes sense since it pretty explicitly implies something with Smash which wouldn't necessarily be the case with stuff just in regards to Mario.
I would faint if those two are the next two characters. My 3rd most wanted Dixie Kong and 9th most wanted Geno.
OMG!!! Geno, Dixie Kong, and Porky all in FP2? I think I would die happy.View attachment 277664
SoFatmanonice you're saying 3 NES titles will get announcements that follow them, right? Given everything I've seen so far, here's what I'm speculating only based on everything I've seen in this thread so far:
1. New Donkey Game after DKC3 gets ported/ Dixie Kong for Smash
2. New Earthbound Game after all earthbound games are ported / Porky for Smash
3. Remake of SMRPG (kinda doubt this part at least) / Geno for Smash (if what you said is true, this is basically guaranteed at this point)
Overall would be a solid FP, that is if all of them are tied to Smash like that, which I doubt since I still think at least half will be 3rd party. Still, pretty rockin' FP if this is what they're going for. Again, this is just my speculation.
They did not pull Legacy XP down with Riddley, which begs the question of why they would put it down if Waluigi would be added. Then we also have Geno, but Square could just have asked Nintendo for it because they want to use him for something that is not necessarily Smash Brothers (remake of SMRPG?) or they just suddenly want to do a Nintendo and go berserk on every little fanproject
You know, that one has me thinking.
I’m leaning towards it being the Legacy XP takedown due to Papa mentioning a few other characters who could fit the bill but are just very unlikely. The other characters in Legacy besides Geno and Waluigi are Metal Sonic and Shadow, right? Not saying it can’t happen, but I seriously doubt Sonic is getting a DLC character.
My guess is that it may have to do with Legacy XP. He may have been told more info on why the mod was shut down. That's the only thing I can think of currently that would boost specifically Waluigi and Geno's chances w/o fully suggesting they are playable
Was it not all talk about 1 bonus character? If we get four more, they might as well do a third fighters pass.
My god Fatman, you're getting galaxy-brained, aren't ya? I love it. I would also absolutely love if we got more characters (such as a Nintendo character pass after Vol. 2), but... don't you think that's a bit optimistic? I mean sure, Sakurai can always work on more, but (and at the risk of this being screen-capped and me looking like an absolute idiot) I feel like Vol. 2 could potentially be the last. I mean I'll just think that until Sakurai says otherwise, since this wave of DLC is already taking a really long time and I don't know how much longer Nintendo will go for. Now yes, Sakurai already said he will continue working on Smash if asked and Nintendo obviously likes money, but Nintendo doesn't always do the logical/profitable thing, now do they? Also would they already have 4 Nintendo characters in mind after Vol. 2 even though we are still really early in this wave of DLC? Sure, they obviously could and I'm just going off of assumptions as well, but Vol. 2 wasn't decided on until like halfway through the first wave I'm pretty sure. Again, I'd love more characters, but this does seem a little too good to be true (though to be fair, a lot of Ultimate feels that way).
Since January I've entertained at least two and this just expands the model to the full four before the game ****s itself and dies. Like I said, new things coming to light since January suggests that bonus aren't nearly as far fetched as people would expect.
Fatmanonice
just wrote about the theory of "mini-packs" and that extra content coming to the game could actually fix a lot of questions I was having with the DLC based on what we know so far, such as:
Idk Fatman. I want to believe I really do but...I don't. It just doesn't seem to add up and is just too subjective. Who's to say Microsoft wouldn't be the special part of the pass opposed to Namco that doesn't come with a bonus like ARMS because it's freaking Microsoft. Who's to say if Sora happened as a bonus they'd be the only third party bonus? Who's to say we wouldn't get Spyro with Crash? Nightmare with Llyod? Etc. And you just said 4 bonus characters and listed Waluigi and Sora then listed retro, KI, Mother, and DK so that right there already isn't a pattern that adds up.Obviously, there's a lot to talk about so I'll try to break it up into sections:
Chapter One: Mii Costume Guy and his In-Between
Once again, I'll share this message I got from January:
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I bring this up yet again because I not only blew him off about ARMS but getting 2 first party characters in Season 2. I'm still pretty set on Waluigi and it's something we fought over. Everyone and their grandma has heard Waluigi at some point since 2018 but he not only heard ARMS but somebody else that he never shared with me. Again, note the proximity with Crash. Their theory heavily implies that ARMS, this mysterious first party character, and Crash would be announced fairly close to one another. Like I've shared in the past, this differs from Mii Costume Guy.
Mii Costume Guy heavily implied ONE pack from the following companies: Nintendo, Capcom, Namco, Square, and Microsoft. Mii Costume Guy's costume dumps strangely only had one true first party character and that was Gooigi, yet another reason I've stuck to my Waluigi theory. As you all know, we did get a Nintendo pack but it was ARMS and Gooigi and one of his heavily implied secret costumes wasn't in it. What does this mean? It means we're very likely to get more first party content but possibly not in the way we expect.
Chapter Two: Imran Khan
Recently Imran Khan made some interesting statements concerning Season 2 which can be found here:
https://mobile.twitter.com/imranzomg/status/1275067203847483403
A lot of people took it literally but I don't think he's being absolutely literal and I'll explain why. I do agree with him, following a third party pass with a first party pass would be a good but I don't think that's what's going to happen in an absolute sense. Note how he talks about the importance of promotion and marketing first party franchise and one thing that's currently staring us in the face is that we have no idea what Nintendo's 2020 plans are. Promoting first parties through Smash seems like a no brainer but there's different ways to do that.
One thing I noticed is that, yes, the Fighter's Pass is overwhelmingly third party. There's one Mii costume that's a bonus, one Pokemon costume, a spirit board, and two characters. Everything else was third party. Damn. It's pretty heavy handed. This is notable because DLC with Smash 4 was a lot more balanced. 4 characters that are technically first party, 3 third party and a fairly even mixture of first and third party stages and costumes. The Fighter's Pass was almost a complete wash of third party content. What's interesting about this is that, going off Mii Costume Guy's costume list, almost all of them are third party or indie. What's happening? We're potentially getting two different narratives.
Mii Costume Guy mostly heard third party content and potentially only one first party character while his in-between not only heard two first party characters but Crash as well. What does this potentially tell us? If a first party character is attached to Crash, couldn't another a first party character be attached to one of Mii Costume Guy's remaining four third party companies: Namco, Square, Capcom, and Microsoft? The answer is yes and, based on logical deduction, we have a fairly good idea which. Heihachi came with ARMS so suggests that the pairing isn't Nintendo and Namco and, in the event Namco gets a rep, it will just be the Namco rep. This is especially eye opening because this then leaves four companies between Mii Costume Guy and his In-between: Square Enix, Capcom, Microsoft, and Activision. Why does this sound familiar? Are you sure you're ready for it?
Chapter Three: Bonus Characters? In my Smash? It May Be More Likely Than You Think.
In January 2019, there were 16 dummy slots found in Ultimate's data that were quickly pulled when the public caught on to it. The Fighter's Pass was essentially 6 characters and Season 2 is also 6. This gives us 12 with 4 leftovers. Note the previous chapter. Our current theory pairs four of these characters to four of the full packs.
Leftover 1 with Square
Leftover 2 with Activision
Leftover 3 with Capcom
Leftover 4 with Microsoft
Obviously, the ARMs pack didn't get a bonus character and we've currently theorized that a Namco wouldn't either. Seems kind of self explanatory why: doubling up on bonus characters for a Nintendo pack would be weird and Namco probably just wants to flex its stuff for helping with Smash since 2012.
What's fascinating about this is that it fits into my long standing theory that, if we were to get bonus characters, they would probably be first party and there would likely be ONE third party exception. In this model, if Microsoft really is last/11, giving them the only bonus third party character (my theory is Sora) as a final grand hurrah makes a ton of sense. This also means that the other three will potentially pair with their third party counterparts. Geno and Waluigi seems like pretty conclusive pairing based on this model. Now, you may be thinking, "Fatman, what are you saying?" Here's the main takeaway...
-There will be 6 full packs: character, music, stage, spirit board, Mii costumes
-There will be 4 smaller packs: character, music, stage, maybe 2 or 3 Mii costumes
1 full first party pack but potentially as many as 4 Nintendo "mini packs" so that Nintendo can cash in more on DLC too while promoting their own IPs.
Let's talk about some of the things that have come up recently that support this:
Chapter Four: The Stage Select Screen Expands
Push Dustin recently brought this to our attention:
https://mobile.twitter.com/PushDustIn/status/1277862787503452160
When you add the custom stage button, it adds a new row of 11 with 10 places to fill. "But Fatman, there's only 5 packs left!" Let's add the 4 hypothetical bonus characters, we now have 9 out of the 10. Do I believe there will be a super secret 20th stage? Probably not. The 10th is pretty simple: the random button. 9 more stages is definitely plausible under this model. Moving on...
Chapter Five: The Case of the Missing Amiibo
I went into this the other day and this can be found here:
https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/page-2883#post-23991167
Here's the list of unrereleased Smash Amiibo at this time:
Luigi, Diddy Kong, Kirby, Villager, Dark Pit, ROB, Mr. Game and Watch, Duck Hunt, the Miis, Peach, Yoshi, DK, Falco, Lucas, Ryu, Palutena, Pit, and Corrin
Luigi and Ryu are slated for September which means the rest of the list is strictly first party. Some notable things about this:
-Lucas and Ness haven't been rereleased.
-Luigi, Yoshi, and Peach haven't been rereleased despite being registered for rerelease in 2018.
-Pit, Dark Pit, and Palutena haven't been rereleased.
-DK and Diddy haven't been rereleased.
-None of the retros and none of the Miis have been released.
Chances are Nintendo is waiting for certain game releases or even Smash characters to release certain Amiibo. For example, Falco will probably come with Banjo and Kazooie because "Durr hurr Burds" and Corrin's likely coming with Byleth. Now, this is where things get interesting because, if we throw the 4 potential first party bonus characters into the mix, we have a pool of franchises that these characters will likely come from: Mario, DK, Mother, Kid Icarus, and "Retro." Like I said, this creates the hypothesis that these Amiibo will be tied to future announcements somehow but it's not clear how just yet but I would highly recommend keeping an eye on all of this.
I've already said a lot so I'll continue this in another post analyzing the first party franchises that could potentially be getting bonus characters.
Well, that's certainly... vague as ****. It's frustrating not being able to know what he's heard, but if it potentially points to Waluigi or Geno then... go off, I guess.
Gee, SquareEnix sure has been getting a lot of extra Spirits as of late. I wonder if this means anything?
I agree, Sora makes much more sense as a full pack as third party franchise. I don’t think Kingdom Hearts is a spin off of Final Fantasy. I don’t see why they would give a bit less content than normal essentially making a smaller pack or no other content and people would be puzzled and disappointed.
First thing I think of when reading that is Khonjin House.
To be fair, Sora is the only third party character I could entertain for this because, as shown, this overwhelmingly favors first party characters and franchises. I mention Sora because there's decent evidence that Nintendo at least approached Disney about Sora but nobody knows the end result. There's also the fact that Sora has been shoehorned into stuff before with minimal content so there's some precedent to it too. Based on what I presented, I'd honestly argue that Mario, DK, and a retro character of some kind are the ones that walk away with the strongest cases.
