Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Lord Woomy]

I'm kinda hoping that'll be a band-aid that's ripped off quick.

IMO if they wanted to do that, they would've done it back in July 2019 lol

 

[MattX20]

I don't think Geno or Lloyd have to worry about spirit events. It's any other potential first or third party title that has to worry

 

[Deleted member]

Oye that’d be a nightmare. Hopefully not but we’ll see.

 

[Griselda]

If they don't bring Geno as a fighter, they need to at least bring his costume back even if there aren't any fighters it'd make sense to bring it with. I can remember playing Brawl and using a blue Toon Link and pretending it was Geno. Going from that to having actual, tangible representation in the costume was nice. ...And going from that to a spirit that doesn't visually affect battles just felt like 'No, you can't even wear Geno's clothes'.

 

[Paraspikey]

We just had our big spirit event with ToM..

A new #SmashBrosUltimate Spirit Event commemorating the release of Trials of Mana, “The Spirits of Mana”, kicks off for 5 days starting on 4/23 at 11pm PT! Be sure to check it out, as there will be three new spirits making their way on to the Spirit Board! pic.twitter.com/zyJnCSKzR3

— Nintendo Versus (@NintendoVS) April 22, 2020

Tonight's event will either be a themed event, or a random First Party, I wouldn't worry about it too much.

 

[Vector Victor]

Could be another tourney. They've done two in a row before.

 

[MisterMike]

I have a bad feeling about tonight's spirit event. Not sure why, but I'm expecting a Resident Evil/Astral Chain style deconfirmation. Not sure who, just kinda anticipating it.

"Here's spirits of Lloyd Irving, Heihachi, Crash Bandicoot, Sora, 2B, and Master Chief. Also, another spirit for Geno."

"We have decided to introduce Deluxe Spirits. They are duplicates of all of the over 1300 Spirits already in the game, only they have a light hologram effect to them. Please understand."

 

[Droodle]

Well, we're about a month away from when large bulks of Nintendo info will (likely) start dropping. Hopefully, this time Geno will end up getting in Smash or at the very least that whatever's revealed next bodes good things for Geno getting in. The last thing I want is a repeat of the last E3.

I have got to say that Nintendo's been doing a good job of keeping FP 2 a secret, as none of the usual leakers/insiders have a good grasp of what FP 2 will be like, just a bunch of speculation. There aren't even any hints on who the ARMS rep will be, so it may be someone who just ends up blindsiding everyone, though my personal bet is Spring-Man or Max Brass

 

[Polarthief]

"We have decided to introduce Deluxe Spirits. They are duplicates of all of the over 1300 Spirits already in the game, only they have a light hologram effect to them. Please understand."

"In addition, any character that is readded as a deluxe spirit cannot be a fighter. Please understand."

 

[Vector Victor]

"In addition, any character that is readded as a deluxe spirit cannot be a fighter. Please understand."

'We also downgraded Banjo-Kazooie to a Legend spirit and removed them from the roster. What, have a playable character AND a spirit in the same game? Why, that's just silly.'

 

[Megadoomer]

This week's theme is giant eyebrows; no new spirits.

【スピリッツイベント】
5/8(金)から3日間、「気合を入れろ！ ふとーいマユゲ」を開催！ 開催期間中、スピリッツボードに太いマユゲのキャラクターがたくさん出現！ バトルに勝利すると、いつもより多めにSPを獲得できます。#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/aCHxsuZEW9

— 大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ【スマブラ公式】 (@SmashBrosJP) May 6, 2020

 

[Icewolff92]

This week's theme is giant eyebrows; no new spirits.

【スピリッツイベント】
5/8(金)から3日間、「気合を入れろ！ ふとーいマユゲ」を開催！ 開催期間中、スピリッツボードに太いマユゲのキャラクターがたくさん出現！ バトルに勝利すると、いつもより多めにSPを獲得できます。#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/aCHxsuZEW9

— 大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ【スマブラ公式】 (@SmashBrosJP) May 6, 2020

And still, no Luigi's Mansion spirits O.o.... This is just getting weirder

 

[Deleted member]

And still, no Luigi's Mansion spirits O.o.... This is just getting weirder

No Mario Maker 2 spirits. When will they come?

 

[Icewolff92]

No Mario Maker 2 spirits. When will it they come?

Unlike Mario Maker, LM3 is getting paid DLC....... and what did Byleth inclusion promote again? That¨s right. DLC

 

[Deleted member]

Unlike Mario Maker, LM3 is getting paid DLC....... and what did Byleth inclusion promote again? That¨s right. DLC

I wasn’t trying to argue but it could either mean they’re bother not gonna have LM3 or maybe a little more time. Also, why on earth would a character promote DLC that is literally costumes and mini games? It is nothing like an expansion compared to 3 Houses. Just because the timing lines up does not mean it is an indication promoting the DLC. It’s not even confirmed. The DLC wasn’t even mentioned by Sakurai or Nintendo unlike Sakurai encouraged us to play DQ11 S in the Hero presentation.

 

[Let Geno Smash]

No Mario Maker 2 spirits. When will it they come?

Unlike Mario Maker, LM3 is getting paid DLC....... and what did Byleth inclusion promote again? That¨s right. DLC

It has been speculated that the Characters of the FP2 will have Challengers Packs such as Terry's (Not only does it represent Fatal Fury, but also samurai showdown, Kof, Metal Slug, Psycho Soldier and Ikari warriors) fatmanonice supports this information (By knowing this and based on the rumored miis, he thought of the characters that would adapt to those miis and could be great for his company, in the case of Chief and Crash he chose them as the pets of Microsoft and Activision respectively, with Dante being the easiest to add Capcom, With Lloyd and Geno for their popular demand and later on Nintendo and that is why I thought of Waluigi being the strongest possible 1st party character) I believe that the spirits of LM3 will only come with Arms

 

[Powerman293]

I think people are overthinking Luigi's Mansion 3 having no spirits.

 

[Icewolff92]

I wasn’t trying to argue but it could either mean they’re bother not gonna have LM3. Maybe a little more time. Also, why on earth would a character promote DLC that is literally costumes and mini games? It is nothing like an expansion compared to 3 Houses. Just because the timing lines up does not mean it is an indication promoting the DLC.

I seriously doubt they are going to "eh why to bother" with LM3 spirits, no matter if the likes of King Boo is in or not. And by why on earth would they want to promote it? Well, it's up to Nintendo if they feel like its worth pushing the game a bit extra. We simply don¨t know. I agree with you that timing doesn¨t mean = 100% confirmed, but Byleth and Arms (the free trial being announced right on cue and potential sequel announced later this year) have shown us that they are not afraid of have "promotion" as DLC. It could also fit in with Mario's celebration concidering he is the last "big bad" of Nintendo that is yet to be included (PS, I don¨t count in Geno in the "Mario category due to Square)

It has been speculated that the Characters of the FP2 will have Challengers Packs such as Terry's (Not only does it represent Fatal Fury, but also samurai showdown, Kof, Metal Slug, Psycho Soldier and Ikari warriors) fatmanonice supports this information (By knowing this and based on the rumored miis, he thought of the characters that would adapt to those miis and could be great for his company, in the case of Chief and Crash he chose them as the pets of Microsoft and Activision respectively, with Dante being the easiest to add Capcom, With Lloyd and Geno for their popular demand and later on Nintendo and that is why I thought of Waluigi being the strongest possible 1st party character) I believe that the spirits of LM3 will only come with Arms

We have also heard that we are mostly getting first-party from Imran Khan (who, no offense to Fatman, but I believe Imran more concidering Imran track record and history)... And quite frankly, with Arms being the first... I would not be surprised if this is a lower budget pack made of leftover/we want you to push these franchises money with maybe one or two exceptions (with Geno hopefully being one of them).... I doubt LM3 spirits (if they arriving with a fighter) are coming with Arms.. Especially if what Imran says is true

 

[Phoenix Douchebag]

I think people are overthinking Luigi's Mansion 3 having no spirits.

"WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A SPIRIT EVENT FOR LM3 YET!, THE PLOT THICCENS"
Isaac and Shadow fans after months of waiting because of their absence until Nov. 1st:

 

[MrJudd]

I think the situation with Luigi's Mansion 3 spirits, and even Mario Maker 2 is either:

1. They missed the boat, which is really unlikely IMO considering other major releases like Link's Awakening and Astral Chain got spirits in the game.
2. They are coming in a weekly event (although I think we are waiting on a Gooigi Mii Costume for LM3 if that's the case)
3. They are coming with a 1st-party (like in the ARMS pack) or in a Mario Series pack (like Geno's, for example)

Also, if people are saying this is a lower-budget pass, then explain this:

• Why is there 6 packs now instead of 5? No one would bat an eye if there were only five, because that's what Pass 1 was.
• Why all of the packs are coming with the same amount of content as before?
• Why is the deadline longer than the 1st pass? (even if I think Pass 2 will end before September 2021)
  • Note: A smaller team wouldn't reduce the maintenance costs of an office.
• Why are we getting more 3rd party deals for Spirits like Arc Sys and Digital Extremes this time around than during the first pass? A deal would still be required, even for PNGs, and that would be an extra cost with a smaller payoff than a Challenger Pack.

Unless Nintendo/Sakurai says this directly, it makes no sense that this would be the case considering what we know so far.

 

[Deleted member]

I think the situation with Luigi's Mansion 3 spirits, and even Mario Maker 2 is either:

1. They missed the boat, which is really unlikely IMO considering other major releases like Link's Awakening and Astral Chain got spirits in the game.
2. They are coming in a weekly event (although I think we are waiting on a Gooigi Mii Costume for LM3 if that's the case)
3. They are coming with a 1st-party (like in the ARMS pack) or in a Mario Series pack (like Geno's, for example)

Also, if people are saying this is a lower-budget pass, then explain this:

• Why is there 6 packs now instead of 5? No one would bat an eye if there were only five, because that's what Pass 1 was.
• Why all of the packs are coming with the same amount of content as before?
• Why is the deadline longer than the 1st pass? (even if I think Pass 2 will end before September 2021)
  • Note: A smaller team wouldn't reduce the maintenance costs of an office.
• Why are we getting more 3rd party deals for Spirits like Arc Sys and Digital Extremes this time around than during the first pass? A deal would still be required, even for PNGs, and that would be an extra cost with a smaller payoff than a Challenger Pack.

Unless Nintendo/Sakurai says this directly, it makes no sense that this would be the case considering what we know so far.

I think LM3 spirit event may come shortly before or after a Gooigi Mii costumes comes with ARMS. Maybe July since I think DLC pack 2 was originally going to come out at that time.

 

[Enigma735]

Heres my take on the lack of LM3 Spirits. Yes, it is kinda odd it hasn't happened yet, and I do think King Boo could have a chance of getting included in FP2, but why would Sakurai WANT to include a character from LM3? Yes, it could be used for promotion, but we already have tons of Luigi's Mansion content in the game already that I just don't see the point in adding a character for the sole purpose to represent a game when they can easily do that through other means. You also need to keep in mind what Byleth promotes as opposed to an LM3 character. Three Houses was getting a completely new expansion pass, that adds more to the actual story of Three Houses. LM3 DLC on the other hand is just free updates that doesn't add that much to the overall game or expand on its already existing story, and seeing how LM3 came out quite some time ago, then I see no reason why suddenly now Nintendo would start randomly promoting it.

I also think Luigi's Mansion 3 missed its shot for getting a Spirit Event, which I think would have happened in October. Everyone must keep in mind that Luigi's Mansion 3 released the day of Halloween, aka the last day of October. I personally think it would be strange to have a Halloween-themed Spirit Event that isn't in October. That is why I think Luigi's Mansion 3 doesn't have a Spirit Event and I wouldn't even be surprised if Sakurai does a LM3 Spirit Event for this year in October to coincide with Halloween. That doesn't seem that far-fetched if you ask me.

 

[StarLight42]

Luigi’s Mansion didn’t get spirits?
King Boo is IN bois.

 

[Deleted member]

I seriously doubt they are going to "eh why to bother" with LM3 spirits, no matter if the likes of King Boo is in or not. And by why on earth would they want to promote it? Well, it's up to Nintendo if they feel like its worth pushing the game a bit extra. We simply don¨t know. I agree with you that timing doesn¨t mean = 100% confirmed, but Byleth and Arms (the free trial being announced right on cue and potential sequel announced later this year) have shown us that they are not afraid of have "promotion" as DLC. It could also fit in with Mario's celebration concidering he is the last "big bad" of Nintendo that is yet to be included (PS, I don¨t count in Geno in the "Mario category due to Square)




We have also heard that we are mostly getting first-party from Imran Khan (who, no offense to Fatman, but I believe Imran more concidering Imran track record and history)... And quite frankly, with Arms being the first... I would not be surprised if this is a lower budget pack made of leftover/we want you to push these franchises money with maybe one or two exceptions (with Geno hopefully being one of them).... I doubt LM3 spirits (if they arriving with a fighter) are coming with Arms.. Especially if what Imran says is true

I think you and maybe a few others are getting too invested on the possibility of King Boo from missing LM3 spirits. I mean it is certainly possible they will not bother at least for now whether bad timing or whatever. If you think they’re not gonna ignore LM3, then they shouldn’t ignore MM2. It’s been nearly a YEAR of MM2 release. It’s been over a WHOLE year of Yoshi’s Crafted World and no sign of spirits. By the time we hit July, it’ll be like 9 months since release. They longer they hold off the spirits than 3H, they more likely they’ll end up like YCW or MM2. Dragalia lost seems more plausible like 3H as 3H is like an entirely different world and cast of characters not present.

 

[cmbsfm]

We have also heard that we are mostly getting first-party from Imran Khan

When did he say this?

 

[StarLight42]

When did he say this?

he never outright said any of that but he’s been getting a bit cocky about the subject since byleth

https://smashboards.com/threads/geno-♥♪-return-of-the-starsend-savior.446378/post-23917651

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I feel like everyone is overthinking Luigi's Mansion 3 not having a spirit event. It's kind of weird but no matter what I do I just cannot picture King Boo being one of the six characters if this is all we're getting. I like him and I'd love if I was proven wrong but I just don't see a reality where that happens, especially when we have at least three way more requested characters in Geno, Toad, and Waluigi (Piranha Plant was added specifically because it was an enemy and wasn't requested so he's not part of the equation here).

And let's not forget Luigi's Mansion has a pretty good amount of content in Smash as is. Outside of ghost characters most of all the important elements are spirits, Luigi got his Poltergust G-00 in his moveset, and it has a stage with plenty of music to go with it. That's way more than I can say for any of the Mario RPGs, even put together.

 

[Deleted member]

I feel like everyone is overthinking Luigi's Mansion 3 not having a spirit event. It's kind of weird but no matter what I do I just cannot picture King Boo being one of the six characters if this is all we're getting. I like him and I'd love if I was proven wrong but I just don't see a reality where that happens, especially when we have at least three way more requested characters in Geno, Toad, and Waluigi (Piranha Plant was added specifically because it was an enemy and wasn't requested so he's not part of the equation here).

And let's not forget Luigi's Mansion has a pretty good amount of content in Smash as is. Outside of ghost characters most of all the important elements are spirits, Luigi got his Poltergust G-00 in his moveset, and it has a stage with plenty of music to go with it. That's way more than I can say for any of the Mario RPGs, even put together.

This. I mean, is it really worth trying to promote LM3 when the major cast and content is already there? There’s of course Luigi, King Boo, E.Gadd, poltergeists, polterpup, and Gooigi. 3 Houses has all content entirely new including the cast of characters not being present there. That’s like adding Tom Nook for New Horizons when Animal Crossing as already have the existing content.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

LM3 is odd that it doesn't have a Spirit event yet. But I don't think it necessarily has anything to do with a character either. There's still a few spirits unaccounted for like Gooigi that's a nice easy event.

King Boo would be cool if he got in, though. A very unique option, heh.

That’s like adding Tom Nook for New Horizons when Animal Crossing as already have the existing content.

...New Horizons got its own spirit event, so this point doesn't work that well. Tom Nook already had a spirit, so it didn't have to get another one. It still got 4 spirits regardless. There's a lot of LM3 characters who could make for an easy set of spirits. Even 3 or 4. It just hasn't happened yet. Though as I said, I don't think this means a character either. They probably had a lot of events planned out already beforehand, so giving yet another random spirit event would change their schedule. They can release LM3 spirits at any time, really.

Though I don't think they'd come with ARMS, as the only spirit boards are specifically towards the character added. Regardless of the MIi costumes. LM3 spirits could come out at some other point, though.

 

[Deleted member]

LM3 is odd that it doesn't have a Spirit event yet. But I don't think it necessarily has anything to do with a character either. There's still a few spirits unaccounted for like Gooigi that's a nice easy event.

King Boo would be cool if he got in, though. A very unique option, heh.


...New Horizons got its own spirit event, so this point doesn't work that well. Tom Nook already had a spirit, so it didn't have to get another one. It still got 4 spirits regardless. There's a lot of LM3 characters who could make for an easy set of spirits. Even 3 or 4. It just hasn't happened yet. Though as I said, I don't think this means a character either. They probably had a lot of events planned out already beforehand, so giving yet another random spirit event would change their schedule. They can release LM3 spirits at any time, really.

Though I don't think they'd come with ARMS, as the only spirit boards are specifically towards the character added. Regardless of the MIi costumes. LM3 spirits could come out at some other point, though.

... yes I know that... I just don’t think it’s really worth adding a character to promote New Horizons like King Boo for LM3 from a lot of the major content already existing in the game.

 

[MisterMike]

This week's theme is giant eyebrows; no new spirits.

【スピリッツイベント】
5/8(金)から3日間、「気合を入れろ！ ふとーいマユゲ」を開催！ 開催期間中、スピリッツボードに太いマユゲのキャラクターがたくさん出現！ バトルに勝利すると、いつもより多めにSPを獲得できます。#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/aCHxsuZEW9

— 大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ【スマブラ公式】 (@SmashBrosJP) May 6, 2020

This week's theme be like:

 

[Polarthief]

"LM3 doesn't have a Spirit Event yet, inb4 they shill it after ARMS."

I just don't see it happening, especially not as DLC 7/one of the E3 picks, and further especially after having incredibly lukewarm to outright negative picks for the last 3 characters: Terry, Byleth, ARMS. In addition, if Sakurai's words are to be taken at face value that these last 6 are "truly extra", why would they pick King Boo of all characters? ARMS I get because it should have been in at base but missed the mark due to development. Makes sense they'd be an "extra". On that reasoning, Rex (& Pyra?) is very likely as well. Fan-favorites have an even greater chance this time around. King Boo though, I don't see the point when most people would see it as an ad/even shilling for LM3 that very few people asked for (seriously, I didn't even know anyone was asking for him until some people in this thread pointed it out).

I feel like everyone is overthinking Luigi's Mansion 3 not having a spirit event. It's kind of weird but no matter what I do I just cannot picture King Boo being one of the six characters if this is all we're getting.

Seriously, it would be one of the most bizarre picks, and I don't mean "it's a bizarre character", I mean that it would be extremely weird to do it. Outside of the ad for LM3, who is this satisfying? He's a very unsatisfying E3 pick who isn't even heavily fan-requested, he doesn't turn heads like Joker did, and if they were gonna limit one series getting multiple characters, he's even in competition with Geno, who, remember, has a lot more going for him than a missing spirit event and nothing else. Hell, his Sm4sh costume mysteriously missing from base and all of FP1, even dodging Hero's pack, is definitely better evidence than a missing spirit event for a game that has been out for half a year, and Geno has even further evidence on top of that.

Do I think it's weird the spirits are missing? TBH not really, because what if they're just saving the spirit event for when more DLC comes out to advertise that without needing to add a character? Or Halloween 2020? Or they just didn't want to add one? It's just as likely as those as it is for adding King Boo by that logic.

 

[Lord Woomy]

Smash fans when LM3 mysteriously doesn't get a spirit event:

Smash fans when Geno mysteriously doesn't have his Mii costume come back:

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

... yes I know that... I just don’t think it’s really worth adding a character to promote New Horizons like King Boo for LM3 from a lot of the major content already existing in the game.

I probably misread you then. That said, other than Luigi's Throw being the newest Poltergust(same with the Final Smash), there's no "major content". Those are specifically Spirits from previous Luigi's Mansion games, listed as such. The closest thing is the Poltergust spirit battle which slightly represents LM3 due to Luigi's moveset.

But that's still not major content. It getting a few amount of spirits is pretty simplistic. It has a fair amount of unique characters to add as is. And I'm not even thinking it's getting a character either(which I'm guessing is your actual point with New Horizons??). But Gooigi missing is a pretty weird thing when it's such an obvious spirit option now. Anything else, well, whatever works really. I mean, they could just throw in a few Super Mario(in general) spirits as an event. Super Mario Maker 2 stuff as well. There's more than one way to do it, heh.

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Regardless, the idea of the spirits coming with ARMS makes no sense. Spirit Boards are specific to the character pack series alone. They'd be a random event if they're not tied to a character, like all other spirit events. It could be something like a planned Luigi's Mansion 3 game patch or whatever. Maybe they had the other spirit events planned out and couldn't fit it in as is, so are releasing the ideas later. Who knows.

 

[Loliko YnT]

Everyone : King Boo is in

Me , an intellectual :

King Boo is already a spirit , even if I think it doesn't mean much. I think most people here know my opinion on this situation ; At this rate , if they want to promote a game... Why not promote a game that will be announced during this summer ? It would be a smarter move to promote an upcoming game , rather than the game that already sold super well (enough to be on Switch top 10 best sellers) and doesn't have much support afterwards.

Don't get me wrong , I love LM3 , 100%'d the thing

Spoiler

Even if the 100% reward wasn't all that worth it lol

and had a blast , even with my issues with the game. (lack of upgrade system for the poltergust mostly , wich make the combat pretty repetitive and less flexible)
It's obvious that NLG listened to criticism (mission structure is gone , ghosts portraits are back) , the game is absolutely gorgeous , the charm of this game is through the roof.

But in the end , I just don't see it , especially when Nintendo is aware of the demand for Geno and Waluigi , and the potential for a new Paper Mario game with Paper Mario. I firmly believe that those are the 3 frontrunners... And that we could get Geno + one of them , since Geno's status is just so weird.
if King Boo gets in , it'll be because it's King Boo and people love Luigi's Mansion , not just to promote a game that already sold super well. He may have trouble filling a spirit board , but I could see a Last Resort Hotel stage coming with him easily.

I could also say that Hyrule Warriors didn't got spirits since base game , and Koei Tecmo didn't got anything in Ultimate yet , but despise that , nobody is saying "Oh yeah , Lana/Cia/Linkle are totally in.". But people will probably say "But that's different" because it always is.

 

[Spatulo]

Everyone : King Boo is in

Me , an intellectual :
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King Boo is already a spirit , even if I think it doesn't mean much. I think most people here know my opinion on this situation ; At this rate , if they want to promote a game... Why not promote a game that will be announced during this summer ? It would be a smarter move to promote an upcoming game , rather than the game that already sold super well (enough to be on Switch top 10 best sellers) and doesn't have much support afterwards.

Don't get me wrong , I love LM3 , 100%'d the thing

Spoiler

Even if the 100% reward wasn't all that worth it lol

and had a blast , even with my issues with the game. (lack of upgrade system for the poltergust mostly , wich make the combat pretty repetitive and less flexible)
It's obvious that NLG listened to criticism (mission structure is gone , ghosts portraits are back) , the game is absolutely gorgeous , the charm of this game is through the roof.

But in the end , I just don't see it , especially when Nintendo is aware of the demand for Geno and Waluigi , and the potential for a new Paper Mario game with Paper Mario. I firmly believe that those are the 3 frontrunners... And that we could get Geno + one of them , since Geno's status is just so weird.
if King Boo gets in , it'll be because it's King Boo and people love Luigi's Mansion , not just to promote a game that already sold super well. He may have trouble filling a spirit board , but I could see a Last Resort Hotel stage coming with him easily.

I could also say that Hyrule Warriors didn't got spirits since base game , and Koei Tecmo didn't got anything in Ultimate yet , but despise that , nobody is saying "Oh yeah , Lana/Cia/Linkle are totally in.". But people will probably say "But that's different" because it always is.

Actually I’ve been saying Ryu Hayabusa since pass one, but there’s apparently some intense bad blood between Koei Tecmo and Capcom which may be why they’ve got nothing aside from an AT right now

 

[SpiritOfRuin]

Marioverse has so many cool characters. They could easily add 5+ more characters and I wouldn't even be mad. It is weird to me that people put so much stock in shill value. I understand that shilling has been a big component of Ultimates DLC, but we also have to consider the base game additions as well as Sm4sh DLC which only had some promotional picks and a lot of fanservice. We severely limit our scope if we focus primarily on shill picks and that concept would pretty much exclude Geno and many characters fans actually want.

People like to forget that Sm4sh had paid DLC for characters who had already been in Smash. Ultimate is different with everyone is here and I get that, but it's like people are treating Ultimate as a completely different series than Sm4sh. If characters who've already been in the game can be paid dlc then anyone can and our reasons and speculation can't change that. Basically, if King Boo happens it's because Nintendo wanted him to and wanted to capitalize on LM3's success but also praise the game and show that they care for the LM series. Sure Nintendo is going to try to promote their games or games that are coming to the system but when we demonize Nintendo and treat shilling like the only motivator for dlc (which again is an understandably necessary evil sometimes) then we forget the character of Nintendo as a company and as a result become doomsayers and limit ourselves and others in speculation.

Yes Nintendo is a company that seeks to make money and yes they can be rather greedy and have some unsavory practices. But remember too that Nintendo often gives developers extra time needed to finish projects properly, always try to innovate and make something new and creative for their consumers to try and not only that but do so for the widest variety of consumers that they can unlike other companies, truly celebrate the successes of not just their own games but the games of other companies as well as we've seen with several Indie developers, etc. Nintendo is not all bad and there are instances where they show major respect towards fans as well as other companies and are always striving to reach more and more consumers. Legacy matters to Nintendo and this is especially clear in Smash.

So yes shilling will inevitably happen in pack 2 but can we stop acting like that's the be all end all? If Geno gets in when SMRPG gets added to NSO then that's a nice tie-in but Geno didn't get in because of that, he got in because of his outspoken fans and his amazing potential and what he represents to Nintendo and between Nintendo and Square. If Paper Mario gets in around the announcement of a remastered or new Paper Mario game Paper Mario didn't get in just because of the new game he got in because he's a character that is respected and valued by Nintendo for representing an underrepresented part of their mascot franchise and brings a fun visual flair and style to the game. I've already mentioned King Boo. Waluigi has similar aspects to these other Mario characters.

Nintendo respects a wide variety of games and I don't think a character not getting in Smash reflects any sort of disrespect or disregard for those characters or franchises. I'm not going to pretend to know Nintendo's criteria for choosing or refusing characters in Smash dlc but I know the refusing aspect has nothing to do with characters not holding any value to Nintendo because Nintendo has shown that they value almost every series even if it's not on their systems.

Honestly, I think most of the demonizing of Nintendo stems from Pokemon because that is the worst case of long time fans getting completely ignored and the younger and newer consumers being heavily prioritized. (Also mobile games because they're straight up evil) FP1 is weird because it's designed to have something for everyone which made everyone feel like it had nothing for them, because only one (or less) of the characters really appealed to them specifically. We have to remember too that there are plenty of fans who just want new characters no matter who they are so long as they're fun and this pass definitely brought that for those fans. It will be interesting to see how FP2 unfolds. Will Nintendo reveal themselves to be the demon everyone is making them out to be? Or will Nintendo rise to the occasion and bring a pass that truly has something for everyone and make us feel like everyone is truly here?

All I know is Smash will always expand in new, exciting, and unexpected ways. Sometimes that expansion will be in line with what fans want and respect, sometimes it will be in line with what the developer wants and respects, and other times it will be in line with what Nintendo wants and respects. These lines do not always cross, but sometimes they do and when they do they result in the most successful Smash inclusions (Sonic, Mega Man, Cloud, Banjo, etc).

On another note, I'm a firm believer that Smash will continue to have new games after Ultimate. I've always believed as long as we remain strong, our voices can get Geno in a Smash game one day. I've always believed that he can be in Smash whether that was Brawl, Sm4sh, Ultimate, or a future installment. Ultimate makes the most sense considering the age of most Geno fans and being one of the last pillars of long standing Smash fandom to fall, but it doesn't have to be Ultimate. One thing I was thinking about though is that this will likely be the last Smash game to use anything like Amiibo which would make me really sad that I wouldn't get amiibos for Geno, Crash, and Rayman if they don't make it in.

 

[GodzillaGuy64]

Kinda off-topic but I thought this was cool. Mario RPG getting at least some recognition.

The @WarpWorld patrons have spoken, and they chose Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars as the next CC supported game!

Support will be available by the end of May.

Join us on the next poll 👉 https://t.co/cZguMihHZf pic.twitter.com/WLoiZf9kS6

— Crowd Control 2.0 (@CrowdControl) May 5, 2020

 

[Lagguino]

This week's theme is giant eyebrows; no new spirits.

【スピリッツイベント】
5/8(金)から3日間、「気合を入れろ！ ふとーいマユゲ」を開催！ 開催期間中、スピリッツボードに太いマユゲのキャラクターがたくさん出現！ バトルに勝利すると、いつもより多めにSPを獲得できます。#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/aCHxsuZEW9

— 大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ【スマブラ公式】 (@SmashBrosJP) May 6, 2020

Geno may not have big eyebrows but i know who...

Bowyer is in. Lol.

 

[Vector Victor]

Promotes eye brows. Doesn't use Dr Wily in ad.

What is becoming of this world?