Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[MisterMike]

If Geno does turn out to be FP7 like many of us are speculating, what would you guess to be his exact release date?

We usually don't get a fighter reveal alongside a fighter demonstration, and since there's been a lot of talk about there not being a June Direct, I think sometime around September/October seems like the most likely scenario.

 

[Rohanx17]

If Geno does turn out to be FP7 like many of us are speculating, what would you guess to be his exact release date?

I believe that the wait period between 5 and 6 is not all that different then the drought at the start of fp1, once the characters are far enough in the assembly line that the releases begin it will be short consistent intervals like hero>banjo>terry>byleth were. Maybe the initial period is going to be longer this time around because of the office restructuring since it does feel like a april release might have been the initial plan, but I wouldn't be too surprised if 7 releases in august or September and we get a new one every 2-3 months from there.

if geno isn't 7 then he could honestly be any of them imo since there really isn't anything to go on rn, It's going to be pretty stomach churning from thereon-out that's for sure

 

[Terry Badguy]

Woops almost forgot the hat, here it is

 

[pinshadow]

I'm somewhat worried of the possibility that we get the ARMS character in June but nothing else, and we'll need to wait until another Direct for something to happen, and the wait for that could be excruciating with the potential of the ARMS character to break some rules. At the very least we should have a MUCH clearer picture in the next 1-2 days about exactly what is going on, given that Nintendo is releasing their yearly earnings report, and, presumably, their Results Briefing, which importantly contains both their plan for the upcoming year, which seems really weird for them to present when they have nothing but Xenoblade and Clubhouse games out within a month, and where they announce their E3 plans, AKA, yep, we are indeed doing a direct and tournments again, and given the current stuff floating around we can actually get a solid answer as to what they are doing.

That, or they don't release a Fiscal Briefing and we can REALLY start panicking.

 

[Deleted member]

I think there is no way we are going to get 6-7 months in the year with only 1 character reveal in Vol. 2. A character announced in late March which I think they are definitely ready enough to show but decided to wait until June. It sounds reasonable to have at least FP 7 revealed. Piranha Plant wasn’t released until February. Banjo and Hero were revealed at E3.

 

[SpiritOfRuin]

With the more scattered announcement approach I actually wouldn't be surprised to get the ARMS character and nothing else in June Smash-wise. They could literally drop a reveal whenever they want. Really it could go either way though. I would imagine that at least 2 characters minimum (likely 3) in FP2 would show up this year given the deadline so depending on how far along 7 is they may want to hold off on the reveal just yet. Then again with current production chugging along well according to Sakurai and the speed with which the team has been pumping out characters, I also wouldn't be surprised if the 6 fighters were out well before the deadline and they got back to regular pacing once the ARMS character is out like Rohanx17 said despite the virus. I'm bracing myself for the worst because I don't want to get my hopes up and be let down during an already frustrating and stressful time. I think we may be waiting a while to find out Geno's fate unfortunately.

 

[MattX20]

It makes no sense to just reveal one fighter this year when they have 6 months left in 2020 in June. They need to at least get half of the pass revealed and released

 

[StarLight42]

Not sure. But I still think religiously hanging onto the idea that Geno is FP7 is not the best idea. I think he has a chance, but I don't want to fall for the coincidence of him being 77 just because lol

I agree that far too many people on this thread are latching onto the idea of Geno as FP7. It's fine to be optimistic but i'm a bit worried about the ensuing backlash should 7 not be him.

 

[MattX20]

Even if Geno doesn't turn out to be 7, he still has a shot at FP8. All the info we've gotten over the past year or so indicates he will be early on in the pass

 

[SpiritOfRuin]

It makes no sense to just reveal one fighter this year when they have 6 months left in 2020 in June. They need to at least get half of the pass revealed and released

Wait who said only one fighter reveal this year? That definitely would not make any sense. Also, technically if somehow it was just ARMS from FP2 this year it'd still be 2 fighter reveals with Byleth lol.

 

[Enigma735]

I think FP7 will get revealed in June, and I am not even trying to be bias because of the fact Geno could very likely be 7, but moreso because, why make us wait for half a year until the next character reveal? If they have something to show, they should just show it, even if they don't have gameplay, at the very least they could show a CGI trailer after the ARMS showcase. I think this is very likely.

As for FP8 though, I think we may wait a while for that.

 

[Deleted member]

Hey fellow Geno contreras!

 

[AdamBel731]

Hey, Geno thread! Long time no see my compatriots. Been a bit since I've posted here.

*gasp* Is that ol' long-winded AdamBel? I thought that young zoomer went up to Star Road or something... Nah, I'm pretty sure that young zoomer who actually genuinely rooted for a character he didn't have any personal attachment to is a myth. After all, Geno is "iRrElEvAnT" and that zoomer would probably prefer Jonsey or something.


"...AdamBel?"
"There is no, AdamBel!"
"There's never been any AdamBel!"
"AdamBel is just a myth!"

*ahem* Enough of that. Hey my lads and lassies who remember me! For any newer members are reading this and don't know who I am, just know I am a big believer and supporter of this thread despite my lack of personal attachment to Geno. I have a tendency to make... longer posts in this thread. If you don't know me at all, that's because I usually post a lot when there is, uh... well, more activity going on. That's just it though... this huge Nintendo drought and, more importantly, the virus, has really made things grind to a halt (at least for me). I'm still believin' in you guys and your starry boy, but I suppose I just haven't thought about Nintendo much as of late (due to, as I just said, the virus and the total lack of Nintendo news). And with the rumors of Nintendo not having a Direct for a while... man, we're in the Sahara boys. I see some of my good chums are still alive and kickin' here, which is always a jolly good show. Nevertheless, I will possibly try to come into the thread more for those who care! I know I ain't a prolific poster in here or anything and for a regular Joe this post is but a fart in the wind (a "literal who?" to use speculation terms)... but I've missed you Geno lovin' folk. Glad to see the thread still alive and kickin'!


I still believe Geno is one of the top bets for DLC! And with Sakurai saying their development team is on schedule (bless that man and his team), I have faith Geno will be in Smash soon enough! As I always say, I'm with you all until the end of the line!

 

[pinshadow]

Well, the fiscal earnings dropped, heres a link if you are interested. https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/earnings/index.html

Animal Crossing sold 11.5 million in 10 days.

Smash DLC is still set for June.

And, "Oh god, they really have nothing coming out do they".

They also don't seem to be doing an investors meeting and just a conference call. Which means unlike every year they've said nothing about their plans for E3, or rather what they plan to do instead. The panic is really setting in now.

 

[Icewolff92]

Wouldn't be better to promote games that had low sales? That's why Nintendo chose FE3H

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Three Houses didn¨t exactly had low sales. ..
https://www.dualshockers.com/fire-emblem-three-houses-best-fire-emblem-sales-ever/

 

[T2by4]

SOME GENO MOTIVATION:
-No Mii Costume yet
-Copyrighted songs like Sans & Banjo
-Pattern of 2 songs per Square character
-Also 2 songs that fit perfectly for Geno. Forest Maze for him & Armed Boss for battles.
-“Back to the roots” scenario. Explained well in Terminal Montage video.
-First party being on topic (Geno is kind of a mix: being the ONLY Third Party coming from a First Party world)
-Costumes, Spirits or Assist don’t deconfirm
-More than 2 decades of fan demand
-Acknowledged by Sakurai himself
-Perfect moveset (timed hits)
-Perfect design to have more cartoonish characters
-“Not just recognizable; Fun to play”
-“We will be keep pleasing fans”
-Inkling, Chrom, KKR & Isabelle were from being costumes in Sm4sh to playables in Ultimate. Only missing Geno
-The “Big” are already here: Ridley, KKR and Banjo. Only missing Geno again. (You can add Isaac if you want).

AND NOW NUMBERS REASONS:
-Character #77 is the next, fits Geno.
-Square would repeat their character slot being the second of each Fighter Pass. Hero was the second and Geno will be the second here.

AND DONT FORGET:
-Geno is the second person to join your party in Mario RPG
-Geno gives you the Second Star
-That Star is green, like a Forest, fits Geno’s background image color.
-He is from MARIO WORLD, just imagine him reunited with his old friends + Mallow in some form (I hope a premium costume or part of his Final Smash), and we are done.
-To crossover it more, you can mix Geno with Kirby or Rosalina elements.

It all strengthens Geno’s chances to be playable in Smash. Just wait and see!

ALSO
ONLY 7 DAYS LEFT FOR GENO’s OFFICIAL 24° BIRTHDAY in USA! Hope to see some official news/tweets, SMRPG to the NSO and most important, Geno joining the SMASH PARTY soon! For me he is happening, I have believe and love in Geno since I had my SuperMarioRPG in 1996 and always root for him! He is happening now.

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>Mfw all those reasons why Geno making it as fighter #77 make legitimate sense

If he isn't fighter 77 we're in deep trouble. All of those reasons just make way too much sense. If he isn't in by then imma panic.

 

[Icewolff92]

If he isn't fighter 77 we're in deep trouble. All of those reasons just make way too much sense. If he isn't in by then imma panic.

Sigh... the whole idea of "he has to be number 7" is just downright silly. It just feels like it boils down to the "seven stars" of SMRPGs tittle and that only. Relax people.... He can be 8, he can be the last one revealed for all we know. There is no need to worry yet. would we be like 2 characters left and he has not arrived, then that's a different scenario. Like I said. Relax and take a chill pill.

 

[HudU]

Hey fellow Geno contreras!

Hello : D

 

[Deleted member]

Hello! : D

Hello!

 

[Icewolff92]

Also, I want to apologize for my previous tone in my comments last time I was here. Do I believe in the "expect the worse, hope for the best mentality? Yes, I do, but I could have worded it a bit better. I¨ve realized that I have been a bit grumpy the last days because of the funeral that I¨m attending tomorrow, but that¨s not an excuse to take it out on anyone, be it someone "random" or a person you know. I should probably be thankful that I have ended up in a relationship (which I never thought I would do again) with someone that is extremely stubborn and helped me come to my senses.

Remember to keep being awesome y´all

 

[RedMachine123]

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Three Houses didn¨t exactly had low sales. ..
https://www.dualshockers.com/fire-emblem-three-houses-best-fire-emblem-sales-ever/

I meant low sales in comparison to LM3.

 

[SpiritOfRuin]

Hey, Geno thread! Long time no see my compatriots. Been a bit since I've posted here.

*gasp* Is that ol' long-winded AdamBel? I thought that young zoomer went up to Star Road or something... Nah, I'm pretty sure that young zoomer who actually genuinely rooted for a character he didn't have any personal attachment to is a myth. After all, Geno is "iRrElEvAnT" and that zoomer would probably prefer Jonsey or something.


"...AdamBel?"
"There is no, AdamBel!"
"There's never been any AdamBel!"
"AdamBel is just a myth!"
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*ahem* Enough of that. Hey my lads and lassies who remember me! For any newer members are reading this and don't know who I am, just know I am a big believer and supporter of this thread despite my lack of personal attachment to Geno. I have a tendency to make... longer posts in this thread. If you don't know me at all, that's because I usually post a lot when there is, uh... well, more activity going on. That's just it though... this huge Nintendo drought and, more importantly, the virus, has really made things grind to a halt (at least for me). I'm still believin' in you guys and your starry boy, but I suppose I just haven't thought about Nintendo much as of late (due to, as I just said, the virus and the total lack of Nintendo news). And with the rumors of Nintendo not having a Direct for a while... man, we're in the Sahara boys. I see some of my good chums are still alive and kickin' here, which is always a jolly good show. Nevertheless, I will possibly try to come into the thread more for those who care! I know I ain't a prolific poster in here or anything and for a regular Joe this post is but a fart in the wind (a "literal who?" to use speculation terms)... but I've missed you Geno lovin' folk. Glad to see the thread still alive and kickin'!


I still believe Geno is one of the top bets for DLC! And with Sakurai saying their development team is on schedule (bless that man and his team), I have faith Geno will be in Smash soon enough! As I always say, I'm with you all until the end of the line!

Hey I remember you! *Immediately leaves* jk welcome back.

Sigh... the whole idea of "he has to be number 7" is just downright silly. It just feels like it boils down to the "seven stars" of SMRPGs tittle and that only. Relax people.... He can be 8, he can be the last one revealed for all we know. There is no need to worry yet. would we be like 2 characters left and he has not arrived, then that's a different scenario. Like I said. Relax and take a chill pill.

Yeah I'm not sure why people would actually consider this significant. Very rarely do things line up to have this kind of significance. Geno certainly could be 7 based on the timing of some of his evidence, but in no way should we start worrying if he's not number 7 and in no way should we consider a number from his game title significant to his potential placement in FP2. By that logic shouldn't Dante be 6 because 6 (well technically 666) is the number of the beast and his game is called DEVIL May Cry?

 

[Loliko YnT]

It doesn't matter what Square wants to shill, they can't make Nintendo or Sakurai do anything. If Square doesn't wanna give the rights to Geno due to irrelevancy, then we probably just won't get another Square character, Nintendo doesn't still owe them a spot. We also know Sakurai has gotten older characters from Square in the past even when they suggested more modern ones, he said when he went to Square for the rights to Cloud, they wanted him to include a character from a more modern FF game, but Sakurai got what he wanted in the end. The same would probably happen with Geno, and if Sakurai/Nintendo didn't get what they wanted, then they probably wouldn't get anything at all.

To second this ;

The rights to anything Dragon Quest are a complete mess , and despise that , look at what Sakurai manage to bring with him...

Like seriously , I think some people here don't realize how insane all of this is.
Cloud litteraly came nothing but himself , 2 songs , and a stage. And then Sakurai just bring every Hero , 8 SONGS (4 Heroes playable or not , this is insane considering the DQ composer) and a full spirit board.

Remember when people thought we would only get Erdrick with 2 songs ? Yeah. If Sakurai want something , he'll get it.

 

[pinshadow]

The whole Geno has to be 7/early in the pass stems from the basic logic and patterns presented by the two DLC cycles so far.

• Start with First-Party Nintendo characters, no rights to negotiate, easiest to work with. (Smash 4 Vets, Plant, ARMS Rep)
• Third Parties who already have characters in the game are next, you're already working with them so start negotiations with them first. (Ryu, Joker, Hero)
• New Third Party companies, longer negotiations needed. (Cloud, Banjo, Terry)
• Promotional Picks, Sakurai made it clear that he had to develop Byleth while the team was still working on the game, it makes perfect sense why characters like that would be saved for last to make sure everything comes out good. (Corrin, Byleth)
  
  The only exception to the pattern is Bayonetta, who was the "ballot winner", she had to come last. It's not law obviously but it makes plenty of sense and Pass 2 seems to be following it again with ARMS as the first pack. They aren't ordering these characters based on hype or anything, it's based on which ones get negotiated/decided by Nintendo first and it just goes from there.

 

[Deleted member]

To second this ;

The rights to anything Dragon Quest are a complete mess , and despise that , look at what Sakurai manage to bring with him...
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Like seriously , I think some people here don't realize how insane all of this is.
Cloud litteraly came nothing but himself , 2 songs , and a stage. And then Sakurai just bring every Hero , 8 SONGS (4 Heroes playable or not , this is insane considering the DQ composer) and a full spirit board.

Remember when people thought we would only get Erdrick with 2 songs ? Yeah. If Sakurai want something , he'll get it.

Not to mention the Mii costumes.

At first one may think these don't really count, but considering Banjo got none even when there could have been really good choices for some (such as Mumbo Jumbo or Gruntilda) I'd say It does mean a lot for this.

 

[Spatulo]

I meant low sales in comparison to LM3.

Decisions to promote games would’ve been made long before the games were out, since the pass lineup was definitely finalized before we knew about it, so it’s kinda silly to assume that they looked at Luigi’s Mansion 3 in July and said “Oh yeah this game is gonna sell more than the franchise ever has, so no need to promote it.”

 

[Vector Victor]

Well, the fiscal earnings dropped, heres a link if you are interested. https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/earnings/index.html

Animal Crossing sold 11.5 million in 10 days.

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Smash DLC is still set for June.

And, "Oh god, they really have nothing coming out do they".
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They also don't seem to be doing an investors meeting and just a conference call. Which means unlike every year they've said nothing about their plans for E3, or rather what they plan to do instead. The panic is really setting in now.

I'm confused. This comes off as both 'Relax you doom gloomers, Nintendo is doing fine' and 'Crap, Nintendo is in chaos and are screwed.'

 

[MattX20]

While I can't say how Nintendo is doing as a whole, Sakurai's comments regarding the DLC in the last Famitsu column basically say that things are still fine and more or less on schedule. Geno's still got a strong case going for him

 

[Deleted member]

Imagine ever arguing that Geno is a one off side character and therefore cannot manage to get into Smash, but then expecting anyone from Luigi's Mansion to make it in thanks to a lack of spirits promoting a new game. Not that anyone in this thread is guilty of such, but it's a non-argument and I think the only thing that sours people's opinions of spirit events that are "missing" is Three Houses, which is a special case all on its own if you look past "muh shill Fire Emblem pick".

Three Houses was teased in 2017, which is also when full steam production started on it. It had a year's worth of development under its belt before Smash came out and people had a good reason to wonder where the representation for the game was at, since we haven't been able to avoid the latest Fire Emblem game getting some representation in Smash since Brawl.

Luigi's Mansion, however, was announced after Smash released, stars a character that's already in Smash, most of the supporting cast is already in Smash (Mario, Peach, etc) and the few unique characters remaining probably just aren't cut out to be fighters. I like E. Gadd as much as the next guy, but Sakurai's already got his three most iconic creations being used by other characters. Speaking of which, maybe everyone is overlooking it, but Luigi's Mansion 3 already got its representation: Luigi's grab was changed, remember? To a brand new Poltergust, which hadn't been seen at all before Simon's trailer... So despite the fact that Luigi's Mansion 3 wouldn't be announced for another month, his new weapon was already being subtly shilled to us.

Also, this kind of flips the "spirits deconfirm" script... but what spirits would they even add for Luigi's Mansion 3? I didn't play it, so I'm sure they introduced some new characters, but are there enough new characters to make a full spirit board out of? E. Gadd, King Boo, ghost dog, and the Poltergust itself are already spirits. ARMS can bring the other 10 or 11 characters that aren't represented as spirits yet, but you're hard pressed to try to squeeze more spirits in for a world in the Mario franchise that isn't an RPG.

Sure. Generic yellow ghost and green banana eating ghost and spooky blue ghost could stand to be spirits, but there's a sense that spirits really are supposed to make people happy and feel like they're mixing elements of the game worlds together to make something unique, so it makes sense to me that they cut down on faceless enemies from spinoffs.

 

[Lord Woomy]

Imagine ever arguing that Geno is a one off side character and therefore cannot manage to get into Smash, but then expecting anyone from Luigi's Mansion to make it in thanks to a lack of spirits promoting a new game.

Smash fans contorting logic to try and explain how a LM3 character is guaranteed while Geno is still deconfirmed like

 

[Loliko YnT]

Also, this kind of flips the "spirits deconfirm" script... but what spirits would they even add for Luigi's Mansion 3? I didn't play it, so I'm sure they introduced some new characters, but are there enough new characters to make a full spirit board out of? E. Gadd, King Boo, ghost dog, and the Poltergust itself are already spirits. ARMS can bring the other 10 or 11 characters that aren't represented as spirits yet, but you're hard pressed to try to squeeze more spirits in for a world in the Mario franchise that isn't an RPG.

Sure. Generic yellow ghost and green banana eating ghost and spooky blue ghost could stand to be spirits, but there's a sense that spirits really are supposed to make people happy and feel like they're mixing elements of the game worlds together to make something unique, so it makes sense to me that they cut down on faceless enemies from spinoffs.

At best :
Hellen Gravely
Steward
Gooigi
The new Poltergust

The other boss ghosts don't have any renders , only 3D models. Unless they're okay with 3D models as spirits , that way we could get a full spirit board , but I doubt it.

 

[Deleted member]

At best :
Hellen Gravely
Steward
Gooigi
The new Poltergust

The other boss ghosts don't have any renders , only 3D models. Unless they're okay with 3D models as spirits , that way we could get a full spirit board , but I doubt it.

I think they're fine with using in-game models. I think the ideal for spirits would be to use only the concept/presentation artwork, but a lot of that stuff is probably lost, and newer stuff only ever gets high poly 3D renders instead of any nice, hand drawn stuff, so we end up getting a seemingly careless mixture of official artwork, quality renders, sprites, weird plastic looking renders from the Gamecube era, the even weirder renders from the Donkey Kong Country era, etc.

 

[Spatulo]

I think they're fine with using in-game models. I think the ideal for spirits would be to use only the concept/presentation artwork, but a lot of that stuff is probably lost, and newer stuff only ever gets high poly 3D renders instead of any nice, hand drawn stuff, so we end up getting a seemingly careless mixture of official artwork, quality renders, sprites, weird plastic looking renders from the Gamecube era, the even weirder renders from the Donkey Kong Country era, etc.

It’s worth noting that at least half the Banjo-Kazooie spirits were brand new renders

 

[Loliko YnT]

I think they're fine with using in-game models. I think the ideal for spirits would be to use only the concept/presentation artwork, but a lot of that stuff is probably lost, and newer stuff only ever gets high poly 3D renders instead of any nice, hand drawn stuff, so we end up getting a seemingly careless mixture of official artwork, quality renders, sprites, weird plastic looking renders from the Gamecube era, the even weirder renders from the Donkey Kong Country era, etc.

Well , if they're fine with that , they have 10+ different boss ghosts to work with for spirit battles.

Spoiler: LM3 Bosses , beware , spoilers

there is more , bit it's the picture with the most bosses I could find.

It would just be strange to promote this game of all things , especially as FP2. I'm sure King Boo is kind of like Eggman ; Not a big vocal fanbase , but he woud have a fun moveset and people could enjoy his inclusion regardless.

And in the end , due to how wack Geno's situation is , we could get 2 Mario characters. (Especially since King Boo or Hellen Gravely are so separated from the main Mario universe , in term of moveset.)

 

[Deleted member]

It’s worth noting that at least half the Banjo-Kazooie spirits were brand new renders

I'm glad they spared us those hideous N64 models.

 

[Loliko YnT]

I'm glad they spared us those hideous N64 models.

Well , they had 3D renders made back when BK released. Unless you're refering to the litteral 3D models in game , they had pre-existing renders to use.
I also find it a bit ironic , since the SMRPG renders are even more outdated , like , look at my man Booster lol

 

[Deleted member]

Well , they had 3D renders made back when BK released. Unless you're refering to the litteral 3D models in game , they had pre-existing renders to use.
I also find it a bit ironic , since the SMRPG renders are even more outdated , like , look at my man Booster lol
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I meant the in game models. Mario RPG renders were godlike for their time. In my opinion the N64 era Banjo renders are unsettling because the characters look unsettling.

 

[Loliko YnT]

I meant the in game models. Mario RPG renders were godlike for their time. In my opinion the N64 era Banjo renders are unsettling because the characters look unsettling.

Yeah , SMRPG renders were super good for the SNES era , but looking back at them , some of them really look goofy lol.

And yeah , some BK characters like Mumbo Jumbo look pretty creepy , but I feel like other do it pretty well , like Gruntilda.

 

[MattX20]

To be honest, the Mario RPG renders have dated considerably and could use a modern glowup

 

[Icewolff92]

Remember when people thought we would only get Erdrick with 2 songs ? Yeah. If Sakurai want something , he'll get it.

It¨s Nintendo that does the paperwork (aka, works out the deal with said studios). Not Sakurai.