Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Icewolff92]

EarlTamm It sure fits him

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

So, I want your guys opinion. It is of the utmost importance.

Spoiler: Question

How do you feeling about Sakurai's new haircut?

I like it.

Probably has something to do with his arm.

He looks a bit healthier. I'm just grateful he seems to be slowing his roll a little and taking it easy.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I agree, they'll also talk about DQ stage, music, Spirits and alt Heroes. That's without going into any extra modes.

I heavily doubt that another character being revealed before and 's release. Dragon Quest is huge in Japan, they don't need another reveal to carry the stream.

That's honestly a great point, and to build off of that: Dragon Quest already had to share the limelight at its reveal with Banjo Kazooie, so there's actually a really damn good reason to have this show/stream be entirely about Hero and Dragon Quest. Give the series its much deserved moment in the sun for crying out loud without upstaging it a second time. There's no reason to deny the series such a moment other than satisfying impatient people.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

A reason that I think we could get another character reveal with Hero is this:

Hero’s release is the “make or break” for Fighter’s Pass purchases. Those of us (such as myself) who didn’t purchase the FP yet have to decide at the release of Hero whether we want to continue to buy individually or take the plunge and buy the entire FP. It doesn’t make any fiscal sense to buy the FP once you purchase two characters individually, so this is their last real chance to prove that the pass is worth buying to those of us who have been on the fence.

Edit: I would like to take a moment to say how much better my thread experience has been since I’ve made use of the ignore button a couple weeks back. Bless up.

 

[Icewolff92]

He looks a bit healthier. I'm just grateful he seems to be slowing his roll a little and taking it easy.

He does look healthier, that's for sure. Let¨s hope that. no matter if we get another FP or Sakurai is working on a new game next (please be a Kid Icarus Uprising sequel...) that he takes an extremely long vacation. Granted, he is a workaholic so 1-2 weeks are maybe the best we could hope for.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

A reason that I think we could get another character reveal with Hero is this:

Hero’s release is the “make or break” for Fighter’s Pass purchases. Those of us (such as myself) who didn’t purchase the FP yet have to decide at the release of Hero whether we want to continue to buy individually or take the plunge and buy the entire FP. It doesn’t make any fiscal sense to buy the FP once you purchase two characters individually, so this is their last real chance to prove that the pass is worth buying to those of us who have been on the fence.

They've been selling the Fighter's Pass for 8 months counting the time it was available pre-release and they've revealed 3 of the 5 fighters publicly already. I'm sure they've already made satisfactory profit from the early adopters and most people understood their stance on the Fighter's Pass at E3 if they hadn't already decided. I think most people have made up their minds already and honestly, the minute you bought one individually you were likely giving up the choice to buy the Fighter's Pass since 1+ Fighter's Pass actually end up with you paying $1 extra still and essentially serves as a waste.

If anything, you just make a more compelling case for Hero since he's already been revealed and win over people who weren't entirely convinced on him to make him and the Pass more appealing.

Edit: And as an aside to the general thread, the idea that this presentation won't just be about Dragon Quest after having to share the stage with Banjo Kazooie at E3 really bothers me the more I think about it. It's a massive series that deserves respect and the chance for some time in the spotlight. The least they can do is wait until EVO to show someone else off instead of stealing the spotlight of what is objectively a huge, influential, and important series yet again to share just because Smash fans can't be bothered to wait or shown something that isn't specifically for them.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

They've been selling the Fighter's Pass for 8 months counting the time it was available pre-release and they've revealed 3 of the 5 fighters publicly already. I'm sure they've already made satisfactory profit from the early adopters and most people understood their stance on the Fighter's Pass at E3 if they hadn't already decided. I think most people have made up their minds already and honestly, the minute you bought one individually you were likely giving up the choice to buy the Fighter's Pass since 1+ Fighter's Pass actually end up with you paying $1 extra still and essentially serves as a waste.

If anything, you just make a more compelling case for Hero since he's already been revealed and win over people who weren't entirely convinced on him to make him and the Pass more appealing.

Edit: And as an aside to the general thread, the idea that this presentation won't just be about Dragon Quest after having to share the stage with Banjo Kazooie at E3 really bothers me the more I think about it. It's a massive series that deserves respect and the chance for some time in the spotlight. The least they can do is wait until EVO to show someone else off instead of stealing the spotlight of what is objectively a huge, influential, and important series yet again to share just because Smash fans can't be bothered to wait or shown something that isn't specifically for them.

I understand your stance fairly well and I agree that the series deserves its spotlight. However, I will clarify this. If Square were to theoretically get a second character hinted at during this thing, it's not taking away from Dragon Quest. Dragon Quest fans will enjoy it regardless of whether Chrono, Geno, Sora, or Lara were to be teased at the very end of the video. It's not impossible because people's appeals to different properties are there. There are those who like the meta, the fighters, the content, the franchise representation, or the game of Smash. My point is that if Square were to get another character, they would want to market the h*** out of it and having it at the end of the video wouldn't steal popularity from Dragon Quest. Most people would either watch the video for Dragon Quest content or for Smash content. The hypothetical fighter is only really going to take away from the Smash side of hype for Hero and even then, that's doubtful.

Edit: forgot to mention Bubble Bobble

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I understand your stance fairly well and I agree that the series deserves its spotlight. However, I will clarify this. If Square were to theoretically get a second character hinted at during this thing, it's not taking away from Dragon Quest. Dragon Quest fans will enjoy it regardless of whether Chrono, Geno, Sora, or Lara were to be teased at the very end of the video. It's not impossible because people's appeals to different properties are there. There are those who like the meta, the fighters, the content, the franchise representation, or the game of Smash. My point is that if Square were to get another character, they would want to market the h*** out of it and having it at the end of the video wouldn't steal popularity from Dragon Quest. Most people would either watch the video for Dragon Quest content or for Smash content. The hypothetical fighter is only really going to take away from the Smash side of hype for Hero and even then, that's doubtful.

Edit: forgot to mention Bubble Bobble

I mean, if we were to hypothetically get Geno during this presentation, we all know that it would be the big news that would dominate over everything that was said about Hero and Version 4.0. Every headline published about the event would be, "Fan Favorite Geno Finally Makes It In" with a small note that other details were revealed about Hero and 4.0. Character reveals have a tendency to absolutely trump everything else that can be talked about Smash related and always occupy the headlines. You don't really tease Smash characters... you just reveal them and that's exactly how Sakurai has always operated. Teasing isn't something he does in that sort of manner and he certainly doesn't play long cons.

All I'm saying is that if they do have a character reveal planned for this week for whatever reason, the least they can do is just let Hero's video be about Hero and then show them off at EVO or even just wait until the September Direct. There's no pressing reason for a reveal to be in this specific video detailing Hero with big events that make more sense for character reveals to be at coming up so soon.

 

[osby]

I'm just saying that Persona is a lot smaller than Dragon Quest and they had no problem giving a Joker a release trailer on his own, with no other characters whatsoever.

 

[Icewolff92]

I understand your stance fairly well and I agree that the series deserves its spotlight. However, I will clarify this. If Square were to theoretically get a second character hinted at during this thing, it's not taking away from Dragon Quest. Dragon Quest fans will enjoy it regardless of whether Chrono, Geno, Sora, or Lara were to be teased at the very end of the video. It's not impossible because people's appeals to different properties are there. There are those who like the meta, the fighters, the content, the franchise representation, or the game of Smash. My point is that if Square were to get another character, they would want to market the h*** out of it and having it at the end of the video wouldn't steal popularity from Dragon Quest. Most people would either watch the video for Dragon Quest content or for Smash content. The hypothetical fighter is only really going to take away from the Smash side of hype for Hero and even then, that's doubtful.

Edit: forgot to mention Bubble Bobble

Banjo & Kazooie got a massive amount of hype and even overshadowed Hero for a good amount over in Japan. In the west, it was just Banjo & Kazooie for obvious reasons. With that in mind, and Square, as well as Nintendo, being open about wanting to push Dragons Quest here in the west, it wouldn¨t be that smart to announce another character. Especially if it would be someone like Geno or Sora. We also have to remind ourself that Sakurai himself is going to be apart of this demonstration and he feels like he can go scriptless on this. He loves the franchise and more than likely wants to give the character 100% spotlight.

I¨m not saying that there is an impossibility of them revealing the fourth characters on Tuesday. But if we are getting one in the near future, its more than likely announced during the Smash Bros Ultimate day at EVO at earliest.

 

[ForsakenM]

Spoiler: Large post

Have you seen all the animations? Do you think animations being slightly better is somehow a lie? And there's the problem. You're looking at it in the worst possible light instead of the full picture. The animations are better. They're just not as much better as people want. Making one broken gimmick doesn't mean they weren't trying to balance the game better too. It does not correlate. We don't know how the gimmick will play out in competitive play. That's not a claim that can be made.

They didn't just say "porting them over was hard", they said that they couldn't fully make them work on the Switch. That means a snag was hit while trying to port them over. It could be that the textures were invalid for a ported over mess and they had to redo the models entirely to make the textures cooperate. They might've had to make all new textures too. We lack any real context to make the claim right now. In addition to that, when recreating models for a game, it's not unusual for a developer to remake the same model, but with the only difference being it compatible for the console/kit in question. There's also little context to these tweets. I shouldn't need to go offsite to give a quick explanation. I also have zero time to read any of these links. I'm very busy with other stuff that is vastly more important than the latest complaints about Pokemon. So I'll ask this then; do they have a development kit for a Switch game when porting these models over? That's the key context I need before I can say if I still believe GF is lying.

Oh, and it's not blind faith whatsoever. I'm a game developer myself. I take companies quite seriously because I get where they're coming from. I'm not just a player alone. I have insight on the hard workings too. An example of where snags can happen is that Diamond and Pearl were very difficult for them to program. Not just because of models needed, but because it was an all-new system. This is the reason the game is so slow. They're new to using the system. Gamefreak has never at any point but a severe amount of Pokemon in one game filled with tons of locations, NPC's, items, and over 1000 models. Is it any surprise they are having trouble in make SwSh? Let's saying they were lying partially about the models(in that they were able to be transferred over). This won't change the immense workload they need to do to input over 2000 textures on, make sure all of them properly work within the all-new game engine, make sure there is no immense lag in locations full of tons of stuff, and still make the animations work)which the animations work pretty well. And better than the previous game. Again, not as good as people expected. But they expected too much over an all new and massive game, even with quite a few missing Pokemon). Remember, NPC's are full models and textures too. There's just that damn much to input into one game with a harsh time limit. National Dex wasn't even feasible even if they could transfer over models. Not without taking ages to do after the game was released.

That's how big of a deal the workload is. We're lucky we got everyone back in S/M/US/UM.

Spoiler: Final Pokemon Rant.

Listen, I get it: hard work, yada yada.

This isn't about whether it's hard or not: it's about GameFreak no longer caring about the quality of the main-line Pokemon games. They haven't for a long time, and it shows. Even if the work was hard, they could still get it all done with a bigger budget to spend on more manpower and talent, but they don't. I'm not sure how many times I have to repeat that: they have the ability to get it done, and they don't take it.

I'm not a game dev. In fact, other than small things I've tinkered with here and there, I know very little about game design. However, I do acknowledge the effort and work that goes into even as something as small as a pixel-art game, let alone bigger projects. And yet, other studios take on big tasks and get it done...but GameFreak can't? Or is it that GameFreak won't?

No matter how you may defend them, here are the facts:

1. GameFreak could have an infinitely bigger budget, yet they refuse to work beyond 20 million.
2. This 20 million covers everything and everyone involved in the game, which is why they cannot afford extra temp help.
3. This forces them to cut corners and remove content and heavily re-use assets and barely innovate between titles.
4. Less than half of the team works on Pokemon on top of all of this, meaning less than 70 people. More cut corners, removed content, re-used assets.
5. It has been proven that they are inefficient at optimization and their games suffer for it. This poor optimization still exists in 2019.
6. They make poor excuses to cover the fact that the games are sub-par because they no longer prioritize them.
7. They release a product that is a shadow of what it could be, and you still buy it, allowing them to continue this cycle.

Also, I didn't see you come up with an answer to the other guy who posted the visual proof that the models are exactly the same and how that's impossible to do if they were remade from scratch. Thus, either they are talking about new Pokemon, Dynamax, they misspoke, or they are lying. How about the fact that you act as if I'm cherry picking by pointing out the bad animations or outdated ones while you are pointing out the good ones. There are more reused and outdated and weak animations than there are good at this point. Sure, there are a couple good looking ones, but not nearly enough. The Pokemon still don't feel alive.

Also also, other people have already shown how easy it is to port over models, even if there are initial issues. Just like other people have shown how easy it is to use the more lively animations they have, and like how people have shown how easy it is to animate lifeless models, and like how people have shown others how crystal clear it is that GameFreak is just doing typical company stuff...yet here we are.

Before I call this, just to speak on the Wingull real quick: first off, seagulls can and do flap their wings. Yes, they can drift of air current and gust around cliffs and the ocean, but they can flap. Wingull is mere inches off the flat grassy ground with no air currents or gusts nearby and is T-posing while turning on a dime like someone was adjusting a lawn ornament. In fact, that's what it looks like in game: a lawn ornament being adjusted. A student in school did better in a day. There are no excuses here.

I going to say we should agree to disagree: for some reason you wish to support a company who doesn't support your best interest, and that is your call. I choose to pass on this generation, which is sad because this was going to be my reason to get a holiday Switch for myself on top of Smash. I was excited for this, and GameFreak pulled a Ghost Busters/Star Wars/GoT/Anthem/Mass Effect: Andromeda/Fall Out 76/Sea of Thieves/No Man's Sky...I think you get the idea here.

It's not that Sword and Shield are arriving to us as broken as some of these things, but they are arriving that much of a let down and a sign that the creators are thinking more about themselves and their pockets than us. I don't think the games are garbage, but they are definitely a below-average to average just based on what we have seen. It's more of the same with little change and a handful of new shiny monsters to collect with another silly gimmick to distract you from the fact that GameFreak hasn't made the game truly better for years. It will receive praises it doesn't deserve and everyone with your mindset or less will give GameFreak all the assurance they need to keep trying less and less and focus on other games like Town and Project Gear more and more.

Now that I can focus on Smash again, I will say that I don't expect any character announcements on Tuesday. I will welcome them, but I expect nothing. I still think something could happen at EVO, but with Sony taking the stage AND Hero being shown off beforehand...I'm not as confident in the possibility.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Spoiler: Final Pokemon Rant.

Listen, I get it: hard work, yada yada.

This isn't about whether it's hard or not: it's about GameFreak no longer caring about the quality of the main-line Pokemon games. They haven't for a long time, and it shows. Even if the work was hard, they could still get it all done with a bigger budget to spend on more manpower and talent, but they don't. I'm not sure how many times I have to repeat that: they have the ability to get it done, and they don't take it.

I'm not a game dev. In fact, other than small things I've tinkered with here and there, I know very little about game design. However, I do acknowledge the effort and work that goes into even as something as small as a pixel-art game, let alone bigger projects. And yet, other studios take on big tasks and get it done...but GameFreak can't? Or is it that GameFreak won't?

No matter how you may defend them, here are the facts:

1. GameFreak could have an infinitely bigger budget, yet they refuse to work beyond 20 million.
2. This 20 million covers everything and everyone involved in the game, which is why they cannot afford extra temp help.
3. This forces them to cut corners and remove content and heavily re-use assets and barely innovate between titles.
4. Less than half of the team works on Pokemon on top of all of this, meaning less than 70 people. More cut corners, removed content, re-used assets.
5. It has been proven that they are inefficient at optimization and their games suffer for it. This poor optimization still exists in 2019.
6. They make poor excuses to cover the fact that the games are sub-par because they no longer prioritize them.
7. They release a product that is a shadow of what it could be, and you still buy it, allowing them to continue this cycle.

Also, I didn't see you come up with an answer to the other guy who posted the visual proof that the models are exactly the same and how that's impossible to do if they were remade from scratch. Thus, either they are talking about new Pokemon, Dynamax, they misspoke, or they are lying. How about the fact that you act as if I'm cherry picking by pointing out the bad animations or outdated ones while you are pointing out the good ones. There are more reused and outdated and weak animations than there are good at this point. Sure, there are a couple good looking ones, but not nearly enough. The Pokemon still don't feel alive.

Also also, other people have already shown how easy it is to port over models, even if there are initial issues. Just like other people have shown how easy it is to use the more lively animations they have, and like how people have shown how easy it is to animate lifeless models, and like how people have shown others how crystal clear it is that GameFreak is just doing typical company stuff...yet here we are.

Before I call this, just to speak on the Wingull real quick: first off, seagulls can and do flap their wings. Yes, they can drift of air current and gust around cliffs and the ocean, but they can flap. Wingull is mere inches off the flat grassy ground with no air currents or gusts nearby and is T-posing while turning on a dime like someone was adjusting a lawn ornament. In fact, that's what it looks like in game: a lawn ornament being adjusted. A student in school did better in a day. There are no excuses here.

I going to say we should agree to disagree: for some reason you wish to support a company who doesn't support your best interest, and that is your call. I choose to pass on this generation, which is sad because this was going to be my reason to get a holiday Switch for myself on top of Smash. I was excited for this, and GameFreak pulled a Ghost Busters/Star Wars/GoT/Anthem/Mass Effect: Andromeda/Fall Out 76/Sea of Thieves/No Man's Sky...I think you get the idea here.

It's not that Sword and Shield are arriving to us as broken as some of these things, but they are arriving that much of a let down and a sign that the creators are thinking more about themselves and their pockets than us. I don't think the games are garbage, but they are definitely a below-average to average just based on what we have seen. It's more of the same with little change and a handful of new shiny monsters to collect with another silly gimmick to distract you from the fact that GameFreak hasn't made the game truly better for years. It will receive praises it doesn't deserve and everyone with your mindset or less will give GameFreak all the assurance they need to keep trying less and less and focus on other games like Town and Project Gear more and more.

Now that I can focus on Smash again, I will say that I don't expect any character announcements on Tuesday. I will welcome them, but I expect nothing. I still think something could happen at EVO, but with Sony taking the stage AND Hero being shown off beforehand...I'm not as confident in the possibility.

I'll say this in defense of Pokemon Sword/Shield. Even if the game cuts lots of content in places and doesn't look absolutely amazing as a step-up to HD as people expected... it's almost certainly not going to be anywhere near the literally broken messes of Fallout 76 and Mass Effect Andromeda, will have more meaningful content just by virtue of being a RPG than Anthem, No Man's Sky, and Sea of Thieves, and doesn't engage in the absolutely predatory nature of many of those games.

You can say it's accepting subpar quality content all you want, but unless something is seriously wrong with Pokemon at release, it's going to be very far removed from those disasters and games built upon monetization models and we need to acknowledge the differences in such things. A yearly payment for Pokemon Home is ****ty... but it's not infinite microtransactions and the $60 game built around a pay-to-win model ****ty, nor will it be anywhere near as anemic as Sea of Thieves or No Man's Sky were at launch.

 

[Ayumi Tachibana]

Banjo & Kazooie got a massive amount of hype and even overshadowed Hero for a good amount over in Japan. In the west, it was just Banjo & Kazooie for obvious reasons. With that in mind, and Square, as well as Nintendo, being open about wanting to push Dragons Quest here in the west, it wouldn¨t be that smart to announce another character. Especially if it would be someone like Geno or Sora. We also have to remind ourself that Sakurai himself is going to be apart of this demonstration and he feels like he can go scriptless on this. He loves the franchise and more than likely wants to give the character 100% spotlight.

I¨m not saying that there is an impossibility of them revealing the fourth characters on Tuesday. But if we are getting one in the near future, its more than likely announced during the Smash Bros Ultimate day at EVO at earliest.

Japan's Banjo hype you see were mostly because the E3 direct was aired past midnight there. Only dedicated gaming fans were waking and watching at that time and most of reactioners you see on youtube are of course hardcore Nintendo fans so they knew about Banjo and his circumstances.
DQ's ridiculous sells in Japan is because it has large amount non-gamer fans. There are people don't play any home console games but only DQ. Normies in Japan know DQ and the look of Yuusha but not many of them know Banjo.
So Banjo hype in Japan was temporary sadly enough. I think the rise of Hero's reveal trailer view count shows that too.

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

I'll say this in defense of Pokemon Sword/Shield. Even if the game cuts lots of content in places and doesn't look absolutely amazing as a step-up to HD as people expected... it's almost certainly not going to be anywhere near the literally broken messes of Fallout 76 and Mass Effect Andromeda, will have more meaningful content just by virtue of being a RPG than Anthem, No Man's Sky, and Sea of Thieves, and doesn't engage in the absolutely predatory nature of many of those games.

You can say it's accepting subpar quality content all you want, but unless something is seriously wrong with Pokemon at release, it's going to be very far removed from those disasters and games built upon monetization models and we need to acknowledge the differences in such things. A yearly payment for Pokemon Home is ****ty... but it's not infinite microtransactions and the $60 game built around a pay-to-win model ****ty, nor will it be anywhere near as anemic as Sea of Thieves or No Man's Sky were at launch.

"It's going to be terrible, but at least it won't be THAT terrible."

So...? Forgive me for jumping in on this but that's not an excuse or justification at all. I think you can tell from my username my profile picture and just about every single thing I've ever done on any website that I love pokemon, but I'm not buying this game. I don't want to support the bare minimum.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Lordy, this'll take forever, so I'll summarize;

Spoiler: I'm more or less done with this debate, bar one point, which you need to carefully read to understand what I'm asking.

I don't care about giant high-end graphics. I honestly am very pleased with how good SwSh looks right now. This is more than enough for me. The only game I ever found an eyesore to look at at any point was the original FFVII before any porting was done. And that was justified by it being an all-new system to work with. While Wingull is somewhat of a fair point, it still doesn't bother me. Just to clear that up too. I don't expect anything better from any single developer to begin with. It honestly looks very lifeful to me as is.

GF isn't being lazy or incompetent. The whole budget hing is missing a key factor; they do not solely own the IP and have to adhere to what TPC and Nintendo also want. They are given an unreasonable time limit along with have to decide together(if even that) on what the budget is. They also are more or less forced to do too many games at once. Nintendo and TPC are basically a massive part of the issue here. GF is basically the ones being shoved into making too many games they can handle at once. And they themselves pretty much cannot simply give away the IP. That money is what pays employees, and those jobs are very important, as it's what helps them have actual lives.

As for the porting over, I don't have time to look it up fully myself with every tiny detail. I'm not going to assume anything is bad without a proper summary of what everything is being talked about. I'm dealing with a death in the family along with moderating this website, and a ton of other stuff. I will never have any real time to go over it. I am a game developer, but I'm beginner level. I probably won't be able to understand a lot of wording they're using to begin with. I'm doing the best I can with the tiny amount of context I have. So all I need to know is what is simply meant by "porting it over". That's vague context. Are they making their own Switch game via development kit? Are they putting it into Let's Go? I don't know. I have asked you early for some more clear context on it. Saying "watch the video" isn't going to do anything helpful in explaining the issue. It's something I really can't prioritize right now. That's why I want a bit more context on what they're actually doing. I haven't been able to really read any of those tweets or watch any of those videos. You can safely assume I will never be able to.

I'll leave off with this; I am not going to rehash this either. If somebody wants to better explain the "porting over" context that'd be neat. That is, actual details in their own words, not throwing links at me. Otherwise, I'm not going to continue with this debate whatsoever. I mean, obviously people will tag or quote me. But that won't matter since I'm done beyond the explanation I'm requesting. I'd vastly prefer if you don't quote or tag me unless you intend to give that explanation, as well.

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

Lordy, this'll take forever, so I'll summarize;

Spoiler: I'm more or less done with this debate, bar one point, which you need to carefully read to understand what I'm asking.

I don't care about giant high-end graphics. I honestly am very pleased with how good SwSh looks right now. This is more than enough for me. The only game I ever found an eyesore to look at at any point was the original FFVII before any porting was done. And that was justified by it being an all-new system to work with. While Wingull is somewhat of a fair point, it still doesn't bother me. Just to clear that up too. I don't expect anything better from any single developer to begin with. It honestly looks very lifeful to me as is.

GF isn't being lazy or incompetent. The whole budget hing is missing a key factor; they do not solely own the IP and have to adhere to what TPC and Nintendo also want. They are given an unreasonable time limit along with have to decide together(if even that) on what the budget is. They also are more or less forced to do too many games at once. Nintendo and TPC are basically a massive part of the issue here. GF is basically the ones being shoved into making too many games they can handle at once. And they themselves pretty much cannot simply give away the IP. That money is what pays employees, and those jobs are very important, as it's what helps them have actual lives.

As for the porting over, I don't have time to look it up fully myself with every tiny detail. I'm not going to assume anything is bad without a proper summary of what everything is being talked about. I'm dealing with a death in the family along with moderating this website, and a ton of other stuff. I will never have any real time to go over it. I am a game developer, but I'm beginner level. I probably won't be able to understand a lot of wording they're using to begin with. I'm doing the best I can with the tiny amount of context I have. So all I need to know is what is simply meant by "porting it over". That's vague context. Are they making their own Switch game via development kit? Are they putting it into Let's Go? I don't know. I have asked you early for some more clear context on it. Saying "watch the video" isn't going to do anything helpful in explaining the issue. It's something I really can't prioritize right now. That's why I want a bit more context on what they're actually doing. I haven't been able to really read any of those tweets or watch any of those videos. You can safely assume I will never be able to.

I'll leave off with this; I am not going to rehash this either. If somebody wants to better explain the "porting over" context that'd be neat. That is, actual details in their own words, not throwing links at me. Otherwise, I'm not going to continue with this debate whatsoever. I mean, obviously people will tag or quote me. But that won't matter since I'm done beyond the explanation I'm requesting. I'd vastly prefer if you don't quote or tag me unless you intend to give that explanation, as well.

I'm not personally aware of what they specifically meant when they said "porting it over", but what I understand of it:

Spoiler: pokemon stuff

The code for S/M/US/UM was on the computers at gamefreak, and with some adjustments for changing the programming language and compensating for different hardware, they basically just took the exact same source code and slapped it onto the switch to make Let's Go. This includes all the 3D models (that they've been using since X/Y) but they have given them new textures.

The reason we know it's the same code is from how the models move and such on the overworld, mostly. Not that there's a problem with re-using the same engine, it cuts down on the workload quite a lot. The problem is, obviously, they're claiming they can't possibly keep the National Dex because it'd be too much work, while at the same time not actually creating anything entirely new for those old pokemon. (other than dynamax forms? which doesnt really count.)

TL;DR, they basically did the equivalent of porting S/M to switch, (as if they were doing S/M HD) and then changed the game itself to be in Galar instead of Alola.

Also worth noting: GameFreak has famously and notoriously been bad at programming since their inception. I don't think I have to tell you how much of a broken mess Pokemon R/B is, but even worse is when you consider some more recent mistakes they're continuing to make. (A good example is the totem pokemon in gen 7 being stored seperately in the game's data, despite being the exact same models just made bigger. The 3DS pokemon games are FILLED with terrible optimization like this, which is why the filesize is so enormous.)

My own personal theory is that they're removing the National Dex not because of the workload involved, but because they don't want the filesize to be too big. I mean think about it, they're probably making every single Dynamax form of every pokemon stored in the data as an entirely seperate model. You'd have to download every single pokemon twice. Even more considering alternate forms and gender differences.

I'm sure the dev team is doing their best. I'm just mad that the higher ups aren't giving GF more money or hiring more programmers or whatever.

Anyway Geno time. Update: i still want him in smash.

Do any of you think we'll get other SMRPG mii costumes along with Geno when his costume inevitably comes back? Assuming he's not planned as an actual fighter, obviously. A mallow swordfighter with the froggy stick would be dope. Or a Booster brawler?

 

[Icewolff92]

Correct me if I¨m wrong, but weren¨t they're a game-breaking bug based on Mii Swordfighter and Duck Hunt Duo because they were the basis for Banjo and Hero?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Correct me if I¨m wrong, but weren¨t they're a game-breaking bug based on Mii Swordfighter and Duck Hunt Duo because they were the basis for Banjo and Hero?

It's never been proven it has any relations to that. It's just a theory only.

 

[Icewolff92]

It's never been proven it has any relations to that. It's just a theory only.

Hmm, okay. Just curious if it could mean anything if let's say Mii Gunner gets crazy after 4.0

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

Hmm, okay. Just curious if it could mean anything if let's say Mii Gunner gets crazy after 4.0

NEW GLITCH: Trying to put on the Geno Mii Costume instantly crashes the game??? What could this mean............

 

[Paperchampion23]

Welp, this is it. The wait is coming to an end on Tuesday.

Honestly, being in the Geno thread, it doesn't end until it actually happens.

 

[T2by4]

Tinfoil hat theory time. They won't release the geno mii costume until the very last dlc. Ninteninjas are secretly watching this thread because they know a lot of leaks appear on this thread first and are able to snuff it out should they find the source here. Geno is nothing more than a pawn to keep leaks in a confined area for nintendo to look at and be able to catch quickly like they did with sabi, he will never be playable and they played us like a damn fiddle.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Edit: Update! It looks like we may have gotten a leak.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20..._reveal_the_heros_smash_ultimate_release_date

Look buddy, I have no idea either. I saw someone else do it so I figured it was a common thing.

Because it's hard to tell someone's intent, serious or facetious, when they're just using text (especially if they don't formulate sentences normally like most other users).

It's never been proven it has any relations to that. It's just a theory only.

Don't you find it the least bit odd that those two characters that caused errors just so happened to be somewhat similar to the DLC newcomers?

Besides, it's not like they make these guys out of thin air, bases must be used to help make development easier. Joker alone was noted to have a melting pot of animations from assorted characters, for some of his normal attacks.

Tinfoil hat theory time. They won't release the geno mii costume until the very last dlc. Ninteninjas are secretly watching this thread because they know a lot of leaks appear on this thread first and are able to snuff it out should they find the source here. Geno is nothing more than a pawn to keep leaks in a confined area for nintendo to look at and be able to catch quickly like they did with sabi, he will never be playable and they played us like a damn fiddle.

Given that logic, the whole thread would have been C&Ded by now. Not every company plays mind games like Atlus or ArcSys. Least of all Nintendo, which is behind the times on some aspects.

"It's going to be terrible, but at least it won't be THAT terrible."

So...? Forgive me for jumping in on this but that's not an excuse or justification at all. I think you can tell from my username my profile picture and just about every single thing I've ever done on any website that I love pokemon, but I'm not buying this game. I don't want to support the bare minimum.

Voting with your wallet's the best thing to do. Buying stuff blindly just to see if anything's wrong is just going to repeat the cycle.

 

[AmphabulouSnake]

You guys are WAYYY too confident about there being another character reveal this early lmao, especially at EVO of all places...
I say we'll have to wait till a October/November regular Nintendo direct after the release of Banjo to really have the fourth character, and then a Smash centric direct in December for the last character and potentially more surprises...
Also the video for tomorrow is probably pre-recorded, and I've not seen any Nintendo post mention that this was a livestream?
TBH it's probably just like Joker's video but with Sakurai talking casually instead, he probably still has a lot of things to talk about with the 4.0 update despite him not having a script.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Ladies and gentlemen, buckle your seatbelts. We are just 105 pages away from surpassing the Smash 4 K. Rool thread. Now, let's try to kick this thread into overdrive!

It's never been proven it has any relations to that. It's just a theory only.

It's a damn good theory though.

 

[osby]

Don't you find it the least bit odd that those two characters that caused errors just so happened to be somewhat similar to the DLC newcomers?

Besides, it's not like they make these guys out of thin air, bases must be used to help make development easier. Joker alone was noted to have a melting pot of animations from assorted characters, for some of his normal attacks.

I mean... Hero looks a lot more like than and a lot of fighters borrow moves and skeletons from each other without causing any crashes.

I think it's just a random glitch that people read too much into it. Was it even reproducible?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I mean... Hero looks a lot more like than and a lot of fighters borrow moves and skeletons from each other without causing any crashes.

I think it's just a random glitch that people read too much into it. Was it even reproducible?

What about then? There wasn't much that could be used to make faster. is probably the only outlier in this pattern.

But never mind any of that for now, it appears that Nintendo of Europe may have leaked Hero's release date in advance.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

What about then? There wasn't much that could be used to make faster. is probably the only outlier in this pattern.

But never mind any of that for now, it appears that Nintendo of Europe may have leaked Hero's release date in advance.

Me and Sigran101 believe the Mii Swordfighter is being used as a base for Lloyd. Sigran101 has a theory about that.

Edit: Lol! I said Mii Gunner instead of Mii Swordfighter.

 

[Vector Victor]

Well, I was looking forward to the showcase tomorrow, but the hype police kept that in check. So I'll watch the event sometime after it comes out.

 

[MissingGlitch]

Why are we arguing over something that can't be proven one way or the other. All we know is that it happened the way it did.

 

[wynn728]

A reason that I think we could get another character reveal with Hero is this:

Hero’s release is the “make or break” for Fighter’s Pass purchases. Those of us (such as myself) who didn’t purchase the FP yet have to decide at the release of Hero whether we want to continue to buy individually or take the plunge and buy the entire FP. It doesn’t make any fiscal sense to buy the FP once you purchase two characters individually, so this is their last real chance to prove that the pass is worth buying to those of us who have been on the fence.

Edit: I would like to take a moment to say how much better my thread experience has been since I’ve made use of the ignore button a couple weeks back. Bless up.

That honestly doesn't matter anymore on trying to sell people on the Fighter Pass. Each character is $5.99 and the Fighter Pass is $25, so if they don't convince people like you to buy the Fighters Pass but you wind up buying all the Fighters that means Nintendo got $29.95 from you instead of $25. They get more money so it doesn't matter on them selling you on the Fighters Pass, they just need to sell you on the Fighters themselves.

 

[AugustusB]

Why are we arguing over something that can't be proven one way or the other. All we know is that it happened the way it did.

This is very much true. I think some of us bring it up because this is not the first instance of this happening.

Zamus in Sm4sh before Bayonetta dropped crashed the game on a game mode. I do not believe there is any recorded evidence, but enough people have backed that it happened.

However, a coincidence, it could have been. Fun to think about? Absolutely.

Also, Hero and 4.0.0 drops on Wednesday supposedly from a deleted NoE tweet? Very glad we will get them this week. And interested to see what 4.0.0 has in store for us.

ALSO ALSO, will we see some high level Hero play in EVO? EDIT:

 

[SSGuy]

ALSO ALSO, will we see some high level Hero play in EVO?

Since he is coming out the week of, he and the 4.0.0 balance changes are banned from tournament play.

 

[link2702]

Unrelated to geno; I really hope they buff ganon in the 4.0.0 update...really he gets **** on too hard by projectile canpers and rushdowns. Give him something ANYTHING that can actually allow him to stand a chance against the likes of the belmonts, duckhunts, peachs/daisies and pichu’s just to name a few. I’ll even take a nerf to his physical power if they at least give him tools to deal with these types of characters more reliably.

More on topic; So should the geno Mii Costume drop and it is in fact a deconfirm (i still don’t believe it would be), how many here are gonna start picking up mii gunner just to have the closest thing we can to geno?

I played them a bit in smash4 specifically cuz the geno costume, but they feel widely different imo in ultimate to where idk if I would enjoy playing them.

 

[AugustusB]

Since he is coming out the week of, he and the 4.0.0 balance changes are banned from tournament play.

Meant for Pacman to accompany that lol. It is really odd to have this drop before EVO...to not be in EVO. Could Nintendo have given there patches ahead of time? Thinking on it, incredibly doubtful.

 

[Sigran101]

This is very much true. I think some of us bring it up because this is not the first instance of this happening.

Zamus in Sm4sh before Bayonetta dropped crashed the game on a game mode. I do not believe there is any recorded evidence, but enough people have backed that it happened.

However, a coincidence, it could have been. Fun to think about? Absolutely.

Also, Hero and 4.0.0 drops on Wednesday supposedly from a deleted NoE tweet? Very glad we will get them this week. And interested to see what 4.0.0 has in store for us.

ALSO ALSO, will we see some high level Hero play in EVO? EDIT:

Deleted tweet? They announced the video for 9:00 AM ET on Tuesday. 22 minutes long. That didn't get deleted did it?

 

[Fatmanonice]

Alright guys... So... It's time for me to be frank about some things. You all are my comrades so I figured I would be honest about tomorrow. The truth is... Nobody knows what's in the presentation. Apparently a lot of insiders knew it was going to happen but nobody knows what it will show. Here's some bullet points:

-Jon's otter posting was probably about this presentation.

-I don't know if the starling has anything to do with this presentation, something in the future or nothing at all.

-Even insiders who could practically quote Directs beforehand don't know what's in this presentation.

-VR Plant's analysis seems to be correct: the video is very heavily encrypted and Sakurai likely managed the creation of the video himself within the past couple of weeks.

What does this all mean? Whatever is in the video, Sakurai is dead set on keeping it a secret and probably only execs are actually meant to know what's in it. Here's a shorthand list on when Sakurai has done this in the past:

-Brawl's reveal
-Wii Fit's reveal
-Greninja's reveal
-Pac-Man's post E3 2015 Direct reveal
-Robin's reveal
-Cloud's reveal
-K. Rool's reveal
-Joker's reveal

That said, we could be in for a bombshell tomorrow but possibly not. Brace yourselves accordingly. As always, I'm proud to be part of this fanbase and just wanted you all to know that pretty much everyone is going into tomorrow blind. We're all in this together. Just one more day.

 

[Sigran101]

Alright guys... So... It's time for me to be frank about some things. You all are my comrades so I figured I would be honest about tomorrow. The truth is... Nobody knows what's in the presentation. Apparently a lot of insiders knew it was going to happen but nobody knows what it will show. Here's some bullet points:

-Jon's otter posting was probably about this presentation.

-I don't know if the starling has anything to do with this presentation, something in the future or nothing at all.

-Even insiders who could practically quote Directs beforehand don't know what's in this presentation.

-VR Plant's analysis seems to be correct: the video is very heavily encrypted and Sakurai likely managed the creation of the video himself within the past couple of weeks.

What does this all mean? Whatever is in the video, Sakurai is dead set on keeping it a secret and probably only execs are actually meant to know what's in it. Here's a shorthand list on when Sakurai has done this in the past:

-Brawl's reveal
-Wii Fit's reveal
-Pac-Man's post E3 2015 Direct reveal
-Robin's reveal
-Cloud's reveal
-K. Rool's reveal
-Joker's reveal

That said, we could be in for a bombshell tomorrow but possibly not. Brace yourselves accordingly. As always, I'm proud to be part of this fanbase and just wanted you all to know that pretty much everyone is going into tomorrow blind. We're all in this together. Just one more day.

You know, you're probably the most effective person on the internet at getting me hyped for things that probably aren't going to happen. Thanks a lot.

 

[Deleted member]

Alright guys... So... It's time for me to be frank about some things. You all are my comrades so I figured I would be honest about tomorrow. The truth is... Nobody knows what's in the presentation. Apparently a lot of insiders knew it was going to happen but nobody knows what it will show. Here's some bullet points:

-Jon's otter posting was probably about this presentation.

-I don't know if the starling has anything to do with this presentation, something in the future or nothing at all.

-Even insiders who could practically quote Directs beforehand don't know what's in this presentation.

-VR Plant's analysis seems to be correct: the video is very heavily encrypted and Sakurai likely managed the creation of the video himself within the past couple of weeks.

What does this all mean? Whatever is in the video, Sakurai is dead set on keeping it a secret and probably only execs are actually meant to know what's in it. Here's a shorthand list on when Sakurai has done this in the past:

-Brawl's reveal
-Wii Fit's reveal
-Pac-Man's post E3 2015 Direct reveal
-Robin's reveal
-Cloud's reveal
-K. Rool's reveal
-Joker's reveal

That said, we could be in for a bombshell tomorrow but possibly not. Brace yourselves accordingly. As always, I'm proud to be part of this fanbase and just wanted you all to know that pretty much everyone is going into tomorrow blind. We're all in this together. Just one more day.

My hopes are just on seeing War Cry and a Yangus Mii costume revealed tomorrow.

But good lord, I would be happy if tomorrow was at last the moment many people here have been waiting for.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

Alright guys... So... It's time for me to be frank about some things. You all are my comrades so I figured I would be honest about tomorrow. The truth is... Nobody knows what's in the presentation. Apparently a lot of insiders knew it was going to happen but nobody knows what it will show. Here's some bullet points:

-Jon's otter posting was probably about this presentation.

-I don't know if the starling has anything to do with this presentation, something in the future or nothing at all.

-Even insiders who could practically quote Directs beforehand don't know what's in this presentation.

-VR Plant's analysis seems to be correct: the video is very heavily encrypted and Sakurai likely managed the creation of the video himself within the past couple of weeks.

What does this all mean? Whatever is in the video, Sakurai is dead set on keeping it a secret and probably only execs are actually meant to know what's in it. Here's a shorthand list on when Sakurai has done this in the past:

-Brawl's reveal
-Wii Fit's reveal
-Pac-Man's post E3 2015 Direct reveal
-Robin's reveal
-Cloud's reveal
-K. Rool's reveal
-Joker's reveal

That said, we could be in for a bombshell tomorrow but possibly not. Brace yourselves accordingly. As always, I'm proud to be part of this fanbase and just wanted you all to know that pretty much everyone is going into tomorrow blind. We're all in this together. Just one more day.

It’s kind of nice not knowing what the hell is going to happen for once. Makes me feel more justified in having hope.

With the hero/banjo leaks, I think there is certainly a reason that Sakurai himself took charge of making and protecting this video. The best way to safeguard against future leaks is to announce things as soon as possible and get ahead of them