Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[Nemuresu]

I don't count on EVO for anything Smash-related. Even the Robin trailer wasn't in any way related to the tournament.

That place is only good for other FG-related stuff, since Capcom, Arc Sys and others definitely use it for announcements.

 

[cheeseseatbelt]

Gonna call it now, depending on how this video is handled, there is gonna be a spike in memes about Sakurai making tutorial video's.

The livestream opens with a screen recording of notepad on windows xp. Sakurai starts typing "how to unlock hero in smash bros" with let the bodies hit the floor blaring in the background

 

[EarlTamm]

When it comes to EVO, I would hope that Nintendo uses it's gained position to do something big, considering they may never get a chance like this again.

 

[CannonStreak]

When it comes to EVO, I would hope that Nintendo uses it's gained position to do something big, considering they may never get a chance like this again.

Yeah, I think that could be the case. Given how there were barely, if any fighter reveals at EVO in the past, though, I wouldn’t count on it.

Look at the second quoted post by me. That shows how much I agree with you.

 

[AugustusB]

So with this Hero presentation coming on Tuesday, would the Starling pic coincide with this?

The fact that this video was heavily encrypted, seemily wanting to keep this one secret, HOW would our guy in the know have knowledge of this? I guess word got around to what Sakurai was going to talk about? Thus the pic?

Though of course, it could be for something completely unrelated to this.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Welp, 2 more days until dreams get crushed. There's no way they're announcing a bonus fighter with the Hero.

As Han Solo said: "Never tell me the odds!"

 

[ForsakenM]

Actually, more what I'm understanding is they had to make the models from scratch because the data couldn't be transferred over.

This doesn't mean they would look any different. It means the data was invalid. I'm not saying they couldn't have lied, but I'm aware of the issues of reusing old stuff. You can't reformat it all the time. Making it from scratch does happen. Truthfully, I'm taking their word for it that they simply had to redo the models. With that in mind, them not really making them much better could be due to a lack of time in itself. I will note that re-texturing the amount of models they need to do, even if they could reuse the models, is still a massive workload. It's not as easy as people make it sound like. Multiple game developers can vouch for how easy it is(that is, not at all).

I do agree that they should've made 'em look way better, though. Mind you, the final release isn't out. Another thing is that for the Wingull complaints, it actually moves like a real seagull and looks... accurate. Seagulls just are pretty boring in movements, that's all.

The games are going to be disappointing for many. Can't deny that. I do take issues with these accusations of laziness and incompetence, though. That's vastly unfair and harsh. They're still working very hard. Now, I do agree it sucks that Gamefreak and The Pokemon Company should not be making it so hard to work together and should spread out their releases for stuff far more. So that is a bad thing on their part.

Last thing to say is their transfer methods were pretty dumb, forcing you to pay money for Pokemon Bank(or similar substitutes in earlier generations). Mind you, at least it made sense for Stadium since it cannot be a downloaded game. But once the 3DS rolled around, Bank should've stayed free.

That should cover everything. I prefer to take companies at their word as long as they're honest(so far they have been). I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. I'm a game developer myself and I've had immense trouble working on stuff, so I can feel what it means that it's not easy at all. It's also why I find the accusations of lazy and incompetence vastly unfair and uncalled for. There's no reason for that.

But they haven't been honest to you. The excuses they gave for cutting Pokemon where to make better animations and balance the game better. Thus they make a broken battle gimmick that is combining previous battle gimmicks and the animations almost all-around are reused or disappointing...or both.

Like I mentioned before, they are easily portable. Multiple people have proven so in videos. Just because GameFreak can't do it doesn't mean it can't be done.

You need to stop blindly trusting companies. The entertainment industry as a whole has been off the ball and full of themselves for the past few years. GameFreak is no exception.

Sorry for bringing Pokemon back up but I left this mostly finished so I figured I would post it.
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As for VRPlant and this Sakurai bit with Hero, this seems like it will be fun. I hope that it is extremely casual, like Sakurai is just hanging out with us or something. Part of me wants the vid to open up with Sakurai taking a swig of saki and then he sees us and is all like "Oh, hello there! I didn't expect to see you so soon!" and it's just him in his house hanging out.

I still think we could get something for EVO but with the idea that Sony has a big announcement I'm thinking Sony make take the spot that Nintendo would normally have.

 

[EarlTamm]

Look at the second quoted post by me. That shows how much I agree with you.

You could just be strait to the point about it and say why. Smash taking last spot at EVO is a pretty big deal.

 

[UberMadman]

I could see them using EVO as a springboard to announce a solo character trailer livestream, (think like last years’s Direct announcement but for a Robin-style reveal), but I don’t think that they’re going to announce the character directly at EVO, and I don’t think we’re getting a Smash Direct if the Hero update is getting its own video.

 

[CannonStreak]

You could just be strait to the point about it and say why. Smash taking last spot at EVO is a pretty big deal.

Oops! Looks like I quoted the wrong post there. Let's try that again.

I don't count on EVO for anything Smash-related. Even the Robin trailer wasn't in any way related to the tournament.

Yeah, I think that could be the case. Given how there were barely, if any fighter reveals at EVO in the past, though, I wouldn’t count on it.

Look at the second quoted post that is mine. It shows how much I agree.

 

[MomijiInubashiri630]

I think we are getting something big in this stream. There is really no reason for this to exist, it could've simply been like Joker's video again, but for SOME reason it's a stream. Idc what people say, something is going to happen, probably at the end, something huge like a character reveal. Call it a stretch but this is just really fishy to just be "Sakurai has fun and has people translate him having fun for all the world to see on stream"

 

[CannonStreak]

Not saying it will happen in the stream, but if there was a new character reveal in the stream on Tuesday, which there probably won't be, how would you all react?

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Hey, considering how Sakurai has personally acknowledged Geno's requests for so long and how this is a Square Enix stream essentially, it would make sense if Sakurai personally announced Geno since he's kind of apologized a few times for not getting him in. This could (potentially) have him "personally" give us Geno....or break the news to us...

My hopes aren't high though.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Honestly think that if we were getting a bonus fighter, it wouldnt happen until after the pass is done. Keep expectations level guys

 

[EarlTamm]

I think we are getting something big in this stream. There is really no reason for this to exist, it could've simply been like Joker's video again, but for SOME reason it's a stream. Idc what people say, something is going to happen, probably at the end, something huge like a character reveal. Call it a stretch but this is just really fishy to just be "Sakurai has fun and has people translate him having fun for all the world to see on stream"

I don't see how being a video or a stream effects things. Really, put very simply, a stream is just a live first showing of a video.

 

[CannonStreak]

Honestly think that if we were getting a bonus fighter, it wouldnt happen until after the pass is done. Keep expectations level guys

My expectations are in check, sir! And I'll be keeping them in check, sir!

Yes, they are in check.

 

[MomijiInubashiri630]

I don't see how being a video or a stream effects things. Really, put very simply, a stream is just a live first showing of a video.

Yes, but a reveal is way more impactful when it's streamed. Watching a reveal like Banjo's on stream rather than watching it of a video that just is out there is way more powerful and surprising. That's why I think a stream could mean something

 

[AugustusB]

Yes, but a reveal is way more impactful when it's streamed. Watching a reveal like Banjo's on stream rather than watching it of a video that just is out there is way more powerful and surprising. That's why I think a stream could mean something

Could you imagine a fighter drop and Sakurai is there with you. Watching the stream of people going "WHAT?! OHHH S***!! NO!! I love you Daddy Sakurai." It's going to happen lol

 

[EarlTamm]

Yes, but a reveal is way more impactful when it's streamed. Watching a reveal like Banjo's on stream rather than watching it of a video that just is out there is way more powerful and surprising. That's why I think a stream could mean something

Fair enough. But I find it odd that they would have a reveal, something that takes a ton of planning and work, in a presentation where it's mostly scriptless Sakurai showcasing an upcoming character. Wouldn't that kinda overshadow the whole point of the stream?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

But they haven't been honest to you. The excuses they gave for cutting Pokemon where to make better animations and balance the game better. Thus they make a broken battle gimmick that is combining previous battle gimmicks and the animations almost all-around are reused or disappointing...or both.

Like I mentioned before, they are easily portable. Multiple people have proven so in videos. Just because GameFreak can't do it doesn't mean it can't be done.

You need to stop blindly trusting companies. The entertainment industry as a whole has been off the ball and full of themselves for the past few years. GameFreak is no exception.

Sorry for bringing Pokemon back up but I left this mostly finished so I figured I would post it.

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Have you seen all the animations? Do you think animations being slightly better is somehow a lie? And there's the problem. You're looking at it in the worst possible light instead of the full picture. The animations are better. They're just not as much better as people want. Making one broken gimmick doesn't mean they weren't trying to balance the game better too. It does not correlate. We don't know how the gimmick will play out in competitive play. That's not a claim that can be made.

They didn't just say "porting them over was hard", they said that they couldn't fully make them work on the Switch. That means a snag was hit while trying to port them over. It could be that the textures were invalid for a ported over mess and they had to redo the models entirely to make the textures cooperate. They might've had to make all new textures too. We lack any real context to make the claim right now. In addition to that, when recreating models for a game, it's not unusual for a developer to remake the same model, but with the only difference being it compatible for the console/kit in question. There's also little context to these tweets. I shouldn't need to go offsite to give a quick explanation. I also have zero time to read any of these links. I'm very busy with other stuff that is vastly more important than the latest complaints about Pokemon. So I'll ask this then; do they have a development kit for a Switch game when porting these models over? That's the key context I need before I can say if I still believe GF is lying.

Oh, and it's not blind faith whatsoever. I'm a game developer myself. I take companies quite seriously because I get where they're coming from. I'm not just a player alone. I have insight on the hard workings too. An example of where snags can happen is that Diamond and Pearl were very difficult for them to program. Not just because of models needed, but because it was an all-new system. This is the reason the game is so slow. They're new to using the system. Gamefreak has never at any point but a severe amount of Pokemon in one game filled with tons of locations, NPC's, items, and over 1000 models. Is it any surprise they are having trouble in make SwSh? Let's saying they were lying partially about the models(in that they were able to be transferred over). This won't change the immense workload they need to do to input over 2000 textures on, make sure all of them properly work within the all-new game engine, make sure there is no immense lag in locations full of tons of stuff, and still make the animations work)which the animations work pretty well. And better than the previous game. Again, not as good as people expected. But they expected too much over an all new and massive game, even with quite a few missing Pokemon). Remember, NPC's are full models and textures too. There's just that damn much to input into one game with a harsh time limit. National Dex wasn't even feasible even if they could transfer over models. Not without taking ages to do after the game was released.

That's how big of a deal the workload is. We're lucky we got everyone back in S/M/US/UM.

 

[wynn728]

As Han Solo said: "Never tell me the odds!"

You're just setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I expect Cosplay Geno.

Mr. Sakurai, however, will give me the real Geno and Mallow, freed from Square's shackles.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

I think we are getting something big in this stream. There is really no reason for this to exist, it could've simply been like Joker's video again, but for SOME reason it's a stream. Idc what people say, something is going to happen, probably at the end, something huge like a character reveal. Call it a stretch but this is just really fishy to just be "Sakurai has fun and has people translate him having fun for all the world to see on stream"

I mean, they needed to talk about Hero in some extended capacity at some point and Dragon Quest is a big series for Japan. I'd imagine that Sakurai has thought of different ways to demonstrate content to the fan base and this has ended up as some sort of test trial or something. I feel like the fact it's more of a sit-down with Sakurai actually works negatively towards any big announcements. It's very far removed from their typical venue for big announcements and it's going to be off to transition towards more traditional trailers and such if I understand how this stream is being conducted.

I mean, there's nothing here that shows me this isn't just Sakurai having some fun with the format of divulging information so far.

 

[Giga Kaiju]

Welp. It is nice to see that we got a date of Hero sheananigans.

I really doubt that we are going to see Geno if you want me to be honest but at the most as a returning costume.

Only thing we MAY see and it is a big IF is that there's a comment or foreboding sequence of Geno's silhouette or a reference like with Mewtwo in Sm4sh but more subtle. That's it.

Anyway, that's my thoughts on the matter. At the very least there's a date for when we will know something (in two days) which is way sooner than expected, IMO.

Nothing much to say than to keep your hype in check and be expectant of anything. Good or bad.

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[AugustusB]

So Sakurai not using a script seems pretty awesome. Yet, why is there a time limit? I feel if this was just a super casual thing, why the time limit? They could have just said 'Join Sakurai for details on Hero' and then have Sakurai GIVE a time limit as an opening.
'Hello everyone, thank you for joining me today. I will only be able to steam for 30 minutes, but that should give us enough time to show you the Heros in action!'

Of course, yes, he has business to do so there has to be a limit. Regardless of that fact, expect something more than JUST Hero. Not saying Geno or any other fighter, but something other than Sakurai going over the potential 16 special moves.

 

[Icewolff92]

I think we are getting something big in this stream. There is really no reason for this to exist, it could've simply been like Joker's video again, but for SOME reason it's a stream. Idc what people say, something is going to happen, probably at the end, something huge like a character reveal. Call it a stretch but this is just really fishy to just be "Sakurai has fun and has people translate him having fun for all the world to see on stream"

I mean.. its not in the realm of impossibility that he announce that Banjo & Kazooie comes earlier then expected because they have been more productive or something. ifts not a character reveal... Right? Right?? (its a stretch I know... but that would at least be something)

So Sakurai not using a script seems pretty awesome. Yet, why is there a time limit? I feel if this was just a super casual thing, why the time limit? They could have just said 'Join Sakurai for details on Hero' and then have Sakurai GIVE a time limit as an opening.
'Hello everyone, thank you for joining me today. I will only be able to steam for 30 minutes, but that should give us enough time to show you the Heros in action!'

Of course, yes, he has business to do so there has to be a limit. Regardless of that fact, expect something more than JUST Hero. Not saying Geno or any other fighter, but something other than Sakurai going over the potential 16 special moves.

Like EarlTamm said earlier. Probably just be a cause of, them pre-recording and them using his best take.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

You're just setting yourself up for disappointment.

It was a joke. I don't have my hopes high. I guess I should have used this to emphasize the joke part.

 

[SSGuy]

Geno Jammies incoming boys and girls!

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

I felt really sick a few days before Banjo's reveal due to slightly built up hype. I hope this feeling means something for Tuesday..

 

[Icewolff92]

So we finally have time and date now huh... "Please be good news please be good news"

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Another thing I forgot to mention when talking Pokemon earlier is this: Pokemon is the only game series that has made a consistent point of retaining content to the degree it has across literally every entry and is also pretty much the only series that has allowed you to essentially keep moving over large chunks of old save data from RSE 17 years ago. We literally have no comparisons to see how complicated or difficult any of that work is because Game Freak are the only ones that have worked with so much in that capacity. Smash might come close, but we've seen how much of a toll Everyone is Here took on newcomers and modes even with the already massive and HD Smash for Wii U to work off of.

 

[ColtonS25]

Hoo boy, can’t wait for Sakurai to show up with a potted plant in the background wearing Geno’s cape. Chair theory who?

Anyways, I get that Hero seems to be a pretty complex fighter, so I see why Sakurai would want to take time to go in depth with them. But it does make me wonder why it’s a live-streamed event when Joker’s trailer just kind of dropped out of nowhere. Feels much more formal (even though it’s not supposed to be scripted).

So are we thinking that the Starling picture will relate to the contents of the video or not? Honestly I’m not sure at all. It makes sense within the timeframe, but I’m not sure if I should expect anything extra. Time will tell, I suppose. At least it’s not far now.

 

[Icewolff92]

Unless I¨ve understood Fatmanonice wrong, if there is nothing revealed that could be connected to the Starling picture before Evo ends, Geno or not, then its a question of why more then what due to the normal timeframe.

 

[MattX20]

Welp, this is it. The wait is coming to an end on Tuesday.

 

[AugustusB]

Unless I¨ve understood Fatmanonice wrong, if there is nothing revealed that could be connected to the Starling picture before Evo ends, Geno or not, then its a question of why more then what due to the normal timeframe.

If nothing is announced during Hero's presentation, then something is up. I doubt we will be getting a Direct now because of this video coming Tuesday.

Technically, it is a presentation of sorts, so NoA guy had to have heard about somehow.

Now it's really weird gang.

 

[Icewolff92]

If nothing is announced during Hero's presentation, then something is up. I doubt we will be getting a Direct now because of this video coming Tuesday.

Technically, it is a presentation of sorts, so NoA guy had to have heard about somehow.

Now it's really weird gang.

Like I said... wouldn¨t it be outside of his usual timeframe if nothing starling related would arrive once EVO ends?

 

[cheeseseatbelt]

It was a joke. I don't have my hopes high. I guess I should have used this to emphasize the joke part.

Why is it that when people joke on smash boards, they use ? I'm somewhat new, sorry

 

[EarlTamm]

So, I want your guys opinion. It is of the utmost importance.

Spoiler: Question

How do you feeling about Sakurai's new haircut?

I like it.

Why is it that when people joke on smash boards, they use ? I'm somewhat new, sorry

Probably has something to do with his arm.

 

[osby]

So Sakurai not using a script seems pretty awesome. Yet, why is there a time limit? I feel if this was just a super casual thing, why the time limit? They could have just said 'Join Sakurai for details on Hero' and then have Sakurai GIVE a time limit as an opening.
'Hello everyone, thank you for joining me today. I will only be able to steam for 30 minutes, but that should give us enough time to show you the Heros in action!'

Of course, yes, he has business to do so there has to be a limit. Regardless of that fact, expect something more than JUST Hero. Not saying Geno or any other fighter, but something other than Sakurai going over the potential 16 special moves.

I agree, they'll also talk about DQ stage, music, Spirits and alt Heroes. That's without going into any extra modes.

I heavily doubt that another character being revealed before and 's release. Dragon Quest is huge in Japan, they don't need another newcomer to carry the stream.

 

[Glitch-EGamer]

Why is it that when people joke on smash boards, they use ? I'm somewhat new, sorry

Look buddy, I have no idea either. I saw someone else do it so I figured it was a common thing.