Geno (♥♪!?): Return of the Starsend Savior

[MattX20]

Hello everyone I need to interrupt the thread to let you all know the very important information that it is my 30th birthday and therefore it has been exactly 24 years since I first played Super Mario RPG and became aware of the awesomeness that is Geno.

You may now resume your regularly scheduled bird standing on a house image analysis/theory crafting have a great day

Happy Birthday

 

[UberMadman]

What I remember is that Gamefreak was outright unable to use the models they were hoping were futureproof and had to do everything from scratch. That requires a ton of hard work and I'm glad they're doing so much already alone.

This is the sole post I’m going to post on the topic of the Pokémon discussion, but this is not correct. It’s already been proven that the Sword and Shield models have the same polygon count for every Pokémon observed so far; all that got updated was textures and some new animations.

Spoiler: Twitter post comparing the models

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[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Actually, more what I'm understanding is they had to make the models from scratch because the data couldn't be transferred over.

This doesn't mean they would look any different. It means the data was invalid. I'm not saying they couldn't have lied, but I'm aware of the issues of reusing old stuff. You can't reformat it all the time. Making it from scratch does happen. Truthfully, I'm taking their word for it that they simply had to redo the models. With that in mind, them not really making them much better could be due to a lack of time in itself. I will note that re-texturing the amount of models they need to do, even if they could reuse the models, is still a massive workload. It's not as easy as people make it sound like. Multiple game developers can vouch for how easy it is(that is, not at all).

I do agree that they should've made 'em look way better, though. Mind you, the final release isn't out. Another thing is that for the Wingull complaints, it actually moves like a real seagull and looks... accurate. Seagulls just are pretty boring in movements, that's all.

The games are going to be disappointing for many. Can't deny that. I do take issues with these accusations of laziness and incompetence, though. That's vastly unfair and harsh. They're still working very hard. Now, I do agree it sucks that Gamefreak and The Pokemon Company should not be making it so hard to work together and should spread out their releases for stuff far more. So that is a bad thing on their part.

Last thing to say is their transfer methods were pretty dumb, forcing you to pay money for Pokemon Bank(or similar substitutes in earlier generations). Mind you, at least it made sense for Stadium since it cannot be a downloaded game. But once the 3DS rolled around, Bank should've stayed free.

That should cover everything. I prefer to take companies at their word as long as they're honest(so far they have been). I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. I'm a game developer myself and I've had immense trouble working on stuff, so I can feel what it means that it's not easy at all. It's also why I find the accusations of lazy and incompetence vastly unfair and uncalled for. There's no reason for that.

 

[xpnc]

Join Super #SmashBrosUltimate Director Masahiro Sakurai on 7/30 at 6am PT in a video presentation featuring an in-depth look at upcoming DLC Fighter, Hero from the #DragonQuest series! Alongside new details, he’ll be revealing when the fighter will arrive. Be sure to tune in! pic.twitter.com/BSbGmqXo9Y

— Nintendo Versus (@NintendoVS) July 29, 2019

We got our date

 

[Ovaltine]

Well, this is happening, so it's sorta kinda a Smash direct, but... not.

Ugh. The 30th, man... and look at how much time they're spending on the Hero. He's getting some real red carpet treatment. I wish Geno got even a slice of that pie, and I just can't help but be envious.

EDIT: Ninja'd, removing the embed to help with page slow down.

 

[Deleted member]

Join Super #SmashBrosUltimate Director Masahiro Sakurai on 7/30 at 6am PT in a video presentation featuring an in-depth look at upcoming DLC Fighter, Hero from the #DragonQuest series! Alongside new details, he’ll be revealing when the fighter will arrive. Be sure to tune in! pic.twitter.com/BSbGmqXo9Y

— Nintendo Versus (@NintendoVS) July 29, 2019

We got our date

Dang it you beat me to it

 

[GillyGrime]

I wanna vote with my wallet in regards to Pokemon content being cut, but also wanna play the game.

So, I'm gonna wait to buy a copy second hand. Also gives me time to see if the many concerns come to fruition in the final release.

Edit: Also, ****! We have a time confirmed! Odds on them showing off Square Mii costumes?

 

[xpnc]

Confirmed to include version 4.0.0 as well.

 

[Ovaltine]

All I'm saying is, I really hope the starling hint applies to this showcase and means something good for our boy that isn't that dreaded Mii costume...

Fatmanonice Anything out of the NoA source? Do you think the starling hint means anything here, or is it probably for some future thing?

 

[UberMadman]

Actually, more what I'm understanding is they had to make the models from scratch because the data couldn't be transferred over.

This doesn't mean they would look any different. It means the data was invalid. I'm not saying they couldn't have lied, but I'm aware of the issues of reusing old stuff. You can't reformat it all the time. Making it from scratch does happen. Truthfully, I'm taking their word for it that they simply had to redo the models. With that in mind, them not really making them much better could be due to a lack of time in itself. I will note that re-texturing the amount of models they need to do, even if they could reuse the models, is still a massive workload. It's not as easy as people make it sound like. Multiple game developers can vouch for how easy it is(that is, not at all).

No, I think you misunderstand: it’s not that the models look similar, it’s that every single one has the EXACT SAME polygon count. That literally would not happen if they attempted to recreate the models; they had to have used the old ones. Just the idea of recreating a single model polygon-for-polygon is already a ludicrous proposition unless it’s already ridiculously low-poly, as that’d be like trying to recreate a fingerprint or the amount of hairs someone had on their head, but consistently the same polygon counts in exactly the same places in ways in which they match up perfectly? Not possible; they literally have to be the ported models.

EDIT: And the time in which we will know Geno’s fate fast approaches! It’s been fun, guys, but we’re in the endgame now.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Well that at least signals definitely no new character at this event. They would have just called it a regular Nintendo Direct if that was the case, but they didn’t. Like I’ve been saying for a while, Direct seems more reserved for reveals and presentations are just additional information and details.

 

[wynn728]

Welp, 2 more days until dreams get crushed. There's no way they're announcing a bonus fighter with the Hero.

 

[Fatmanonice]

All I'm saying is, I really hope the starling hint applies to this showcase and means something good for our boy that isn't that dreaded Mii costume...

Fatmanonice Anything out of the NoA source? Do you think the starling hint means anything here, or is it probably for some future thing?

Nothing yet. It's odd that this is a demo so I'm kind of wondering if they'll even show Mii costumes in this...

 

[alemerltoucanet]

Yay!! Hero news coming!! I'm so excited, hopefully he'll come out soon after the presentation!

 

[xpnc]

Well that at: least signals definitely no new character at this event. They would have just called it a regular Nintendo Direct if that was the case, but they didn’t. Like I’ve been saying for a while, Direct seems more reserved for reveals and presentations are just additional information and details.

Roy, Lucas, and Ryu's is called "New Content Approaching" on Nintendo's YouTube, which is exactly what Joker's showcase was called. The Smash presentation that revealed Corrin and Bayonetta was simply called "Final Video Presentation". The 50-fact extravaganza wasn't called a Direct either.

The only consistency here is that there is no consistency. We've only ever had two Smash videos called "Smash Direct", for 8.8 and 11.1, respectively

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

Welp, 2 more days until dreams get crushed. There's no way they're announcing a bonus fighter with the Hero.

Okay see ya

 

[REZERO]

Welp, 2 more days until dreams get crushed. There's no way they're announcing a bonus fighter with the Hero.

I give it a good we don't know so can't judge.

 

[Bremy]

Roy, Lucas, and Ryu's is called "New Content Approaching" on Nintendo's YouTube, which is exactly what Joker's showcase was called. The Smash presentation that revealed Corrin and Bayonetta was simply called "Final Video Presentation". The 50-fact extravaganza wasn't called a Direct either.

The only consistency here is that there is no consistency. We've only ever had two Smash videos called "Smash Direct", for 8.8 and 11.1, respectively

Also Joker was announced at the VGA's.

 

[SpiritOfRuin]

Glad we are talking Smash again. I love Pokemon and have plenty to say about it but am honestly really tired of all the negativity even though I totally understand it and feel a lot of it myself. So what do y'all think Geno's chances are of getting in at this point? With the Hero coming how bad does that hurt his chances in your opinion?

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Roy, Lucas, and Ryu's is called "New Content Approaching" on Nintendo's YouTube, which is exactly what Joker's showcase was called. The Smash presentation that revealed Corrin and Bayonetta was simply called "Final Video Presentation". The 50-fact extravaganza wasn't called a Direct either.

The only consistency here is that there is no consistency. We've only ever had two Smash videos called "Smash Direct", for 8.8 and 11.1, respectively

In the context of Ultimate is what I was speaking to. Character reveals have been exclusively Directs with only the special TGAs unveiling of Joker being the exception.

A video presentation specifically labeled as for Hero and his breakdown? I don’t think we should expect anything beyond Hero and what his Update contains. There’s not even a remote tease of a surprise in the announcement either.

If people are thinking character reveal at all in the next few days, I think you’re best served moving hopes to EVO at the very least.

 

[YsDisciple]

IT'S TIME!!! Tuesday can't come any sooner!!!

 

[Ovaltine]

Glad we are talking Smash again. I love Pokemon and have plenty to say about it but am honestly really tired of all the negativity even though I totally understand it and feel a lot of it myself. So what do y'all think Geno's chances are of getting in at this point? With the Hero coming how bad does that hurt his chances in your opinion?

I'm not going to go into detail and bring the thread down, so I'll just say I believe his chances are very low and leave it at that. All bets are off if they plan more DLC in the future, though.

 

[Bremy]

is this a livestream or just a video like joker's?

 

[Deleted member]

The moment I’ve been waiting for is finally close.

The DQ8 will soon join Smash Bros alongside Samus after wanting him for more than 10 years.

 

[EarlTamm]

What interests me about this is how Sakurai seems to be taking a more prominent role in the video.

 

[Deleted member]

What interests me about this is how Sakurai seems to be taking a more prominent role in the video.

Yeah, it is honestly pretty odd based on past stuff regarding Smash.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

What interests me about this is how Sakurai seems to be taking a more prominent role in the video.

Yeah definitely strange for the whole Demo thing he’s going with this time around. He didn’t even voice Joker’s, but now he’s doing a straight up demo like something out of Treehouse... which is honestly really cool.

 

[Fatmanonice]

In the context of Ultimate is what I was speaking to. Character reveals have been exclusively Directs with only the special TGAs unveiling of Joker being the exception.

A video presentation specifically labeled as for Hero and his breakdown? I don’t think we should expect anything beyond Hero and what his Update contains. There’s not even a remote tease of a surprise in the announcement either.

If people are thinking character reveal at all in the next few days, I think you’re best served moving hopes to EVO at the very least.

This. The way this is being done feels a lot different. Based on the video info we have from VR Plant, there's evidence that Sakurai actually recorded this presentation himself fairly recently. I'm kind of wondering if there will even be any mode or Mii costume discussion here because it feels kind of... casual. It's odd.

 

[xpnc]

There’s not even a remote tease of a surprise in the announcement either.

Weren't you the same guy who swore up and down that we'd only get 1 character at E3 based on Sakurai using the singular to refer to what was being shown

 

[UberMadman]

So the thing that has me the most intrigued is the timestamp. In case you don’t remember Joker’s update video, that was 15 minutes long:

Spoiler: Joker video embed

That included his regular character trailer, his moveset explanation, and all the content that would be coming with him PLUS all the content that would be coming in the update. Meanwhile, we already have Hero’s character trailer, and yet this update video is seven whole minutes longer than the Joker video.

I’m not saying that another character trailer is going to be included; I highly doubt that. It’s also silly trying to gauge content from timestamps alone. Case in point, the 26-minute August Direct from last year announced 5 new characters coming to the game, whereas the 40-minute November Direct only announced 3. However, the game’s been out for a while, so I’m curious as to what’s causing that massive time disparity. Are we getting that many new modes in 4.0.0, or are our conspiracy theories true and we’re getting a surprise fourth character reveal? No idea.

 

[EarlTamm]

Yeah definitely strange for the whole Demo thing he’s going with this time around. He didn’t even voice Joker’s, but now he’s doing a straight up demo like something out of Treehouse... which is honestly really cool.

Oh, I love it. Sakurai getting to interact with us more like this is always great. I just wonder why they made this change. It's not like the method they used for Joker was all that bad.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

>July theory came true in the friggin' weekend
I have no regrets at being proven wrong by the universe again. Well played Sakurai.

Spoiler

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Weren't you the same guy who swore up and down that we'd only get 1 character at E3 based on Sakurai using the singular to refer to what was being shown

I made note of it, sure, as a possibility. It was what I was expecting at the time and went with that until people pointed out that the Japanese translation didn’t necessarily have to refer to just one. I was more open to the possibility when I was informed of that, but still leaned heavily towards one. I have no issue owning that or other statements, but there was at least an indication of new information relating to unannounced fighters... there’s nothing of the sort here, nor any indication for people to especially pay attention to this like Nintendo/Sakurai often teases with stuff like this if it will be there.

 

[Ovaltine]

Reminder that the final Smash Direct was 40 minutes long and a lot of it was filler guff.

If they want to make something long to catch peoples' eyes, they will, even if it means stretching it with needless stuff. I wouldn't expect much myself.

 

[xpnc]

I'm gonna say that I honestly cannot recall a single time where Sakurai showed up with nothing new to show, certainly not in a video over twenty minutes

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

I highly doubt they’re doing a 22 minute video and not showing anything outside of a Hero demo. The entire Smash Ultimate E3 reveal showing every single character and more wasn’t much longer than that.

We’re getting something in this video, it’s just a matter of what. Really hoping the Starling image was referring to this boys

 

[MissingGlitch]

I have a conspiracy theory. What if this hero guy is brave?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Oh, I love it. Sakurai getting to interact with us more like this is always great. I just wonder why they made this change. It's not like the method they used for Joker was all that bad.

Something something Sakuraibreakspatternsallthetime something something...

 

[EarlTamm]

So the thing that has me the most intrigued is the timestamp. In case you don’t remember Joker’s update video, that was 15 minutes long:

snip

That included his regular character trailer, his moveset explanation, and all the content that would be coming with him PLUS all the content that would be coming in the update. Meanwhile, we already have Hero’s character trailer, and yet this update video is seven whole minutes longer than the Joker video.

I’m not saying that another character trailer is going to be included; I highly doubt that. It’s also silly trying to gauge content from timestamps alone. Case in point, the 26-minute August Direct from last year announced 5 new characters coming to the game, whereas the 40-minute November Direct only announced 3. However, the game’s been out for a while, so I’m curious as to what’s causing that massive time disparity. Are we getting that many new modes in 4.0.0, or are our conspiracy theories true and we’re getting a surprise fourth character reveal? No idea.

I think the extra time is a result of two things. First, the Hero has so many move to c over due to his gimick. I do not doubt that the video will cover all of them. Second, with Sakurai taking the helm, I imagine the summary will be less to the point. Especially if it's all one continuous take.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Remember with time that Hero has a lot to discuss from a mechanic point of view and that Dragon Quest’s pedigree allows Sakurai to really go on for a while about that stuff. I don’t doubt there will be new information here, but I do doubt anything related to a fighter reveal. The time shouldn’t indicate anything because at best it’d be a tease/new trailer that would only add like 3 minutes tops to the presentation. Time is really not a good indicator of things for Sakurai.

This is giving me: “It’s 40 minutes, so seven characters makes sense” vibes from November