General ICs Q&A Thread

[lain]

bthrow -> dthrow is the sex

 

[DemonicTrilogy]

Do you do a dashing grab when following the forward throw after the down throw to Nana regrab?

 

[K 2]

No. I think dash grab actually screws it up. I like to just walk fast...plus you won't trip

 

[nasir123]

is anyone here going to the hamilton tournemnt ?

 

[smaci92]

is anyone here going to the hamilton tournemnt ?

not me =P...

 

[l!nk_aut]

for me bthrow 2 dthrow works best at most characters

 

[coconutcommander]

I know its harder to alternate throw bigger characters, but is it even possible to alternate the b-throw? i cant get it ever

 

[B0mbe1c]

Fthrow for bigger characters, and wait a little beforing grabing when youre Bthrowing.

 

[l!nk_aut]

i got my problems on the light weights lol ^^

 

[B0mbe1c]

I find lightweights easiest to Bhrow, while hardest to fthrow. O.o

 

[coconutcommander]

Totally agreed, i first practiced against mk haha best i find so far is b-throw > d-throw with a dashgrab. gets him to 100 easy then upsmash gone.

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

On the rare occasion I play Ice Climbers, sometimes when I use my Up + B...it doesn't work. Nana is right next to Popo and they both end up using it almost at the same time. They both do the Up + B animation...and then plummet to death

What's going on?

 

[Fly_Amanita]

Are they in a tumbling animation? If so, synched belay or squall hammer won't work. Just use an airdodge or aerial to get out of the tumbling animation and then up+B.

 

[smaci92]

Are they in a tumbling animation? If so, synched belay or squall hammer won't work. Just use an airdodge or aerial to get out of the tumbling animation and then up+B.

another jump will work too =P

 

[K 2]

What's a pivot desync, and how do I do it?

 

[smaci92]

What's a pivot desync, and how do I do it?

oh pivot desync is really easy...for example, if you are facing right: you just smash the control stick left, and then right, and then do blizzard or ice block or something. you should be desynced after that...

 

[ChibiIceClimberz]

Wait... that's the name? When Nana does a dash and Popo does a f-smash? Pivot desynch...?

Oookaaay...

/Ness

 

[smaci92]

Wait... that's the name? When Nana does a dash and Popo does a f-smash? Pivot desynch...?

Oookaaay...

/Ness

no you're thinking about the "dash/smash desync"...he's talking about the "pivot b desync"

 

[K 2]

wow...they need to make a book called 101 Ways to Desync by Smaci...lol

 

[smaci92]

wow...they need to make a book called 101 Ways to Desync by Smaci...lol

lol I'm making a video of a lot of ways of desyncing

 

[LegionBrawler]

What is the most effective infinite thats easiest for most people and how do I do it? I'm a visual learner so if theres a video that would help

 

[lain]

Watch my vids.

 

[B0mbe1c]

Alot of people prefer Bthrow to Dthrow and repeat(killing with a smash), some like Fthrow chains to Nana meteor, and Others like all Bthrows to a smash to KO.

 

[smaci92]

I like bthrow to fthrow. or bthrow to bthrow.

 

[FrozenHobo]

you guys ever get flack about spamming? thats all i hear from the people i play online...

 

[momochuu]

you guys ever get flack about spamming? thats all i hear from the people i play online...

Yeah, it's pretty lame. I did one 0-Death against this guy and he said I spammed. I didn't even run around shield grabbing, he ran right into my grab. Oh well. They're just johns because the people that call it spam don't know how to fight the ICs.

 

[JustNoOne]

*CG person 0 to stage spike
*Opponent gets angry
Opponent: **** you!
Me: Lol

People complain about CGs, I just laugh at it and walk away usually...

 

[FrozenHobo]

well i don't cg.... i'm not entirely sure what i'm spamming...... blizzards? they never really tell me, its just 'spam-climbers' and whatnot...

 

[K 2]

I wish people would stop complaining about the IC's CG. It's really hard to do and easy to screw up even for those who mastered it. All they have to do is stay out of the IC's grab range, which is really pitiful.

I did 78% with bthrow -> dthrow on a MK in training mode today! w00t!

 

[B0mbe1c]

I grab my opponents alot, but rarely keep it up to a get smash kill. Ive only 0-deathed maybe 5 times max online, but sometimes I do a few alt throws to a death, so thats really why they say I suck. :C

 

[Midnaftw]

I've checked everywhere, but I'm still quite confused as to how you move the other IC while grabbing without throwing them.

 

[Jim Morrison]

I've checked everywhere, but I'm still quite confused as to how you move the other IC while grabbing without throwing them.

Tilt your stick very slightly, then throw it as if you're gonna walk.

 

[B0mbe1c]

Everytime I try to, I still throw them.

 

[K 2]

You have to be really careful when your tilting them. You barely want to move it at all.

 

[ignore the fire]

Everytime I try to, I still throw them.

try harder
you can actually infinite release grab people and rack up damage by grab attacking them (which takes FOREVER).
next time someone complains about CGing, just do this and they'll probably ask you to go back to CGing them

I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION:
When is using squall a good idea (besides recovery)? I mainly use it offensively to approach from a diagonal angle (not in front or directly above). Squall's priority seems lacking, tho. I probably use blizzard when I could use squall (because blizzard is what gives the ICs any chance at life). I usually get hit out of squall. I'm not predictable because I barely use it, and I'm pretty aware of my spacing. So why isn't it working?

Basically, in what situations would using squall be more beneficial than blizzard?


Please note, I'm referring to synched squalls. I hate desynched squalls; it's like asking to be separated. Feel free to give me advice on this move too.

 

[B0mbe1c]

I probably abuse Squall to the maximum. .-.
I use it to get closer to the enemy, and it gives decent damage, while also popping the enemy up in the air, which can lead to aerials.

 

[K 2]

you can actually infinite release grab people and rack up damage by grab attacking them (which takes FOREVER).
next time someone complains about CGing, just do this and they'll probably ask you to go back to CGing them

Does that work? I heard people can Jump break or DI the grab release to escape it.

Also, is it possible to DI out of a squall? I did the dthrow into fair CG today and ended with a squall. I got 70% or so out of it in a matter of seconds. This was on training mode, so my opponent didn't DI or anything, but I'm curious if you can escape most of the damage from the squall (like DI'ing from a mach tornado)

 

[B0mbe1c]

Which would you consider cheaper/broken...er?

Alternating Throws
Wobbling

 

[K 2]

Idk, both are guaranteed 0-death's if performed correctly.

 

[B0mbe1c]

I say wobbling because its literally ONE grab and there goes a stock. Also, theres no chance of breaking out, and when you are out, youre flying to death. And, all you need is timing on alternating hitting A, so yeah.