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General Final Fantasy Discussion - Final Fantasy XII remake incoming!

finalark

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Haven't played the one with Seymour in it, too bad :(. Cloud's got competition haha.
This guy.

It might not look that bad in the artwork, but when you see him in game, well... yeah.

I'm gonna go by my theory of Square-Enix releasing genuine remakes as they have been. First Final Fantasy I and II on the PSP, Final Fantasy III & IV on the DS, and now we're just waiting on the rest. They'll probably go in chronological order, so V and/or VI are next for the likes of the PSP/PSP2/3DS. And then once we hit VII and onward, next-gen consoles or whatever happens to be out at the time. Long time in the making, but it's possible. Wouldn't doubt it if I was right if they were going in order.
I wish that were the case, but I highly doubt it. I think it's closer to Square just whoring FFI, II and IV again and again (seriously, those three have received a stupid amount of remakes). I find it strange that they haven't remade VI more, I know it isn't particularly popular with the Japanese but it has a huge fanbase in North America.

I'm still content with the normal games. VIII and IX, I feel, don't need the remake as much as VII does on the shallow perspective of graphics though, imo. When VII was released Sony and Squaresoft were just beginning to discover the capabilities of the graphics. It's what it seemed like when we got the classic blocky lego appearances and then suddenly, VIII and the music got a massive face and sound lift.
I still think the PlayStation cycle is in need of some remakes. VII's script could use some serious revisions given the amount of mistranslated or awkwardly translated dialog in addition to numerous grammar errors. Plus it would be nice to see VII's story with the art style of the later games rather than the lego people.

As for the other games, VIII and IX are kind of ugly these days and IX really needs some improvements to it's honestly slow battle system and needs trance to be reworked.

Future-wise, I'm hoping that the next VII game we do get is the last one. Be all to end all with the cliffhanger Dirge of Cerberus left us with. That, and making the Buster Sword the ultimate weapon of the last title for Cloud. Like, he goes to the Church, takes it from the pedestal he left it in at the end of Advent Children Complete, and it's an end-game last weapon kinda thing that's a nice throwback. Oh, and to pay tribute to Zack and Crisis Core, once you get it, the music that plays in the church will switch to 'The Burdened'

I think it would be nice to see a final game that wraps up the entirety of the FFVII saga, but I seriously don't remember **** from DoC. All I can remember was Gackt at the end of the game, turning into a weird thing (also at the end), the cyberpunk loli, the doctor lady missing one eye and Cid being awesome.
 

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@ finalark - Giglamesh looks kinda cool, lol.

@ crismas I could see it getting removed in NA, a lot of games, and TV shows take things out like that which sucks :(.
 

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Actually that and all the translation errors being replaced with CORRECT grammar =[
And how is this a bad thing?

I can understand retaining some lines like the infamous "this guy are sick" but it would be a lot more helpful for first time players if they translated the warning on the first boss correctly.

And yeah, if they remake the game with voice acting they're seriously gonna have to rework Cid and Barret's dialog.

EDIT: I could see them keeping the drag scene in. Most of us found it hilarious and I'm sure in the world of modern gaming where JPRGs don't get that much attention it wouldn't be a problem.
 

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Haha, Cloud for best crossdresser in Final Fantasy?

I also find it weird how you keep the perfume, the wig, and the dress as Key Items even after the event...
He's just a sweet transvestite from transsexual Transylvania Nibelheim.

The PSX version of VII has a TON of translation errors/typos, etc. I originally played it on the PC, which seems to be a lot better in that regard
 

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Nope. I know because I got FFVII from PSN and that guy still are sick.
 

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In Sephiroth's hands.
Emerald and Ruby were pretty easy after knowing what broken strategies you can use. XD
I've never used that strategy that Sephiroths Masamune mentioned though. How effective is it?
It's takes like a half hour to beat him since your not doing that much to him. But the point of it is that since your throwing items and not attacking it you won't be countered by any of the lasers or the main body. Thus making it possible for you to beat it with super low level characters.

Edit: Not to burst anyone's bubble, but I can remember reading somewhere that remaking FFVII to be like FFXIII would take 4 times longer than it took to make FFXIII. It's because FFXIII was very linear, and well, FFVII isn't. To remake a world you could roam around in and look "that" good would be pretty hard for the graphic designers. FFVII will probably never be remade unless they sacrifice one thing or another.
 

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@ - Sephiroths Masamune - I remember reading that as well, soemwhere...So it should be released in about 5 years, on a PS4, lol. One can hope xD.
 

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Edit: Not to burst anyone's bubble, but I can remember reading somewhere that remaking FFVII to be like FFXIII would take 4 times longer than it took to make FFXIII. It's because FFXIII was very linear, and well, FFVII isn't. To remake a world you could roam around in and look "that" good would be pretty hard for the graphic designers. FFVII will probably never be remade unless they sacrifice one thing or another.
That would be for a PS3 version. Frankly, I would gladly see the PS1 games remade for handhelds instead.
 

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Square-Enix is blowing it out their ***. lol

Massive graphical facelift as well as making the world map still mini in size. It'd be like how the new generations of the Tales games have their world maps. We're not asking for Cloud and the party to travel across the world like Lightning and the others did on Gran Pulse.

I can see where they're coming from with the grand scale of the game though.
 

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Why don't they just cut their development time in half by using the Unreal 3 engine?

lololool
 

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Massive graphical facelift as well as making the world map still mini in size. It'd be like how the new generations of the Tales games have their world maps. We're not asking for Cloud and the party to travel across the world like Lightning and the others did on Gran Pulse.
Pretty much. I would be okay with them keeping the locked camera and pre-rendered backgrounds and all of that fun stuff. All I'm really asking for is PS2 level graphics, cleaned up/revised backgrounds, cinematics with voice acting and some new content.

Do that for all PS1 FFs and I would be a very happy fanboy.
 

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All I'm really asking for is PS2 level graphics, cleaned up/revised backgrounds, cinematics with voice acting and some new content.
New content.. that must mean more minigames! FF7 card game ftl

Also, I am sooouper skeptical that there is some sort of graphics limitation for remaking the games. Worst case scenario you have 4 DVDs/whatever disc they use now to store everything. Development time is another issue, but I don't think that'd stop them.
 

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New content.. that must mean more minigames! FF7 card game ftl


But aditional content I mean new optional dungeons, bosses, ect.

Also, I am sooouper skeptical that there is some sort of graphics limitation for remaking the games. Worst case scenario you have 4 DVDs/whatever disc they use now to store everything. Development time is another issue, but I don't think that'd stop them.
Depends on the console. If developed for the 3DS or PSP2 I'm sure space wouldn't be too much of an issue. If they tried to cram it all onto the 360's DVDs then you can expect multiple disks (admittedly playing XIII on a 360 kind of brought me back to the PS1 days with the multiple disks). However, the PS3's Blu Ray disks should be enough to store the entirety of the game.

Personally, I would rather remakes of the PS1 games were on a handheld.
 

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I just imagined FF7 remade in a similar style to FFX/FFXIII. No world map, just massive, connected zones. Having a World Map is basically saying, "we have a budget," whereas having jam-packed regions proves a mass amount of work put into the game. If they remake FF7, it needs to be reworked in practically every single way. It won't be a graphically enhanced version of FF7, it'll be FF7 if it were made by today's standards.
 

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I can't take it anymore. Do I buy Dissidia 012 on the PSN? I have it pre-ordered at EB Games but potentially, due to the tsunamis and everything going on (supposedly it's translated in Japan, the NA versions and whatnot) in Japan, that's why our orders of games for Dissidia 012 have not come in yet.

I'd be spending an extra $30 to eat up space on my memory card that could be better used for Data Installments (and I can't just refund my pre-order and take the KH!Cloud code because having the UMD itself would save space after deleting the game file itself from my PSN download), but I really want to play this game so badly...

Between our godawful weather and the tragedies that have been striking Japan overseas, I feel I'm just being impatient. EVERYONE else I know online has their copies.
 

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Ah. Apparently there was a shipping error in Canada that's caused the delay.

... what the **** is wrong with my Country. The weather, and now this. son of a *****.
 

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It's better than the original in every single way. Story Mode is actually compelling to a degree.

Also, it's a lot easier to level up and get stuff now.

And Kain is a beast.
 

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Ah. Apparently there was a shipping error in Canada that's caused the delay.

... what the **** is wrong with my Country. The weather, and now this. son of a *****.
You can either get free health care, good weather, or get your games on time. You can only choose one.
 

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Hey, some mildly interesting news for any of you with an iPhone/Ipod touch.

To celebrate the release of FFIII on the iOS Square is dropping the price of other Square games. Notable titles include:

FFI - $3.99
FFII (lulz) - $3.99
Secret of Mana - $3.99
Crystal Defenders - $3.99

Um, yeah. Those are pretty much the only noteworthy games. So if you ever wanted to play a old Square RPGs on an unresponsive touch screen rather than a D-pad and some buttons go download those.

Source with full list and more details: http://www.gamesradar.com/iphone/ip...ii/a-2011032514121757030/g-201010071388669064
 

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FF2 was more fun than FF1, but I don't like class systems :/ Leveling up spells was fun though.. like leveling up Cure using Poison, fufufu
 

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FF2 was more fun than FF1, but I don't like class systems :/ Leveling up spells was fun though.. like leveling up Cure using Poison, fufufu
Is it time for another FFII debate? Because I'm just gonna say that I played both games at around the same time at the same exact age.

I consider FFI to be a childhood classic and I consider FFII to be a broken, frustrating, un-fun pile of mediocrity.
 

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So that Dissidia 2.
Data install...

It's going to take a while. :(
But it's playing Terra's theme, so it's not all bad.
 

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So...ironically I'm considering getting a PSP. I accidentlybought Dissidia on PSN a few months ago, so I'd enjoy that, plus the PSP3000 core pack is only like 150.

It has such a wonderful library, and all the PSP games intrigue me. Here are some questions: (know this is more about psp, but sorry. You guys all play it D:)

- Can I play PSP games on big screen by hooking it up to PS3?
-Can I download games like FF7 and make it portable? And do the same as my first question with said games?

Iunno, I just know the FF library of this system really makes me want to do this. Just wish it had trophies D:
 

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Yup. You can play your PSP games on the big screen. I didn't try using the PS3 yet, couldn't get it to work myself. But I did use composite cables to connect to a TV. That worked out just fine.

And Final Fantasy VII is playable on the PSP, yes. Just have enough space on your memory stick for the whole game and you can download it off the PSN. Plays quite nicely on the PSP if I say so myself. It's also playable on the PS3 as well, but you probably already knew that.

I'm 100%'ing Prologus and playing VII to pass the time until Dissidia 012 gets here. I'm set.
 

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Vaan is pretty fun to play, I really like switching weapons.

That made up for having to play as Lightning in the begining. :3
 

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Kain and Vaan are the most enjoyable new characters to play as. Lightning and Yuna are troublesome. Laguna is an oddball, definitely one of the strangest characters in the whole game. Haven't played with Tifa enough to yield an opinion, nor am I counting Prishe, Gilgamesh, and Feral Chaos because I've yet to unlock them.
 

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I don't get how people can get all of Aeris' limit breaks before the end of disc 1 in FF7. Aeris totally sucks and I've never gotten more than two levels of limit breaks with her. There's not really any point.
 
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