General Discussion

[Darkwing SykeDuk]

Crossing valleys endlessly in unity we staaaaahhaaaand

 

[Lachlan]

far and wide across the land the victory is ours
on towards the gates of reason
fight for the truth and the freedom glory is oursssssss

 

[Lachlan]

 

[TakFR]

 

[Karp-0S]

 

[tibs7]

waveshining consistently is far toooooo hard.
also what is best to do after a upthrow on falcon? with fox.

 

[Dekar289]

depends on percent
up smash, up air, nair...
chaingrab...
can usually hit something

 

[tibs7]

yeah i know, but like combo wise, shnair and continue with that yeah? oi deks meat at bryans on sat no joke more details later

 

[TakFR]

Tibs set up IRC dammit =P

 

[Dekar289]

yeh if he DIs go with a shnair into more nair or upsmash or whatever
if he doesn't, i'd either regrab or upsmash into some upairs/bair depending where you are on the stage

 

[Surgi]

<<<< Has the dvd of the making of ultra beatdown :D

Fox is a lame character, everyone play link because he is bettar!

 

[planetstereo]

^this.

Link = even with Marth
Marth > Fox
therefore:
Link>Fox
kthx.

Logic is irrefutable.......

 

[Karp-0S]

The 2 match ups I seem to struggle with most (being a doc player) is Marth and Peach. Marth more because of his reach and annoying ability to be able to essentially just destroy my pill rushes, and Peach mainly because I can't really follow anything up. End up coping nairs to the face.

Any advice ladies and gents?

 

[undead_moose]

Stop vsing me with doc

 

[tibs7]

yeah dont bother with doc vs marth. its kinda impossible.
but with peach your fair>everything she has you can juggle her sometimes with uair. but yeah space everything otherwise youll cop a nair to the face....dthrow ->fair to kill at bout 100.

 

[Dekar289]

doc marth is good fun
just pills alot, bait him a lot, roll inside him then grab or d-smash or whatever, you have to be very good with your spacing and unpredictable off the edge
dekar: doc expert rofl

 

[Karp-0S]

Stop vsing me with doc

That would require you to play me.

I require training sir. Train me. Please?

*edit: Cheers for the advice fellows. I aim to beat Syke :D

 

[Darkwing SykeDuk]

I aim to.. bat

 

[ComboTurtle]

^this.

Link = even with Marth
Marth > Fox
therefore:
Link>Fox
kthx.

Logic is irrefutable.......

i think its more like marth > link

fox >= marth

therefor link is bad ^.^

 

[Dekar289]

what you talkin bout koops
marth destroys fox
shanks him

 

[planetstereo]

Just spam spin-swing and win ok done.
m2k could do it...

 

[Technodeath]

Last time I checked M2K isn't human

 

[Zxv]

waveshining consistently is far toooooo hard.
also what is best to do after a upthrow on falcon? with fox.

I would generally upthrow -> up-smash at low percents
or upthrow -> n-air -> regrab

^this.

Link = even with Marth
Marth > Fox
therefore:
Link>Fox
kthx.

Logic is irrefutable.......

Marth loses to Fox.

The 2 match ups I seem to struggle with most (being a doc player) is Marth and Peach. Marth more because of his reach and annoying ability to be able to essentially just destroy my pill rushes, and Peach mainly because I can't really follow anything up. End up coping nairs to the face.

Any advice ladies and gents?

Drop Doc, pick up Mario and watch Scorpion Master for pro tips.

 

[Aussierob123]

Lol what to do to falcon after uthrow with fox. Practically anything really. Almost all of foxes attacks lead into more attacks on falcon.

The only way falcon can avoid a stupd combo is if he DI's The uthrow inwards. You might be able to hit him with a dash attack if he does that but otherwise just go crazy with utilts, usmashes, uairs and more uthrows, and Maybe a few dash attacks here and there.

 

[Sirias]

Iono... Marth beats Fox just as bad as Fox beats Marth.
Marth is just much safer and easier to use.

 

[Dekar289]

soooo much easier with marth

 

[tibs7]

If it's easier with marth, why do you guys say it's even? If one character has to work significantly harder, it's not even.

 

[Dekar289]

even at the top level of play
at our level marth dominates lol
i personally think marth has the advantage at top level standard anyway...

 

[Darkwing SykeDuk]

Dependent on stage and fox's tech skill it can be in fox's favor easily. Marth doesn't have to do as much to win so its an advantage straight off, but fox can still **** marth in the face. Lately Kas's fox and mine have been winning against each others marth's more often. My marth on his fox is probs 40-60 lately on all stages bar fd, and my fox is around 80-20 to his marth on all stages.

If both players are evenly matched then the marth will probably win, but if the fox has good tech then it could go either way.

 

[Dekar289]

If both players are evenly matched then the marth will probably win

hence advantage marth

like a lot of top tier matchups it usually comes down to who is the better player
which is good

 

[Darkwing SykeDuk]

I meant it more as if both players are matched AND the fox has average tech marth will win. It's hard to say who has the advantage due to the variables. Marth being easier to use and win with, but fox has the potential to really hammer marth.

 

[S.D]

Marth fox is generally considered the most even MU in game. Both can **** hard totally player dependant.

 

[Karp-0S]

Top tier is so very boring to watch.

Ness vs. Marth

Thats a fun match-up to play and watch. Lunch money match next tourney your at Syke.
Winner pays for the others lunch.

Lets keep in mind here the only other MM I've ever done was a marth ditto with XLR8. He received a Big Mac for his 3 stock.

 

[ComboTurtle]

Iono... Marth beats Fox just as bad as Fox beats Marth.
Marth is just much safer and easier to use.

qft this^ i think marth fox pal is like basically even but ntsc fox has it a bit on him imo

 

[tibs7]

I just don't understand, how can't it be in marths adv. if he's safer the whole match?
if a char can play safer than the other it's in there adv.

 

[xXArrowXx]

fox is so easy to edgeguard against @_@ so if he makes a mistake or is pressure to the edge...
marth is probably just abit harder to edgeguard against @_@ fair.
most even match up is a ditto =P

 

[Redact]

qft this^ i think marth fox pal is like basically even but ntsc fox has it a bit on him imo

this mans got it right

marth falling over from shine is a huge loss

also imo marth has the slight adv in aus due to our meta game being further behind and marth differences in pal (falling over)
yet in America fox has the slight adv due to their meta game and marth differences (slide off shine)

opinions opinions

 

[xXArrowXx]

maybe we are just ahead with our marths.... lol

 

[Darkwing SykeDuk]

Top tier is so very boring to watch.

Ness vs. Marth

Thats a fun match-up to play and watch. Lunch money match next tourney your at Syke.
Winner pays for the others lunch.

Lets keep in mind here the only other MM I've ever done was a marth ditto with XLR8. He received a Big Mac for his 3 stock.

I'll have a 500g t-bone kthx

 

[Karp-0S]

I'll have a 500g t-bone kthx

Its on!

(I'm assuming here) Considering the tier list is based on tourney results to a degree, would some of the bottom tier characters be a tad underplayed and looked at merely because they don't place in tourney's. I assume there aren't alot of say ness and luigi mains not only because they match up poorly to say some of the "better" characters, but because people really haven't put nearly as much time into the testing and playing of them compared to the higher tiers?

Feel free to correct me here, I'm merely trying to get a better grasp as to why people will disregard the opinion of people how play said characters.